Floyd Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 The annual off-season 'importance of our short yardage quarterack' debate...!!! ALuCsRED 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, mbrg said: I strongly disliked the decision the Bombers made with Davis after Nichols got injured. Davis came in and was mostly ineffective. 7 out of 12 for 82 yards. No TDs. No ints. He had a few good throws, a few bad throws, and a few terrible drops from his receivers (Dressler and Coates going purely off memory). He looked hesitant in his reads and didn't trust what he was seeing. I'd give his performance a D. Then LeFevour comes in and puts up a F--. Completely shits the bed. 5 out of 12 for 42 yards, no drops that I can recall, and two ugly interceptions. There were 3 different points in that game where he deserved to be taken out and have Davis put back in, but the douchey fans who chanted for LeFevour when Davis was in weren't ready to acknowledge they were morons and chant for Davis to get his job back. Okay, fine. That was a suspect in-game decision that didn't pay off. The young QB came off the bench cold and couldn't get any kind of rhythm going, so you went to the vet who has had success improvising and going off-script. It completely backfired. Now you have a full week to prepare for the next game. Instead of giving Davis first team reps in practise, the thing that could have helped him familiarize himself with the both the first team receivers and his reads, they doubled down on the bed-shitter. Why? I don't know. He **** the bed again, thankfully our defence brought a big enough mop and bucket to salvage a win. Maybe Davis does no better in Calgary than LeFevour. We'll never know. But that should have been his make or break opportunity, and it was a terrible decision to not give him that. Why even bother having him on the roster all season? Give him one lousy week of starter reps to work with and judge his performance based on that. Justin Goltz got a significantly better opportunity than Davis. I don't know if he'll be back this season, but Davis losing his backup job last season to LeFevour based on what both QB's did in the BC game makes about as much sense as Giselle Brady losing a swimsuit modeling cover to me because she has a pimple. As for LeFevour and QB sneaks, while a QB sneak "should be automatic", it isn't. LeFevour is the best at it I've ever seen. He wasn't close to being stopped last year, and on several occasions looked like he could break those into TD runs. Credit where credit is due, he is fantastic at those. If we had a NFL size gameday roster, tagging him as a RB and keeping him as a short yardage specialist might be justifiable. Probably not in the CFL though. I agree with what you say. I think the decision to elevate LeFevour to starter for the Stamps game tells you the lack of confidence the coaches had in Davis after the crappy game he played coming in for Nichols after he got hurt. That he isn't the future. That they have to bring in a new developmental qb in his place. As good as LeFevour is running short yardage that shouldn't be enough to keep him on the roster as our #2 going into the 2018 season. If he's our #2... or if it's status quo with the same guys backing up Nichols we are in big trouble. The way they both played when Nichols was out was 2013 cringe worthy. Brought back a lot of bad memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Ricky Santos was the king of short yardage. Floyd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 36 minutes ago, WBBFanWest said: Or third option: they could always bring in someone else. Quinton Flowers is likely getting an NFL look this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, rebusrankin said: Quinton Flowers is likely getting an NFL look this season. Don't go on Wolverton Mountain... Fatty Liver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrg Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, sweep the leg said: Ricky Santos was the king of short yardage. Jean Van De Velde - great moments in short yardage. Floyd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPuDS Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 hour ago, 17to85 said: when was the last time a guy actually got hurt running a sneak? I wouldn't worry about anyone getting hurt doing that. More likely to get hurt standing in the pocket than doing the short yardage stuff. it wouldn't be the fact that he might get hurt, to me anyway, it would be the fact that he knows hes brittle and puny and would hold back when you gotta go balls to the wall to get those yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickem Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, mbrg said: Then LeFevour comes in and puts up a F--. Completely shits the bed. 5 out of 12 for 42 yards, no drops that I can recall, and two ugly interceptions. Instead of giving Davis first team reps in practise, the thing that could have helped him familiarize himself with the both the first team receivers and his reads, they doubled down on the bed-shitter. Why? I don't know. He **** the bed again, thankfully our defence brought a big enough mop and bucket to salvage a win. 'They doubled down on the bed shitter'...Choked on my coffee when I read that line....Can I have it?..I have to agree with your take but what really bothers me is the decision process and who is making them...Davis is anointed no 2 ...then they pull the rug (deserved) but why did we wait so long to find out our no 2 was just that...no 2 crap ...I'm sure we knew that LeFevour had the arm strength of a Los Vegas card dealer and then we find out that Davis has been foolin us for 3 years...We can't pretend to be legit contenders, hanging on to pretenders...example the tub king Addison Richards... Carmichael and Hurl...We need people at the helm who can deliver, and especially when it comes to judging talent...I have some serious concerns about who is making the decisions and the reason for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 23 minutes ago, sweep the leg said: Ricky Santos was the king of short yardage. Ricky was a great QB prospect and I wish we had kept him in 2010. He deserved a chance. Instead we cut him and traded for Alex Brink. Bah! SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPuDS Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Just now, Atomic said: Ricky was a great QB prospect and I wish we had kept him in 2010. He deserved a chance. Instead we cut him and traded for Alex Brink. Bah! I recall thinking the same thing. always wondered why Santos didn't get more of a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 6 hours ago, Goalie said: Glenn will be hella old by the time Halifax gets a team. Thats years... Years .. Years away 2070 - 90 year old Kevin Glenn signs on to the Halifax Mooseheads for one day to retire as a Moosehead.