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16 minutes ago, Rich said:

Please continue any discussion on wrestling here.

The Hulk Hogan Gawker trial was better discussed in the wrestling thread anyway although it's a very interesting case for several reasons.  I know someone mentioned the Erin Andrews case too and I cant remember if I replied to it or not.  But in another forum I frequent there was quite a debate about.

Erin Andrews actually sued the hotel and the guy that took the video, not any of the outlets that showed the video.  She won $55m (half from the guy himself so she likely wont see it).  Hulk Hogan actually settled out of court with Bubba (the guy who took the video) for $5,000 (incredibly low amount).  But I believe his ask from Gawker is $100m.  Florida is a good state for Hogan and actually Gawker had to sell off some assets because they are required to have the money they might lose.  Gawker tried to settle with Hogan because if they lose, they are toast.

Today, Gawker made the point that ABC covered the video.  That's their attempt to show the video was newsworthy. 

Personally, I hope Hogan creams them.

In other news TNA (the only other promotion besides WWE that is considered in the industry according to *some*, even though they dont make any money) is desperately seeking investment.  Rumor has it their parent company Panda Energy has stopped footing the bill.  They didnt even announce new TV tapings until this week (for next week) and their ratings on POP TV continue to drop.  This week set a new record low and featured Kurt Angle's TNA retirement match.  TNA is in trouble.  But they have been for a long time.

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How can you both not consider 20 people in a backyard as not being "part of the industry" when Daniel Bryan commented in the ring the night he retired on Raw that he remembers wrestling in a gas station parking lot in front of a few people & was proud that he did? The Indies & these types of exhibitions are just as much a part of wrestling as WrestleMania in Dallas.  

And Brandon & TUP think you guys can keep this thread from being locked, too?

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5 minutes ago, iso_55 said:

How can you both not consider 20 people in a backyard as not being "part of the industry" when Daniel Bryan commented in the ring the night he retired on Raw that he remembers wrestling in a gas station parking lot in front of a few people & was proud that he did? The Indies & these types of exhibitions are just as much a part of wrestling as WrestleMania in Dallas.  

And Brandon & TUP think you guys can keep this thread from being locked, too?

There is a difference between "backyard wrestling" and wrestling in a gas station parking lot in front of a lousy crowd.  I dont have hatred for backyard wrestling per se because a lot of professional wrestlers "started" out by goofing with their friends.  But backyard wrestling can be very dangerous.  Goofing off with friends is one thing, but there are kids that charge money to the neighborhood to come watch themselves do stupid things.

I remember there was a "backyard promotion" in Fort Richmond years ago, probably 2003/2004-ish and they would "wrestle" in a school field every weekend.  A few of the local wrestlers found out and went down there and offered to train them if they wanted to be wrestlers.  So that was a good idea in theory.  A few of them took the guys up on their offer and trained.  A few even went on to wrestler (none very well or with great success).  Many refused and wanted to keep doing their backyard stuff.

One of them ended up coming to us and asking to train and through that he learned more respect for the business and a few of those guys got the others to stop doing backyard wrestling.  The one that came to us is a good guy who wrestled for several years (and still works with us, but not as a wrestler).

Every top guy has stories of the worst indy show he worked on.  That's the nature of the business.  And its all constructive, or most of it.  We used to do shows at Rookies Bar in transcona and virtually no one ever went to those shows.  Like there were shows with 7 people at it.  Some more...some decent.  But many awful.  But Rookies paid us.  And we used the show to develop younger guys.  Rookies was the first place I started booking actually, because our booker at the time didnt want to bother showing up...lol

And yes, I dont want a thread locked.  As I related to Rich, there is relevance even in "arguments" if the discussion is progressing.  I would say that is the case thus far with this thread.

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1 minute ago, bigg jay said:

A backyard promotion and a legitimate indy promotion are 2 different things. 

This is backyard wrestling:

TNA-Backyard.jpg

This is indy wrestling

undisputed.jpg

 

See the difference?

That ring in the first picture is actually better than some I've seen constructed for the purposes of backyarding!

