Judd Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 10 minutes ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said: Sorry, I should have said I think Frederick was better than Fogg in coverage. Fogg made a lot of tackles but he also got burned quite often on coverage. +1 Fogg had some monster plays, but he also regularly got burned and was in chase mode a lot Zontar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Same can be said for Frederick tho. Fogg can also return kicks and punts. Frederick was good but he got beat quite often also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxon Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 I'm surprised by Frederick being in the first round of cuts. It's not likely that any of these would get a P.R. spot as there are more cuts to be made after this week's game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Jaxon said: I'm surprised by Frederick being in the first round of cuts. It's not likely that any of these would get a P.R. spot as there are more cuts to be made after this week's game. Ya. Hes really the only actual surprise to me. Apodaca also but not really because basically i dont think cutting a 4th string qb is as surprising as cutting a starting DB. With that said, the one position the bombers have no problem finding guys is DB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Goalie said: Ya. Hes really the only actual surprise to me. Apodaca also but not really because basically i dont think cutting a 4th string qb is as surprising as cutting a starting DB. With that said, the one position the bombers have no problem finding guys is DB. Yes, we seem to bring in a new db every year who replaces the previous year's great find. They must like what they see in one of the new guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Marshall said: Yes, we seem to bring in a new db every year who replaces the previous year's great find. They must like what they see in one of the new guys. A few have apparently stood out. Porter keeps getting mentioned by Tait as does a couple others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBlue Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 On TSN last night interviewing 3 GMs Walters said he & MOS frequently have sharp disagreements that takes stuff to repair ... MOS seems very narrow minded tunnel visioned to me .... if you are not next up to bat in his mind you are excluded from his plans .... see Bryan Bennett & U of M QB Yantz a couple years back ... many promises were made to Yantz but he never got to play a single down (and like Apodaca he had the best arm in camp) ... he was better than some of the Cdn QBs we see around the CFL this year. Both Yantz and Apodaca were never given a chance and MOS never planned to give them a chance .... this is a major character flaw with MOS Floyd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickthesizz Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) we have a lot of dbs in camp, there are a few flying under the radar. They likely know all they need to about Frederick. Edited June 12, 2017 by Gotmilt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, BigBlue said: On TSN last night interviewing 3 GMs Walters said he & MOS frequently have sharp disagreements that takes stuff to repair ... MOS seems very narrow minded tunnel visioned to me .... if you are not next up to bat in his mind you are excluded from his plans .... see Bryan Bennett & U of M QB Yantz a couple years back ... many promises were made to Yantz but he never got to play a single down (and like Apodaca he had the best arm in camp) ... he was better than some of the Cdn QBs we see around the CFL this year. Both Yantz and Apodaca were never given a chance and MOS never planned to give them a chance .... this is a major character flaw with MOS You are making a few leaps here. Walters never said what they disagree about, unless you have some other source, everything you have here is conjecture on what MOS is thinking and what they debate. He never said it "takes stuff to repair" either. What I heard is ... they have their discussion / disagreement, a decision is made, and once done, they move on. Seems more like healthy debate to me. Dr. Blue, Nickthesizz, Judd and 14 others 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickthesizz Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, BigBlue said: On TSN last night interviewing 3 GMs Walters said he & MOS frequently have sharp disagreements that takes stuff to repair ... MOS seems very narrow minded tunnel visioned to me .... if you are not next up to bat in his mind you are excluded from his plans .... see Bryan Bennett & U of M QB Yantz a couple years back ... many promises were made to Yantz but he never got to play a single down (and like Apodaca he had the best arm in camp) ... he was better than some of the Cdn QBs we see around the CFL this year. Both Yantz and Apodaca were never given a chance and MOS never planned to give them a chance .... this is a major character flaw with MOS These are major accusations coming from a guy who probably never even watched one TC practice and did't watch the game. yogi, bigg jay, Noeller and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, BigBlue said: On TSN last night interviewing 3 GMs Walters said he & MOS frequently have sharp disagreements that takes stuff to repair ... MOS seems very narrow minded tunnel visioned to me .... if you are not next up to bat in his mind you are excluded from his plans .... see Bryan Bennett & U of M QB Yantz a couple years back ... many promises were made to Yantz but he never got to play a single down (and like Apodaca he had the best arm in camp) ... he was better than some of the Cdn QBs we see around the CFL this year. Both Yantz and Apodaca were never given a chance and MOS never planned to give them a chance .... this is a major character flaw with MOS That's a very bizarre interpretation of what he actually said. SPuDS, The Classic, blue_gold_84 