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALuCsRED Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 42 minutes ago, Floyd said: The annual off-season 'importance of our short yardage quarterack' debate...!!! Give Goltz a Snickers bar and see who he turns in to. Joe Montana? Dan Marino? Brett Favre? Floyd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 On 1/3/2018 at 1:37 PM, Rich said: Buck's wife is also from Winnipeg. I'm sure the home town discount as well as wanting to remain in a more stable organization played into the decision. He has spent 2 years as the running backs coach and now 2 years as the QB coach. How long does someone need as a positional coach before they are ready? Isn't she a dentist or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALuCsRED Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 As for Glenn or Durant for backup, I'd like Durant. 1. It'd be nice to see him in Blue and Gold, coming in with a huge lead in the 4th and throwing a TD pass to Dressler in the Labour Day Classic. 2. Glenn needs to sign with Edmonton. Both QBs are familiar with LaPolice's offense, our receivers, and both are quite knowledgable QBs for development of young guys and sideline help for Nichols. Either would be great backups. Additionally, I'd keep Davis and keep developing him. Short yardage job should be his to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 27 minutes ago, Floyd said: Don't go on Wolverton Mountain... heard the Bears and the Birds are telling him to try out. And if there are any strangers on the Mountain. Floyd and Tracker 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 27 minutes ago, ALuCsRED said: As for Glenn or Durant for backup, I'd like Durant. 1. It'd be nice to see him in Blue and Gold, coming in with a huge lead in the 4th and throwing a TD pass to Dressler in the Labour Day Classic. 2. Glenn needs to sign with Edmonton. Both QBs are familiar with LaPolice's offense, our receivers, and both are quite knowledgable QBs for development of young guys and sideline help for Nichols. Either would be great backups. Additionally, I'd keep Davis and keep developing him. Short yardage job should be his to lose. I would prefer Glenn. I think Durant may be done and I don't care that much about Glenn playing for every team in the league. Plus the eff-you factor would still be there for Glenn, as much as it would be for Durant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBBFanWest Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, JCon said: I would prefer Glenn. I think Durant may be done and I don't care that much about Glenn playing for every team in the league. Plus the eff-you factor would still be there for Glenn, as much as it would be for Durant. With Glenn, there would certainly be an eff-you factor. Usually to the fans after he's thrown a pick-six SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPuDS Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 21 minutes ago, JCon said: I would prefer Glenn. I think Durant may be done and I don't care that much about Glenn playing for every team in the league. Plus the eff-you factor would still be there for Glenn, as much as it would be for Durant. I would take Durrant over Glenn simply because Durrant is bigger and personally I believe he offers more at this point in their careers.. plus I realllllllllllllly dislike Glenn as a QB.. and I don't know why. is it his size? it is his horrid way of throwing back breaking pics? is it that he let some shmuck break his arm and cost us a GC? I think its all of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 8 hours ago, WBBFanWest said: Seeing the words "Glenn" and "GC run" for some reason remind me of the phrase "military intelligence". Or " feminine logic". ( I hope the wife doesn't see this) SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 There is every reason to believe that neither Davis nor LeFevour are worth keeping. If we need a short-yardage threat, why can't one of our fullbacks learn to take a snap and plough straight ahead or make a cut off-tackle? DR. CFL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPuDS Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Just now, tracker said: There is every reason to believe that neither Davis nor LeFevour are worth keeping. If we need a short-yardage threat, why can't one of our fullbacks learn to take a snap and plough straight ahead or make a cut off-tackle? if it was really that simple, don't you think every team would do it? A QB has the better hands, the better knowledge of where the gaps should be, SHOULD be able to find said gaps quicker then a FB/RB AND has the option to pull it down and make a throw. a QB is a requirement to be a short yardage guy unless you devote waaaaay too much time to convert a RB /FB into said short yardage guy. then you are also employing "dead weight" for kind of no reason as well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 hours ago, SPuDS said: if it was really that simple, don't you think every team would do it? A QB has the better hands, the better knowledge of where the gaps should be, SHOULD be able to find said gaps quicker then a FB/RB AND has the option to pull it down and make a throw. a QB is a requirement to be a short yardage guy unless you devote waaaaay too much time to convert a RB /FB into said short yardage guy. then you are also employing "dead weight" for kind of no reason as well.. By no means am I well versed in football skills, but it seems to me that the same ability to take a handoff cleanly would be almost identical to taking a snap from center. Moreover, if a running back cannot read blocking off a snap, how the heck could he read blocking well enough to stay employed as an RB, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrg Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, tracker said: By no means am I well versed in football skills, but it seems to me that the same ability to take a handoff cleanly would be almost identical to taking a snap from center. Moreover, if a running back cannot read blocking off a snap, how the heck could he read blocking well enough to stay employed as an RB, period. 4 out of 5 times that would likely be the case. And 1 out of 5 times, a fumble. It's similar, but it's not the same. Kind of like having Bond line up to lead block at fullback because he's heavier. It might work sometimes, but the flaws will eventually be exposed. SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrg Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 35 minutes ago, tracker said: There is every reason to believe that neither Davis nor LeFevour are worth keeping. If we need a short-yardage threat, why can't one of our fullbacks learn to take a snap and plough straight ahead or make a cut off-tackle? And neither of these guys will be kept because they are a short-yardage threat. There is no such thing as a short-yardage threat. To not acknowledge how good LeFevour is at it is to be deliberately obtuse. He makes it look easy, and it isn't easy. It's also not enough of a reason to keep him on the roster. Spell-check does not appreciate your old-timey spelling of plough, but I do. SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR. CFL Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 Not sure the issue here is about anyone’s short yardage ability, this truly is about having a viable back up QB. SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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