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As a season ticket holder, I pay my money to be entertained. I can count maybe 3 or 4 games in the past 3 seasons when I wasn't entertained, so I feel like I've been getting my money's worth. Would it have been better if they had won a championship? Sure, but at the end of the day, it is an entertainment business, and for my money have been very entertaining the last 4-5 years.

This quite honestly might be the dumbest thing I have ever read on a Bomber fan board ever and that includes my own posts from when I was 12.

Wow. I see that off-season is in full swing....

Voyager 2 reaches interstellar space: https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/voyager-2-interstellar-1.4939596

Feel free to get in another jalopy then and head on out...

I'm curious if you posting this in italics makes it more or less important....

This begs the question of where Leggett should be listed. I'm inclined to put him with the defensive halfbacks, even though he was a linebacker half the time. Not sure he makes the cut in either position (certainly not as one of the 2 best outside linebackers all-time).

I'm more curious as to what sort of sentence you were trying to build here.

A poster said the president was fixing the books but provided zero proof.

The ol' "I know people who know" line. Classic. LOL Just so you know, that is not a trump card and only makes you look foolish. You have no contacts or connections to an inside track with the club. You enjoy habitually dragging the WFC through the mud and making up stories while doing so - usually after a bad loss or whenever O'Shea appears on your TV. The reality is you know nothing more than anyone else on here, so your list of speculative assertions is essentially meaningless. The last thing you should do on a public forum is attempt to pull your hometown friends into the mud with you. And you're one of the last people who should lecture others on being objective. Spare us your tired BS, man.

If you're not first you're last! 😉

Talk, as they say, is cheap.

Except it's not a jalopy and it's not crapping out, I mean christ, they lost the west final to the eventual winners in a much closer game than the cup game wound up being. How is that a jalopy crapping out? Stand up and pull your head out of your ass. Please.

Stability wins in the long run. We got a team that is now pretty deep in a lot of areas, good coaching and a Canadian situation that is arguably the best in the league. These guys have lots of time in my books cause you keep having teams like that you'll win the Cup eventually. Fans put way way too much emphasis on 1990. Yeah it sucks, but just enjoy the ride.

Big "If". What does Chamblin's success or failure have to do with how Miller looks at Walters and O'Shea's record?

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I had him on my original list of people to consider, but his numbers seemed lacking (certainly if Heath and his 7 ints. with the Bombers over 2 seasons and 2 CFL all-star nods don’t make the grade, then equal results and lesser accolades over a longer period of time would be questionable, no?). But I will put him on the nominations list and let the people decide. Democracy in action!

IMHO Rod Hill was the best DB the Bombers ever had. He may be the best at that position to ever play in the CFL. I've said this a number of times but...he was so good, that when the Bombers had Less Browne playing on the other corner (Less Browne is the CFL's all time INT leader), QB's rarely threw to Hill's side. I remember the day the Bombers signed Rod Hill...Cal Murphy was in a state of ephoria.

My advice would be to add Rowland as a defensive back. We've had some great linebackers & there'll be plenty of nominations at that position.

What if....

I think Nichols was pushing too hard and trying to do too much. He's not the kind of QB who can take the team on his shoulders. He's the kind that has to play within himself and not screw up too often.

Long time lurker - first post The DHB position would be incomplete without Dr. Tom "Citation" Casey. Casey played for the Blue Bombers 1950-1955. He earned an all-star nod each season. For 1950-1952 he was an all-star halfback. This was the end of the era when the WIFU only issued a 1st and 2nd all-star team and did not differentiate offence from defence. He was best known for his defensive play although Casey would likely have been an all-star on offence and defence in 1950 & 1952. For 1953-1955, Casey was an all-star at defensive halfback. Interceptions were first tracked by the WIFU in 1952. Casey finished 2nd with 7 interceptions in '52, 1st in '53 with 7 & 3rd in '54 with 6. Based on newspaper accounts, Casey had at least 10 interceptions in 1950.

Yeah, I would say they have lots of problems. But, seriously, this is exactly the type of technology I would expect them to use to try to get to Alpha Centuri.