The Hardy Boys were backyard wrestlers.  Eventually backyard kids either get bored with it or realise they still love it and go get real training.  So realistically, backyarding is fine if its goofing off, its the risk of injury and what that does to the larger industry that can be a problem.

Then again, the worst injury I saw locally was a drunk worker who suffered a stinger and his promoter alerted the media thinking it would be an easy hook for publicity and it nearly resulted in the government bringing pro wrestling under regulation again.  Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed.

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might depend on the perspective, those backyard fights made kimbo slice famous before he even got to the UFC

 

in the sense, Kimbo got on the radar thanks to those back yard fights,  WWE has profitted on old footage of back yard mick foley and the Hardy boys to name a couple people

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1 hour ago, Brandon said:

I've seen local shows similar to the 2nd picture and I would not consider that part of the industry...   the ring was nice but the players were ... yikes! 

To compare it to MMA... just because Kimbo had backyard fights and then eventually made it to the UFC.... doesn't mean that those backyard boat fights are part of the MMA industry.   Same goes for wrestling...   amateur community club stuff does not equal part of the industry.  It's almost always just a bunch of pretenders playing.  

In your example, Kimbo would be picture one, not 2.  Picture 2 would be more like CFC unless you don't consider that part of the mma industry since most of those guys won't make it anywhere either.  Same goes for the CFL, most guys will never even get a sniff of the NFL.

Most minor leagues (whether or not it's wrestling, mma, hockey whatever) are filled with guys who will never make to the upper echelon, but it doesn't mean they aren't a part of that particular sport/industry. 

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I'm really disappointed that you guys killed the rasslin thread.

I just need somewhere to talk about rasslin, not celebrity sex tape weekly.

Looks like New Day will be defending the titles at Roadblock against League of Nations.  Some of the so-called experts are sure New Day will win.  But there are other rumors that New Day will do a face turn soon.  So wouldn't it be perfect for them to lose the titles to the hated League of Nations, then have their face turn and go into Wrestlemania trying to win their titles back as the good guys.  That would be a great set up.

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I guess that gives LoN some relevance, but not much. I think they are hated more cuz wtf are they, just 4 guys pitted together, no gimmick or theme, no mic skills or lack there of, just a forgettable team no one will be phased if and when they split up.  But if Wade Barrett is set to leave in June or July, at least it'll play in to the 3 v 3 with new day until they decide to blow everything up

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3 minutes ago, Taynted_Fayth said:

I guess that gives LoN some relevance, but not much. I think they are hated more cuz wtf are they, just 4 guys pitted together, no gimmick or theme, no mic skills or lack there of, just a forgettable team no one will be phased if and when they split up.  But if Wade Barrett is set to leave in June or July, at least it'll play in to the 3 v 3 with new day until they decide to blow everything up

I thought LoN was stupid when they first started out but they are growing on me.  Del Rio not so much but Sheamus, Barrett, Rusev work well together.  They're funny.

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I missed SD and only caught the end of raw so i havent really seen them for a little while, I just gringe though when sheamus is on the mic, hell even on camera with this beard braids. I'd imagine Barrett does most of the mic work or no?

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I echo Atomic's sentiments. If anyone wants to talk about celebrity porno sex tapes here or what diva they want to bang then take it to private messages. It's probably one of the reasons why the first rasslin' thread was killed. Just stick to wrestling.  Don't spoil it for the rest of us.

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3 hours ago, Atomic said:

I thought LoN was stupid when they first started out but they are growing on me.  Del Rio not so much but Sheamus, Barrett, Rusev work well together.  They're funny.

Sheamus has peaked. Since he came back as a heel with the Mohawk, he just doesn't have the buzz anymore. Definitely has become a permanent mid carder.

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OMG  check out the move at the 1:14 mark and tell me how this guy doesnt get paralyzed for life.   **warning there punk music to vid so turn down volume**

 

 

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11 hours ago, Taynted_Fayth said:

what station and time is NXT on? or do you need something like the WWE network>

It's on WWE network Wednesday's at 7:00. It's the best thing on the network.

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