Ducky Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 The first five on the list of 2016 RFAs are the ones I want to discuss. Trouba Scheifele Lowry Hutchinson Armia Cormier Lipon Kichton Brassard MacWilliam Melchiori Trouba is the most important player to get re-signed. Barring a tragic year, he should forego the bridge contract and go straight to 6m per for 8 years. I would do 5.25m per for 8 years if he re-signed today. Scheifele, if his development continues on pace, today is worth about 3.2m a year and should get 3.8m after this season. Lowry, if his development continues on pace, should get 2.5 on a bridge contract and if he re-signed today, about 2.3. If Hutch has a similar or bit better season than last year, he should get about 1.6m per. Armia's next contract depends a LOT on this year. If he cracks the lineup and puts up 25-30 points on the 3rd line, I would offer him 1.75m per. Most of the rest of the list REALLY depends on how they play this year and management's plans for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 TROUBA = 7 X 5.5 MILLION SCHEIF = 8 X 4.5 MILLION HUTCH = Dunno. Depends on his year big time. LOWRY = Bridge deal. So 2 x 2.5 ARMIA = Dunno. No comment. Need to see him play first. If does nothing this year I'd give him a 2 way 1 year deal. The rest besides Cormier MacWilliam and Melchiori will get AHL deals. Those 3 tho, well it's time to **** or get off the pot really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted August 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Why only 7 years for Trouba? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 If I'm Trouba, I play my ass off and go for a Subban contract... $8 million for 7 years Scheifele - at best 4.5 for five years, at worst 6 for six years Lowry - $4.5 for 4 years Hutch - gone Armia- ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Why only 7 years for Trouba? So you can sign him to a new deal later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 If I'm Trouba, I play my ass off and go for a Subban contract... $8 million for 7 years Scheifele - at best 4.5 for five years, at worst 6 for six years Lowry - $4.5 for 4 years Hutch - gone Armia- ??? Scheif a 60 point center paid as much as a 25 point one? Try again really. Trouba gonna have to put up way more points if he wants 8 million. He's good but not one of the best In the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 If I'm Trouba, I play my ass off and go for a Subban contract... $8 million for 7 years Scheifele - at best 4.5 for five years, at worst 6 for six years Lowry - $4.5 for 4 years Hutch - gone Armia- ??? Scheif a 60 point center paid as much as a 25 point one? Try again really. Trouba gonna have to put up way more points if he wants 8 million. He's good but not one of the best In the league Whoa, Mr. Hockey has spoken! And its a 50pt centre paid as much as a 40pt... that's why it says 'at best' Trouba will be one of the best... doubt you can pin him down to a bridge contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Is lock trouba up as long as possible or a deal that leaves a year or two of RFA so we can leverage that into the 8 year deal later and end up guaranteeing he's here for 10+ years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Lol. I'm not Mr Hockey that's for sure, that's Gordie Howe, I just think... It's pretty obvious that Scheifele is our future #1 center and right now he's the #2 center, he's improving every year, he's good in his own zone and he puts up points, a guy like that will not be paid the same as a 3rd line center, I like Lowry, i like him lots, i just think he's an ideal 3rd line center and or winger for that matter, I see a future 3rd line of Lowry on the wing with a guy like Harkins up the middle, strong defensive minded 3rd line... Also, Scheif has gotten better every year, This will be Lowrys second, at least with the big club ... I think if i was a betting man, i'd bet Scheif and Trouba both get long term deals and Lowry, depending on how he does this year, will get a bridge deal, if he improves lots like Scheif has, well, maybe he gets a long term deal too. But, no way in no universe will Lowry and Scheif be paid anywhere close to the same.. Scheifs gonna get a long term deal... like Couts did with Philly, Lowry might also but it won't be for as much cash as Scheif gets that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 i think scheif ends up closer to six Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted August 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 I think Scheif gets a bridge as does Lowry and Trouba gets signed for as many years as they can talk him into. No way in hell I sign that cnotract if I am Scheifele. If he is their 1C, he should get more than 4.5m per.....after his bridge deal. He'll command 6+ if his development continues on pace. Again, after his bridge deal. Hutch will get a raise unless his game falls to pieces. I think we lose Hutch to the expansion draft. Armia's next contract is up to him. He needs to show management he is ready or at least gets called up around the ASB or before. I would lock up Trouba to 8 years. He is an UFA after a 7 year contract anyway so why not get the extra year? If he continues to improve this year while pulling that ball around his ankle (Stuart), he will deserve 48m over 8 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Flyers got Couturier at 6 years for 26 million... I'm sure that's what Chevy will try for I did price Lowry high, maybe they get him at a bridge for 2.5-3 million... or maybe Chevy realizes that 6'5 possession centerman doesn't come around every day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted August 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 All I am saying is, if I am Scheifele, a bridge deal works in my favor. 2 years for 3.75m per and then sign a 7 or 8 year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wookie Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 so after signing ladd and buff and the rest of these guys , who goes so the jets have cap space, with a 1.32 $$$$ the cap has to come down, not go up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Well apparently Wally told me that most of our guys are signed at league minimum so we should have about 94 million left in cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted September 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 I'm guessing the cap stays around where it is and they really can't afford Buff. The Jets are going to see a wee bit of a salary cap issue after this season. I originally thought they could afford 13-14 a year on both Buff and Ladd and give Trouba a huge raise and a decent one to both Lowry and Scheif and Hutch. When you sit down with a calculator, it doesn't look like they can do it. It'll put them too near the cap and I don't think True North is ready to spend to the cap yet. In the 2018, 2019 and 2020 season, this team looks like it could be a force to reckon with. They could get around it for a few years by signing Trouba to a bridge deal but I would lock Trouba up for 8 years if he would sign it. I'd easily give him 48m for 8 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 The jets can absolutely afford everyone. Whether they choose to is a different discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 so after signing ladd and buff and the rest of these guys , who goes so the jets have cap space, with a 1.32 $$$$ the cap has to come down, not go up Toby the dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted September 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 The jets can absolutely afford everyone. Whether they choose to is a different discussion. Only if they spend close to the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 they save about 3.5 million going with burmi instead of frolik... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted September 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Little 4.7 Wheeler 5.6 Stafford 4.35 Perrault 3 Burmi 1.55 Thorbs 1.2 Enstrom 5.75 Myers 5.5 Stuart 2.625 Postma .8875 Chiarot .85 Pavs 3.9 This is about 40m for 1 goalie, 5 D men and 6 forwards. I will assume the following Troubs 5.9 Scheif 3.9 Lowry 2.5 Hutch 1.5 Ladd 6.25 Morrissey 1.39 Petan .863 Ehlers 1.39 Copp .925 Armia 1.5 This is about 66.1m without Buff. 71 - 66.1 = 4.9m This is 7 D men, 2 goalies and 14 forwards. Armia might not get 1.5 and I might be a bit off on Morrissey's and Ehlers' contracts. Helle might play instead of Hutch and that would bring it down by .65m but I don't think I am far enough off to be unreasonable. If Buff signs for 6m per year, we are still OVER the cap by 1.1m. The more I crunch the numbers, the more I see they cannot afford to re-sign Buff and Ladd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 They are third last in cap if I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted September 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Nobody is talking about this year. We are talking about 2016-2017's salary cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Yeah well if they are third last this year they have plenty of Space. Some guys will move on to make room. Keep in mind Myers has a contract that pays diminishing dollars every year. So while his cap hit is consistent it frees up cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Get rid of Enstrom and there's room for Buff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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