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Not disagreeing but talent was lacking this year too No. I don't think we were a serious contender no matter what we do with our roster. I thought that my opinion on this was pretty clear

What viable alternatives. Thats BS. Top to bottom our roster got as far as it was going to. Just BS around here suggesting we were sitting on a winning roster. Knute Rockne or Bud Grant wouldn't have gotten this team anywhere. Now the mob will come for me saying I'm an MOS apologist. Nope..I think it's time we move on but I'm not going to say that based on some fictional narrative. The players that came off the bench last week and excelled just got to town with the exception of Bailey. They shouldn't is my point. At least not all of them

Next year likely sees a shake up in management/scouting and coordinators. Collaros will be back but Elgersma and another QB will be in town. New GM will have carte Blanche to tear down this abysmal roster and will be aggressive in FA. Probably seen the last of many vets. We haven't brought in much for IMPs since Rigmaiden left and the new scouts were not good either

Time to clean house. Management, coaching staff, and about half our players. I gave the benefit of the doubt but it is very clear what needs to be done. Everyone owns this fiasco and should be embarrassed. I can only hope for some kind of 2nd half miracle that makes me eat crow for this post. Doubt it.

Yea..those defences were fierce

I can get behind all of that. Biggie and Battle in their primes were both MODP players. Really splitting hairs as to who was better but I too like Battle.

Eugene went with a higher offer. My question to Booch was what players left and stated it was due to being unhappy being a Bomber.

T.Jones performed better than expected this year and didn't hurt us one bit. That being said, I'd love to get the next Adam Bighill. Lobendahn's demise was injury related. He was a beast when fully healthy. That can be said for about 90% of all MIKEs that have ever played in the CFL. We were spoiled with Biggie's ability to drop into coverage. That is not the norm.

Not true at all. I get your point on the make up of this roster but this is simply not true. We have not lost many people for any other reason than GM incompetence. We've heard time and time again how players wanted to stay but the phone never rang. Name this long list of players we wanted to keep but said no and back it up with something more than a I overheard this at the gym or trust me. I can show several media reports of interviews of high profile guys leaving because we wouldn't pay them so surely you can show some interviews straight from the players mouths, not yours, where they stated they were leaving no matter what. I'm not being a **** about this but again you are letting Walters off the hook when you insinuate that there is no way he could have signed some guys.

For sure. My son tells me that the Rum Hut is a great place to meet chicks or at the very least it has earned that reputation in his age group.

I don't know, none of us do really, whether we have better options but certainly if we have NATs that MIGHT be better we need to consider a hard look at them next year for sure. Even if next year is just a few reps a game unless they excel. I am 100% in favor of getting Shay some D playing time for sure. We drafted him for that reason and year 2 should see progression. I agree that TJ is low mileage, but age is age, it can drop a guy off a cliff no matter the situation. We need to be prepared just in case that happens.

I think the truth on T.Jones lies somewhere between wbb's and Pete's assessment. He had a good season, maybe even enough to be allstar, but he does have some deficiencies as well. I thought he played well enough for us. He wasn't Adam Bighill in his prime, but the teeth gnashing over him playing over J.Jones was a little over the top as well. The biggest problem I have with him this coming offseason is that he is getting up there in age.

The only new guys I've seen play that are worth a snot are Bailey, and Jenkins. The other guys are not any better than the guys ahead of them. Jenkins is brand new, so Bailey is really the only guy we can question legitimately as to why he never got playing time. Woods and Woodby have been good but not great. Who else you got? You say guys came in and made a difference but there are just as many that didn't. Dillon Mitchell, J. Jones, and others played their way off the team lickety split so we can't say that new guys being held back was our problem. It wasn't. Fact of the matter is that Walters whiffed badly this offseason. Very badly and if we are relying on rookies to come in and be all stars then we are in really bad shape because that just won't happen consistently for any team. Glad we got a couple guys that look like keepers but it is nonsense to suggest that the talent was there. It wasn't and isn't. I don't mind the criticism of MOS, but it is comical how people are hating so much that a GM who really screwed the pooch is getting benefit of the doubt because of this hate. The players underperformed , the GM underperformed, and the coaching underperformed....and here we are. I think that is probably the fairest assessment I've seen on this forum this year. The players didn't underperform because of MOS, the GM didn't underperform because of MOS, and MOS/coordinators didn't underperform because of the GM/players either. They all have to own their roles in this **** show. Pinning it all on MOS is really glossing over other deficiencies that we really need fixed.

Whatever reasons Walters has for failing to do his job are his choices. Whether that is giving MOS too much say or whatever he owns it 100%. He's the GM.

Don't get me wrong, it's pretty sad sack when it comes to venues but you gotta let the East have them too because they (whether we like it or not) are our league's only hope of survival.