I'm pretty sure with how the Bombers organization is structured, such a thing would be damn near impossible. Wade Miller is accountable to the 12 person Board of Directors, who's primary role I would think is to analyze the financial situation of the club, being publicly owned. Don't think such a thing would slip through the hands of these highly credible folks: https://www.bluebombers.com/board-of-directors/ What a crazy statement!

Dems fightin' words!

absolutely...and he played Safety for awhile, too. With SAM backer being a glorified DB, I'd be inclined to have him with them, rather than the LBs...

I will have an extra linebacker (2 inside/middle, 2 outside) and will also have 4 linemen (2 outside, 2 inside) so as not to have to decide 4-3 or 3-4. Our defence will have an extra player (as will the offence, with a RB, FB, 2 slotbacks, 2 WR and a 5th receiver). And no, I'm not concerned about ratio.

Leggett's great, but not sure he's Top 3 all time on a team that's had some of the league's all time best LBs...

I wanna go fast

http://3downnation.com/2018/12/10/lions-agree-terms-devone-claybrooks-become-head-coach/ Interesting new twist."The Virginia native was under contract with the Stamps through the 2019 season, which means the Lions have to pay half of his salary to Calgary that counts against the Lions non-football cap."

was just mentioned on TSN radio that Claybrooks signed in BC, but not seeing anything official yet.

This post would be ******* funny if it weren't so ******* scary true.

Observed a while back.... that there eventually would be a "tar baby" effect for the Republicans, on this. It has taken much longer than I thought.....the willingness of senior Republicans in the House and Senate, to aid and abet Trump, while eating all his crap, has been astounding. But there are limits to everything - soon these guys will have to worry more about the fate of the party, and much less about Donald Trump

You're making assumptions....follows it up with a bunch of assumptions.

You're making some big assumptions there. Facts as per TSN/Twitter: Nov 30 - Claybrooks Interview. Argos and Lions ask permission to speak to Steinauer, not sure if it was granted for either. Dec 1 - PLAP Interview Dec 3 - Steinauer signs with Ticats as HC and Chamblin interview... later he is at the Raptors game with Argo upper management. Dec 4 - PLAP 'withdraws' Maybe Steinhauer chose the Ticats over the Argos. Maybe the Argos didn't even get to interview him. Maybe they interviewed him and didn't choose him. Maybe Claybrooks rejected the Argos or maybe they didn't choose him after the interview. Maybe LAPO got an offer or maybe he bowed out when he saw the Argos level of interest in Chamblin was higher than their interest in him.

Not a bad choice considering they were rejected by Orlondo, Lapo, and Claybrooks. He has a ring and will certainly make things more uncomfortable for players not giving their all.

And a punishing tackler, too.

