The Unknown Poster Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Darling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearpants Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 On 3/18/2017 at 10:28 PM, The Unknown Poster said: Darling. Yes, dear? IC Khari 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 On 3/18/2017 at 10:28 PM, The Unknown Poster said: Darling. Might need to set our sights a little lower than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 Just now, Atomic said: Might need to set our sights a little lower than that. Yeah probably. Its interesting because Lawless was pushing the name...I cant remember now, Condon? His feeling was they wanted a veteran back-up who might push Helle a bit. But now he's full on they need a starting goalie and suggesting they go after Fleury. Darling is interesting because he will want a shot at #1 which he'd get here but he will also want some term. You're not going to give him term and cash without him having proven himself. But a 3 year deal is doable I think. Rick Ralph rattled off the names of teams likely looking for goalie help and there seems to be far more goalies then teams in need so we should get a decent one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrg Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 4 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: Darling is interesting because he will want a shot at #1 which he'd get here but he will also want some term. You're not going to give him term and cash without him having proven himself. But a 3 year deal is doable I think. Darling is 18-5-2 this year with a 2.12 gaa and .931 sv%. He's played over 1500 minutes this season and over 1500 minutes last season. He's 3-1 in playoff starts and has the 4th best playoff sv% of any goalie who has seen more than 10 shots. I doubt the Jets would give him cash and term, but I won't be surprised if someone does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) Edited March 21, 2017 by The Unknown Poster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IC Khari Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 6 hours ago, bearpants said: Yes, dear? bearpants and FrostyWinnipeg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 22 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: But now he's full on they need a starting goalie and suggesting they go after Fleury. Here's my problem with Fleury... How do you get him? If you get past the major roadblock of his no trade clause, allowing a trade to Winnipeg, you still have a major hurdle - the expansion draft. The Penguins will want to move him before the expansion draft, so they can protect Murray. Well, the Jets can't trade for Fleury then leave him unprotected, can they? The only way a Fleury trade works, is if you give Vegas something to not pick Fleury. What's that going to cost you? On top of the cost to get Fleury in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Pens trade first round pick to Vegas to get them not to take Murray, Jets trade first round pick to Pens for Fleury, post-expansion draft. Everybody wins. Except Fleury would never waive his NMC to come to Winnipeg so it's all pretty irrelevant. The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Yeah I think what Atomic said. Pens would have to deal with their goalie issue as it relates to expansion. Because trading for Fleury creates that issue for many teams. I think Pens get better offers after the expansion draft. The goalie market will be interesting. It seems like more goalies than teams that need them, So Fleury might have to be open to something. Ideally he goes to a city that is awesome with a team that can win now. But if his options are limited, he might see the Jets as a place he can be the starter, influence the younger goalies and potentially win. He might see some similarities between the Jets and the Pens when he got there. Plus, he plays in Pittsburgh so its not Winnipeg is going to be a shitty place to live next to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 I'm not trading a first rounder for Fleury. That would be crazy. Maybe Fleury from 5-6 years ago. 2nd rounder at most. bearpants and bb1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 3 hours ago, Atomic said: Pens trade first round pick to Vegas to get them not to take Murray, Jets trade first round pick to Pens for Fleury, post-expansion draft. Everybody wins. Except Fleury would never waive his NMC to come to Winnipeg so it's all pretty irrelevant. Pit does not have to give Vegas a pick. They can trade Fleury before the exp draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Just to be clear... The Jets won't shell out cash for UFA Darling but instead they're going to give up an asset for Fleury and his $5.7 million salary... brilliant. JCon and bb1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: Pit does not have to give Vegas a pick. They can trade Fleury before the exp draft. IF they can find a buyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Just now, JCon said: IF they can find a buyer. COL needs one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: COL needs one. And spend over $12M a year on goaltending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 2 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: Pit does not have to give Vegas a pick. They can trade Fleury before the exp draft. I know that, obviously. The question was how Winnipeg could acquire Fleury and avoid losing both he and Hellebuyck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Floyd said: Just to be clear... The Jets won't shell out cash for UFA Darling but instead they're going to give up an asset for Fleury and his $5.7 million salary... brilliant. Oh did Chevy say that's what they're doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Just now, Atomic said: I know that, obviously. The question was how Winnipeg could acquire Fleury and avoid losing both he and Hellebuyck. Vegas is picking 3 goalies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Just now, FrostyWinnipeg said: Vegas is picking 3 goalies? Holy **** are you being intentionally stupid? Obviously I don't mean Vegas would take both, I mean Winnipeg gets to keep both, i.e. they don't lose either one to Vegas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 31 minutes ago, Atomic said: Oh did Chevy say that's what they're doing? No, just Lawless and then you suggested trading a 1st round pick for him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, Floyd said: No, just Lawless and then you suggested trading a 1st round pick for him... It was just an example. Basically, Pens trade an asset to keep Murray from Vegas and we trade the equivalent asset to the Pens to acquire Fleury. However it was your assertion that the Jets aren't willing to pay for Darling that really wound my crank. If you think that DOLLARS are the primary reason why UFA's avoid Winnipeg, then I don't think you've been paying attention....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Atomic said: It was just an example. Basically, Pens trade an asset to keep Murray from Vegas and we trade the equivalent asset to the Pens to acquire Fleury. However it was your assertion that the Jets aren't willing to pay for Darling that really wound my crank. If you think that DOLLARS are the primary reason why UFA's avoid Winnipeg, then I don't think you've been paying attention....... Actually I was just summing up the conversation in this thread... Not sure why you're so down on Winnipeg - if Chevy actually made a real push in free agency, Winnipeg could sign Darling for a slight overpayment. Not a huge market for starting goalies this year imo. If there was one goalie to try and sign, its Raanta anyway. But Darling would be great. Setting the sights on Condon or Budaj is treading water imo... those goalies will quickly become 'mortal' in a Maurice defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Floyd said: Actually I was just summing up the conversation in this thread... Not sure why you're so down on Winnipeg - if Chevy actually made a real push in free agency, Winnipeg could sign Darling for a slight overpayment. Not a huge market for starting goalies this year imo. If there was one goalie to try and sign, its Raanta anyway. But Darling would be great. Setting the sights on Condon or Budaj is treading water imo... those goalies will quickly become 'mortal' in a Maurice defence. I'm not down on Winnipeg, I love Winnipeg. I think you underestimate the negative reputation this city has, however. "Winnipeg could sign Darling for a slight overpayment".... based on what, exactly? Seems like wishful thinking to me. Condon might end up being the guy we go for, and I think he'd be a good target. Budaj.... that's not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 The idea that players hate certain cities is a myth I think. Winning is the most important thing. Being treated well and being paid are probably up there too. Teams that win will have success signing players (like Edmonton). But if all things are equal there plenty of teams that get beat by other teams for a variety of reasons. Getting into bidding wars isnt wise anyway. We've signed free agent players, not the elite who have 20+ teams making offers. But we've signed them. And we've re-signed star players who could go to UFA and go anywhere. JCon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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