SpeedFlex27 Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 North Korea says it is considering bombing Guam with missiles. The Chinese need to take the nutty little midget dictator with the bad hair out. (The North Korean one, not Trump). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Interesting because Manafort had been cooperating. Seems the argument was that investigators didn't trust him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardCoreBlue Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) 17 hours ago, johnzo said: I would never say never but I would be extremely surprised if Trump does time. With the way the Judicial process goes at times, he'll be at the pearly gates of heaven trying to get a deal done before any of that potentially happening. Edited August 9, 2017 by HardCoreBlue Adding a part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Manafort had previously said he'd testify in return for immunity. FBI turned that down cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) Edited August 10, 2017 by Jacquie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said: With the way the Judicial process goes at times, he'll be at the pearly gates of heaven trying to get a deal done before any of that potentially happening. I just checked, no American President has gone to jail. Most nations seem to have a sort of de facto immunity for former leaders. Not many instances of former leaders being jailed, anywhere. Idi Amin walked. to Saudi Arabia. Edited August 9, 2017 by Mark F too much SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 The interesting legal battle will be when Trump pardons himself. SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPuDS Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said: The interesting legal battle will be when Trump pardons himself. I believe they passed a bill or were passing a bill to avoid this from happening.. or I could have mis-read that.. so much chaff getting tossed into the media these days. Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 18 minutes ago, SPuDS said: I believe they passed a bill or were passing a bill to avoid this from happening.. or I could have mis-read that.. so much chaff getting tossed into the media these days. I think there was talk of it but hasnt happened. The backlash would be huge but I dont think Trump cares. As President he can pardon anyone he wants and I would expect him to do so for his friends, family & associates. Pardoning himself...that would be an interesting constitutional debate. He could avoid it by making a deal with Pence to advance him to president but that didnt work out very well in the past. Also, supposedly there are investigations going on in New York as well. The President can only pardon federal crimes, not state ones. SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 On 8/9/2017 at 10:15 AM, The Unknown Poster said: Interesting because Manafort had been cooperating. Seems the argument was that investigators didn't trust him. The fact that they presented a judge with some form of evidence, and obtained a search warrant to knock on Manafort's home - one day after his testimony, speaks volumes..... SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 Interesting comments from the lawyer for TRUMP not Manafort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 So Trump has finally read a prepared statement denouncing white supremacists. Now he needs to fire the ones working for him in the White House. The Unknown Poster and Wideleft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 16 hours ago, Jacquie said: So Trump has finally read a prepared statement denouncing white supremacists. Now he needs to fire the ones working for him in the White House. I've hesitated even bothering on this because serious discussions here have a way of going off the rails. But is there a greater or more timely example of Trump's ineptitude (or worse) than his reaction to what happened this past weekend? And of course, it highlights his own hypocrisy when he attacked Obama for not mentioning specific terror groups and he does the same thing solely to avoid angering his base. Incredibly irresponsible at best and a disgusting example of a racist piece of crap sitting in the oval office at worst. Even when he made "stronger" statements, he then tweets about how its was basically to respond to the "fake news". Even Fox was perplexed by his lack of denouncement. And to the losers who justify their bigotry as "we're not racists, we just believe in our own white culture", ummm, yeah, you're racists. And every one of those Confederate "hero" statues and flags should be pulled down. if the politicians wont do it, the people should rise up and do it (as they did yesterday). History is important and if I go to a museum I want to see and hear stories of the Civil War and learn about General Lee and others. But to hold them up as heroes of the south....ugh The CEO of Merck quits a Presidential council over this and is then attacked by Trump. If Merck was so bad, why was that perfectly fine UNTIL he quit? Two more CEO's follow suit and Trump doesnt say a word. What a disgrace. I sat in disbelief watching the news on Saturday. So shameful. Wideleft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 (edited) Bannon was advising Trump, earlier this week not to upset the "Base". Think Bannon really meant his own Alt-Right base. The Cheeto in Chief spent a good portion of the election campaign, playing up to the "disenfranchised" white folk, and giving the bigots and racists some fodder, in the form of the Birther Theory, the Wall, Travel Ban, etc. These moral, upstanding Republicans that go tisk tisk.... every time that Trump says or does something inappropriate, which is pretty well every day, really make me laugh. They knew that by hitching the wagon to Trump, you were also getting Bannon, Gorka, Miller and giving the Alt-Right credibility and a say in the agenda. But hey votes are votes. Edited August 16, 2017 by do or die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 After the presser today, how long can Trump last? Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 22 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: After the presser today, how long can Trump last? Wow. ImpeachTrump has been trending world-wide on twitter the last 8 hours lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Trump is a real tough hombre when talking about women, Muslims, Mexicans, former Presidents, Black Lives Matter, Gold Star families, Liberals, the people that work around him in his (supposed) political party and foreign leaders . Almost everybody. Well, except David Duke, Richard Spencer.......and Vladimir Putin. The mask slipped off tonight......in a angry, petulant and non-factual way.......in short, the way The Fugly American usually goes about things. My Dad served in the Royal Canadian Navy.....my uncle, served in the Royal Canadian Air Force - both fighting the Nazis, in WW2. Yup, those folks, that Donald Trump feels the need, to deflect from, make excuses for and provide fake moral equivalency for them. Disgraceful. During the election, I posted here that Trump was not qualified to be a dog catcher. In retrospect, probably should of been a bit harsher. bearpants and The Unknown Poster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) When I saw the news today I honestly didn't know it would be a big deal. Oh, the President is pussyfooting with actual blood-and-soil Nazis. Just another day in the USA. The USA has been so upside down that I had no idea where the red line for Republicans was. I wonder if the critical mass for a 25th Amendment removal is forming tonight. I don't think any move against Trump will come from Congress; the House GOP doesn't have the courage to defy the Trump voters. Things are so evenly balanced right now that a defection of just a few percent of the GOP voters would be disastrous for them. (Edit: A 25th Amendment removal of the President must be ratified by both houses, so Congress is involved in any case) Edited August 16, 2017 by johnzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 My wife says a cynical thing: there's a dead white girl at the heart of this tragedy. Dead white girls galvanize the USA like nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 The GOP leadership is completely complicit in all this.......looking the other way, holding their noses, making rationalizations and flat out excuses for this guy. And in the process, constantly eating his insults, like the moral cowards that they are. Trump is simply a tool they consciously used..... to get what they wanted (not that they have accomplished anything with it) This is the natural extension of the Republican version of enlarging the tent, the last couple of decades......by opening their arms to the Alt-Right, and many other forms of extremists, both religious and cultural ...... The spotlight is now squarely on the GOP - do they condone this, or not? No amount of "what the President really meant", "out of context", "has his own style" or any of that other BS will cut it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 I was at a dinner party on Saturday night and I am so reluctant, when discussing politics, to admit to being a conservative for fear of people immediately connecting that to Trump. He is a disgusting, vile, shameful human being...and that's an insult to all other human beings. Its beyond politics. This isnt idealogy. He's a bigoted, racist, clueless jerk. I agree @do or die, the entire GOP is complicit because they put winning ahead of whats right. They are so fearful of losing seats and power that they wont categorically condemn the "alt right" and everything it now stands for. True Americans would stand at their podiums and condemn those movements, condemn Trump and say "if you wont vote me now, that is your choice but if you support this crap, I dont want your vote". They desperately need to move, en mass, back towards the center. @johnzo- I too looked into the 25th because I agree that this HAS to be something talked about. You look at the body language of Chief of Staff Kelly, a friggen General, during Trump's rant. You look at the fact his staff immediately leaked that Trump went rogue. Where has his Jewish daughter and son in law been since this happened. I dont expect Ivanka to turn on her father but where is the red line for people who sort of go along for the ride. The problem is, the 25th is easy to invoke for the VP and cabinet, but the President can then send a letter to Congress disagreeing and then Congress must vote 2/3 of both houses to uphold the 25th. So even if you get the VP and Cabinet to do it, you have to know Congress will support it or Im afraid the Cabinet will be far too fearful of losing their jobs if Congress doesnt back them. But if they had any balls, they'd take that chance. But instead, they will probably all go along with impeachment when Mueller finishes and it will be over financial ****. Not the morally repugnant, divisive stuff that SHOULD be Trump's downfall. More than ever, yesterday, Trump lost the moral right to govern. He's finished. There is a Nazi in the White House. In 2017. Good God... Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Saw this in a CNN article and its a brilliant suggestion. Made even better if its a joint presser with all of them there: A tweet by presidential biographer David Maraniss went viral, perhaps because it tapped into wishful thinking by liberals. It said: "The living former presidents -- Bushes, Carter, Clinton & Obama -- should make a joint statement calling on the racist Trump to resign." SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardCoreBlue Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 35 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: Its beyond politics. My sentiments exactly. The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Checking out Fox News just makes me feel more and more marginalized as a conservative. They are becoming the unofficial communications wing of this White House, spinning the garbage to make it acceptable to the "right". http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/16/tucker-carlson-if-want-to-erase-past-must-prepare-for-consequences.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: Checking out Fox News just makes me feel more and more marginalized as a conservative. They are becoming the unofficial communications wing of this White House, spinning the garbage to make it acceptable to the "right". http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/16/tucker-carlson-if-want-to-erase-past-must-prepare-for-consequences.html Don't go to Brietbart, then...... Ps - this Alt-Left stuff was basically cooked up, some time ago.... by Hanninty, on Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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