and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Mike said: That's a very bizarre interpretation of what he actually said. It's more reflective of trying to fit whatever is said into the anti-MOS rant. Fred C Dobbs, Noeller, The Classic and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBlue Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, Rich said: You are making a few leaps here. Walters never said what they disagree about, unless you have some other source, everything you have here is conjecture on what MOS is thinking and what they debate. He never said it "takes stuff to repair" either. What I heard is ... they have their discussion / disagreement, a decision is made, and once done, they move on. Seems more like healthy debate to me. Not a quote but a fact of relationships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearpants Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, BigBlue said: Not a quote but a fact of relationships Are your legs ok?... I'm a little concerned about all these massive leaps you're taking... Edited June 12, 2017 by bearpants made a massive grammar faux pas... I'm ashamed of myself JCon, The Classic, Nickthesizz and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Still never understood the Yantz thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBlue Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, Mike said: That's a very bizarre interpretation of what he actually said. not really ... we all heard the same thing .... MOS in the least lacks certain things and we have seen the fruit of them in his stupid personnel decisions and misguided loyalties ..... MOS maybe a good leader but he can be severely off base and he is not one to be making subtle "adjustments" ... we have seen the flaws in coaching personnel decisions and in player selection sticking with old horses far too long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearpants Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Just now, Floyd said: Still never understood the Yantz thing... I ,too, always hoped Yantz would get a shot to make a CFL roster... but it's not like anyone else has signed him since his time here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBlue Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, bearpants said: Are your legs ok?... I'm a little concerned about all these massive leaps your taking... legs are working perfectly .... work in a leadership spot for a while and see what "sharp disagreements" accumulate to and what impact they have on a relationship ... the little things add up to big time eventually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, BigBlue said: not really ... we all heard the same thing .... MOS in the least lacks certain things and we have seen the fruit of them in his stupid personnel decisions and misguided loyalties ..... MOS maybe a good leader but he can be severely off base and he is not one to be making subtle "adjustments" ... we have seen the flaws in coaching personnel decisions and in player selection sticking with old horses far too long No. We didn't. I heard nothing even remotely close to what you're suggesting. The Classic, blue_gold_84 and SPuDS 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBlue Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 1 minute ago, bearpants said: I ,too, always hoped Yantz would get a shot to make a CFL roster... but it's not like anyone else has signed him since his time here... After his treatment in Winnipeg he became both disgusted and disillusioned .... hung up his cleats to become an electrician Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBlue Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Mike said: No. We didn't. I heard nothing even remotely close to what you're suggesting. Mike there is times when you are thicker than a 2 by 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearpants Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, BigBlue said: legs are working perfectly .... work in a leadership spot for a while and see what "sharp disagreements" accumulate to and what impact they have on a relationship ... the little things add up to big time eventually I don't doubt your personal acumen... but unless you've actually been in the room with Walters and O'Shea, you have no idea if their "arguments" are actually head-butting or healthy debates... based on everything else we've heard, I would guess they are having healthy debates about every single player that comes through town... which is what I want from a GM and HC... The Classic, Bigblue204, Noeller and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Just now, bearpants said: I ,too, always hoped Yantz would get a shot to make a CFL roster... but it's not like anyone else has signed him since his time here... True - but I'm not really a fan of the 'no one else signed him' argument... I just could never understand that complete lack of snaps - I think Brohm and Marve were the other guys in camp... Very fair to start questioning our QB scouting abilities bearpants 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nash00 Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Just now, bearpants said: I don't doubt your personal acumen... but unless you've actually been in the room with Walters and O'Shea, you have no idea if their "arguments" are actually head-butting or healthy debates... based on everything else we've heard, I would guess they are having healthy debates about every single player that comes through town... which is what I want from a GM and HC... I would be concerned if they didn't. We don't need yes-men or cow-towing to the brass in this organization anymore. Like Rich said above, debate, decide, move on. Rinse repeat. The Classic and bearpants 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, BigBlue said: Mike there is times when you are thicker than a 2 by 4 2x6? Nash00, bearpants, SPuDS and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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