Jimmy Pop Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 I'll stick up for Wpg 'til I'm blue in the face, but @Atomic is bang on here. We're a pretty damn great city, if you enjoyed enough time here. That doesn't translate to being a top NHL destination in a league with some of North America's finest cities, and a few of the world's. I can see it gradually change over time. We develop into a franchise like Detroit was 20 yrs ago that competes for titles every year. Maybe we become one of the NHL's top 20 or 25 desirable markets. I do think some players, vets in particular, do gravitate to winning, the organization as a whole, and some probably even research the city a little. So, sure there's guys out there that would rather play and make a living in Wpg over Detroit, or Ottawa or Edmonton. Maybe the arena situation with the Isles scares players away. Still.... vast majority will choose the bigger city, with more to offer. And hell, lower taxes in the states cannot hurt those teams. KBF brings up a great point though. To succeed managing a franchise like Wpg you need to be smart with drafting, tread carefully with free agency, just be more patient in general. All areas that Wpg has been excelling at. When the NEW YORK frickin' Rangers issue a letter to fans bracing them for a tear down / rebuild, you know the city alone doesn't define the team. Maybe the most important of all in this... who the heck cares who wants to come here and who doesn't? We've been a top 5 team mostly all year, and one of the youngest. The CBA, at least until we're locked out again, favours small markets more than ever before. Players like Trouba will come and likely go, but we're in year 7 and him, Kane and maybe Bogosian are the only ones I can think of who've wanted out. Scheifele will lead these young guns Laine, Ehlers, Morrissey and Hellebuyck for many years to come. rebusrankin, blue_gold_84 and kelownabomberfan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Not sure if crazy, made-up fan stuff or what, but heard today that maybe the Jets are in on Karlsson for a package including Trouba, Hutchinson and Copp........gotta think it's going to take a LOT more than that to get it done... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iHeart Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 has Vegas made any trades? or are they not going to bother considering that they had been busing moving people around and stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Pop Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Noeller said: Not sure if crazy, made-up fan stuff or what, but heard today that maybe the Jets are in on Karlsson for a package including Trouba, Hutchinson and Copp........gotta think it's going to take a LOT more than that to get it done... Dreger saying on TSN1200 in OTT he thinks it’s 50/50 EK is dealt by Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Jimmy Pop said: I'll stick up for Wpg 'til I'm blue in the face, but @Atomic is bang on here. We're a pretty damn great city, if you enjoyed enough time here. That doesn't translate to being a top NHL destination in a league with some of North America's finest cities, and a few of the world's. I can see it gradually change over time. We develop into a franchise like Detroit was 20 yrs ago that competes for titles every year. Maybe we become one of the NHL's top 20 or 25 desirable markets. I do think some players, vets in particular, do gravitate to winning, the organization as a whole, and some probably even research the city a little. So, sure there's guys out there that would rather play and make a living in Wpg over Detroit, or Ottawa or Edmonton. Maybe the arena situation with the Isles scares players away. Still.... vast majority will choose the bigger city, with more to offer. And hell, lower taxes in the states cannot hurt those teams. KBF brings up a great point though. To succeed managing a franchise like Wpg you need to be smart with drafting, tread carefully with free agency, just be more patient in general. All areas that Wpg has been excelling at. When the NEW YORK frickin' Rangers issue a letter to fans bracing them for a tear down / rebuild, you know the city alone doesn't define the team. Maybe the most important of all in this... who the heck cares who wants to come here and who doesn't? We've been a top 5 team mostly all year, and one of the youngest. The CBA, at least until we're locked out again, favours small markets more than ever before. Players like Trouba will come and likely go, but we're in year 7 and him, Kane and maybe Bogosian are the only ones I can think of who've wanted out. Scheifele will lead these young guns Laine, Ehlers, Morrissey and Hellebuyck for many years to come. Yes!! Exactly. It doesn't mean we can't have a great team. It just has to be built a certain way. Chevy faces challenges other GMs don't and to be honest I think he has done a fantastic job. It's hard to argue with the results. Draft and develop, win trades, and be selective in free agency. It's working. **** the players who don't want to come here. And there are a lot of em. Brandon Blue&Gold, kelownabomberfan and blue_gold_84 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Noeller said: Not sure if crazy, made-up fan stuff or what, but heard today that maybe the Jets are in on Karlsson for a package including Trouba, Hutchinson and Copp........gotta think it's going to take a LOT more than that to get it done... Thats a lot for a UFA in '19. How bout Myers or Trouba for Karlsson? Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iHeart Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 oh my gosh I hope everyone's okay https://www.tsn.ca/sens-bus-involved-in-minor-accident-1.1006794 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: Thats a lot for a UFA in '19. How bout Myers or Trouba for Karlsson? they're saying it's going to take 6 pieces to get Karlsson in return or else you have to take on Bobby Ryan's contract.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Played so well he got traded. The #Coyotes have acquired G Darcy Kuemper from the #LAKings for F Tobias Rieder and G Scott Wedgewood. Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Atomic said: It's only overblown if you think "no one" literally means "no one". Like I said, players who have played here know it's not so bad. I never thought we'd have much trouble re-signing players. But attracting free agents and trade targets remains a challenge for Winnipeg more than any other market. There is no other way to look at it. Sorry but you're just being silly if you think anyone who hasn't lived here thinks this is a desirable place to go. We hear it again and again. Players don't want to come here. We're the most-cited city on no-trade lists. We've never signed a top free agent. We get day 3 free agents and reclamation projects. Why deny it? It's obvious. So you agree with me. Because that’s what I said was overblown and you began debating as if I said something else. Jets have signed some free agents. Others they have not. Other teams have the same issue. It’s obvious. Yeesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Noeller said: they're saying it's going to take 6 pieces to get Karlsson in return or else you have to take on Bobby Ryan's contract.... Jets also have that first round pick they are willing to part with. EK would be a great pick up! Rumour has it Edmonton is interested too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: Jets also have that first round pick they are willing to part with. EK would be a great pick up! Rumour has it Edmonton is interested too I can see EDM dumping but not picking EK up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Not sure what the Oilers have to give up other than Klefbom... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 59 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: So you agree with me. Because that’s what I said was overblown and you began debating as if I said something else. Jets have signed some free agents. Others they have not. Other teams have the same issue. It’s obvious. Yeesh You're coming off extremely obnoxious here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Atomic said: You're coming off extremely obnoxious here Not remotely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 7 hours ago, Atomic said: An entertainment-free, cultureless, crime-ridden, tundra bound wasteland. I prefer "pee-pee soaked heck-hole". Brandon Blue&Gold and blue_gold_84 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 8 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: Not remotely. Keep digging! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Pop Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 11 hours ago, Noeller said: Not sure what the Oilers have to give up other than Klefbom... Oilers would have 3 guys making over $30M total. Not much left for the rest of the roster... Theoretically the Jets could make OTT a sweet package centering around Trouba, but I doubt he'd (read: his family) want to be in Ottawa any more than Wpg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Pop Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 9 hours ago, kelownabomberfan said: I prefer "pee-pee soaked heck-hole". "We were born here. What's your excuse?" kelownabomberfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Atomic said: Keep digging! lol the "last word" thing is silly. Speaking of which, Dregger on 1290 explaining that top players are willing to waive no trades to come to Winnipeg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 11 hours ago, Noeller said: Not sure what the Oilers have to give up other than Klefbom... First overall pick in the 2018 draft? FrostyWinnipeg, Noeller and The Unknown Poster 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Interesting discussion this morning about Kane and how his stock has fallen lately. He could be the steal of the deadline...or the bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bb1 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 10 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: Not remotely. I would not worry too much when Atomic overreacted, its kind of his natural reply..? The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 The butthurt brigade all wiping their tears together! blue_gold_84 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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