Ahem... https://www.bluebombers.com/2018/12/07/10-notable-numbers-2018/ 1 The stat: The Bombers led the CFL in points in 2018 – 550 – and also in offensive points scored – 507, or 28.2 points per game. What it means: As recently as 2015, the Bombers were dead last in offensive points scored and they finished last in points scored in three of four years from 2012-2015. The last time the Bombers led the CFL in this category? Try 2002, when Paul LaPolice was in his first of three stints with the club. Talking point: The offensive totals are significant, because even though the Bombers led the league in rushing, they also opened the season with rookie Chris Streveler as their starting quarterback for three games while Matt Nichols recovered from a knee injury and had only one player – Darvin Adams – finish in the Top 20 in receiving yardage. LaPolice withdrew his name from consideration for the Toronto Argonauts head coaching vacancy this week, FYI, but remains a popular candidate for his offensive wizardry. 20.8 The stat: The Bombers defence surrendered an average of 20.8 points per game this past season, ranking second in the CFL to the Calgary Stampeders (17.8). What it means: It represents significant progress for the Bombers defensive unit after allowing 26.6 points per game in 2017, which ranked seventh overall. That’s 5.8 points less per game. The Bombers allowed 419 points in 2018 – including points scored against the special teams and offence – which was the team’s best total since giving up 404 in 2007. Talking point: A defence which had been in the crosshairs at the end of the 2017 season helped redeem itself in 2018. Those numbers were solid in the postseason too, when the Bombers allowed just 40 points in two playoff games and only 314 passing yards combined in the win over Saskatchewan and loss to Calgary. +13 The stat: The Bombers finished +13 in the turnover ratio (takeaways minus giveaways), tied for first in the CFL with Calgary. What it means: Over the last three years the Bombers are a whopping +56 in the turnover ratio, followed by the Stampeders (+52), Saskatchewan (+3), Hamilton (-5), Edmonton (-9), Montreal (-17), Ottawa (-13) and B.C. (-29) and Toronto (-38). Talking point: The Bombers racked up 151 points off turnovers in 2018, after registering 166 in 2017 and 149 in 2016 – first in the CFL in each of those three years. It could be argued no stat represents the club’s turnaround over the past three years better than the turnover ratio and the points generated off the mistakes of their opponents. 38.4 The stat: Bombers running back Andrew Harris accounted for 297 of the club’s 772 offensive touches in 2018– 239 carries, 58 receptions – or 38.4 percent. What it means: It just hammers home how much of a workhorse Harris is in the Bombers offence, given the number was 37.8 percent in 2017. That total is, by far, the highest in the CFL. A related stat worth noting: there were only three players in the league this year who accounted for 20 or more percent of their team’s total yards gained: Harris was first at 27 percent, followed by Ottawa REDBLACKS running back William Powell (23 percent) and Edmonton Eskimos receiver Duke Williams (21 percent). Talking point: Harris averaged 5.8 yards per carry in 2018 and 7.8 yards per reception. Those are both solid totals, especially as defences have increasingly fixated on limiting that damage. But is 38.4 percent of the total touches too much as it relates to offensive balance? Discuss amongst yourselves. 105 The stat: The defensive tackle totals by Bombers middle linebacker Adam Bighill, tying him with Hamilton’s Larry Dean for third most in the CFL behind Calgary’s Alex Singleton (123) and Henoc Muamba of Montreal (108). What it means: The CFL started tracking tackles as a stat in 1987 and Bighill became just the sixth Bomber to hit the century mark in tackles after Greg Battle (108 in 1989, 100 in 1990), K.D. Williams (102 in 1996), Barrin Simpson (110 in 2006 and 112 in 2007), Henoc Muamba (106 in 2013) and Khalil Bass (102 in 2015). Talking point: What doesn’t show up in the stats is Bighill’s ability to lead and make those around him better. The big question heading into the offseason – with Bighill as a pending free agent – is how many dollars GM Kyle Walters might have to pile up to have him return. 11/10 The stat: Chris Streveler passed for 11 touchdowns and rushed for 10 more in his rookie season with the Bombers. What it means: Those are dandy totals, not just because Streveler started only three games at the beginning of the season when Matt Nichols was on the shelf with a knee injury, but as it is also a perfect representation of his skillset. Consider that Streveler became the first Bomber QB in 25 years to hit double-digit totals in passing TDs and rushing TDs. The last? Matt Dunigan, who threw for 36 and ran for 11 in 1993. Talking point: The Bombers have Streveler under contract for 2019 and it will be intriguing to see if his role in the offence expands. There’s no question he is a dangerous runner, but can he continue to work on his ability to read defences in the passing game to improve his stock as a future starter in the CFL, and/or will he draw interest from down south? 8.7/19.7 The stat: The Bombers averaged 8.7 yards per punt return and 19.7 yards per kickoff return – both totals ranking 8th, or second-last, in the CFL. What it means: Those numbers are about two yards less per return from 2017, when the club ranked fourth and fifth, respectively, in punt and kickoff return yards. The Bombers had one return touchdown all year – a 110-yard missed field goal TD by Kevin Fogg in the season-opening loss to Edmonton, after finishing with three in 2017. Three teams in the league – Winnipeg, Toronto and Edmonton – did not register a punt or kickoff return touchdown this year. Talking point: The Bombers leading punt and kickoff return men from 2018 – Kevin Fogg, Nic Demski and Ryan Lankford – are all pending free agents. There is a sense from the Bombers coaches that Charles Nelson, who dressed for the regular season finale and then started in the West Final, could be an answer as a returner. He was a Pac-12 All-Star as a returner in 2015 while at Oregon. 107 The stat: The Bombers were nailed for 107 penalties in 2018, one fewer than a year ago. That total was the CFL’s lowest, as was the total penalty yardage of 1,019. What it means: It’s significant, given where the Bombers have come from in this category over the last few years. The Bombers penalty total in the past four years has dropped from 202, to 166, to 108, to 107. Talking point: The last time the Bombers took less than 107 penalties in a season was way back in 1974, when they were nailed for 90 infractions. Teams were also playing a 16-game schedule then, too. 4,814 The stat: The passing yards surrendered by the Bombers in 2018 – or 267.4 yards per game. That ranked fifth overall, behind Saskatchewan (245.5), B.C. (247.2) Hamilton (247.7) and Calgary (251.9). What it means: Ranking fifth in anything in a nine-team league is hardly worth planning a parade, but it is worth a hearty slap on the back given where the Bombers have come from in this department. Winnipeg was dead last in passing yards against in 2017 at 5,788 or 321.6 per game. That’s 974 yards less a year ago, or over 54 yards per game. Talking point: Defensive coordinator Richie Hall had been roundly criticized by fans after playoff losses in 2016 and 2017 were pockmarked by the work of the defensive dozen. But that chatter died down considerably in the second half of this past season as the defence morphed into a force. Hall deserves credit, as does head coach Mike O’Shea for standing by his defensive boss and increasing his role on that side of the ball. What shouldn’t be overlooked is the work of two new defensive assistants in Jordan Younger and James Stanley, along with Glenn Young, who had his role expanded from linebackers coach to Front 7 coach in 2018. 30-15 The stat: The Bombers won-lost record in games in which Matt Nichols has started since replacing Drew Willy at the end of July, 2016 (he is 32-19 overall as a starter in Winnipeg). What it means: The club has stability at the position after a scary revolving door of pivots dating back to 2011. Nichols winning percentage is .667, and just FYI, the team was 1-2 under Streveler this year, 11-18 with Drew Willy at the controls and 13-14 with Buck Pierce under centre. All the other QBs – from Justin Goltz to Robert Marve to Max Hall, Brian Brohm, Dom Davis, Dan LeFevour – combined to go 7-16. Put that all together and the collection of QBs other than Nichols who started games for the Bombers were a combined 32-61, for a winning percentage of .344. Talking point: Both Mike Reilly of the Edmonton Eskimos and Calgary’s Bo Levi Mitchell are pending free agents this winter, prompting many in Bomber Nation to suggest the club should offer up a blank cheque to both to see which of the two pivots might be tempted. That’s fair comment, as every GM in this league will undoubtedly make inquiries. But as Kyle Walters indicated in his season-ending media availability, there is real belief in the locker room and coaches’ offices that this team can win with Nichols at the controls

But this is "reality". How can you argue with "reality"?

Even a freak like him can be susceptible if he's overplayed plus bigger picture they are way to reliant on him. If McDavid goes down for an extended time how confident would they be in weathering the storm? Ask any HardCore Oiler fan and you'll get your answer. Unfortunately I'm surrounded by them.

CFL should focus on hiring Canadians. The problem with hiring Americans is that health care is a thing down there. Coaches living year-round in Canada don't have to worry about it. Plus I think the NCAA would be less likely to poach Canadian coaches. When they poach a CFL coach it's typically a situation where the guy was a known commodity as a player south of the line before coming to the CFL. Fears over this football operations cap I think are overblown. Its affecting a couple teams who were overspending because they could. Meantime teams like Calgary who are better run don't seem to have any issues. You gotta develop coaches yourself so you always have a up and comer available when you lose a coach. I remember when Calgary lost Rich Stubler and there was some concern. Claybrooks ended up being cheaper and better.

I love it when people declare their poorly supported speculations as "reality". Here's a little tip for you: when all the voices in your head are telling you you're right, you probably aren't.

We should have a poll of the best posters on MBB - thus getting a poster all-star team.

It's asinine comments like his (the old football guy, not you 17to85) that make me ever so thankful for the ignore function. Now if we could just figure out a way to hide when they get quoted, life would be grand!

At first I didn't like him as Hawkeye. I still prefer the comic book version (and the costume), but he's grown on me.

Starfleet? Tell them to contact Geordi, I'm retired now.

I believe the cap was brought in as a preemptive defense in the upcoming CBA negotiations so players can’t point to some of the excess being spent by some teams and wanting a bigger piece of the pie. That and to allow the weaker financial teams to remain competitive and not spend beyond their means.