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Every year I say I want to see them go 0-18 and that would STILL be too good for that babbling rabble in the Gap...

I've got nothing against Tim Flanders, but the talent we have now is far beyond that...

I'd love to see them go 3-15 with numerous crushing losses including a 77-0 loss in the Banjo Bowl.

I would be happy if Andrew Harris spends the entire camp in his civvies and rides the pine for both preseason games. There is zero gain in him doing anything until the games start to count.

I don't know about anybody else ,but I'm getting rather tired of Westie's verbal diarrhea.

Every year we can keep O'Shea from heading back to Southern Ontario is a win. No reason to get rid of any of that core group of President, GM, Head Coach. None of them are on the hot seat. The team is always ready to play and has been since 2014. The continuity has and will continue to allow the team to build talented rosters. We literally haven't been able to attract the level of free agent we've attracted yearly from 2016 on since the early 90's.

I am comfortable with Neufield starting on minimal camp time. The more reps for the kids the better.

The main problem with having 1290 do a training camp location show.........is that the 1290 guys would be doing it.

One day, TSN1290 will rid themselves of him and it will be a glorious day. I think he's a really nice, genuine guy but not very good radio host.

I'm really curious to see how much of a factor Jones was on the Saskatchewan defense. They seemed to have played way above their heads and if they come back down to earth then yikes it could get ugly in Riderville.

Very well. You tell him..

Have you been watching reruns of WKRP in Cincinnati again?

@jeffkhamilton Rasheed Bailey, one of the front runners for the 5th receiver spot, is having another strong day. Just reeled in a long pass from Bryan Bennett.

They’d have to stop talking about the Jets for 5 minutes...

From the sparseness of the tight end position to the glorious qb position. I voted for Ken Ploen as the man richly deserves to be recognized as GOAT but look at the other guys on that list. Some great ones are there for sure.

Reminds me of Jerome Haywood. Same height.

The morning show was at its best when Paul Edmonds was hosting.

Nothing like having a little Bailey in the morning..with my coffee.

Throw in a full season of their typical off-field stuff (bar fights, drug charges, getting busted having secret rosters, etc) and I'm good with that!

They can win 1 game max per month. Excluding September.

Chris Jones is in town?

yeah dumping any at this junture is foolish...It's like Fenner said...everything is in place and it's up to them to execute and win the cup...nothing short of that...and I agree...through drafting..free agency, over all team management and league wide image/perception these guys have hit a slam dunk...now it's time for the players to finish it...the window is now..get that first one and see what happens around here and it will most likely result in multiple appearances and hopefully wins

I would suggest that wear and tear over a very long 18 game regular season is a significant consideration for the starting tailback on any team. Once you make the roster commitment to go Canadian at that spot, managing the amount of contact is paramount. We know what Harris can do as he is a proven vet. Give the training camp reps to the young guns. Harris can have non-contact practice reps in the week before our regular season opener. I would not play him more than 1 quarter in both preseason games combined. At this stage of his career, he can take mental reps.

If I need one guy to win one game, I take Matt dunigan. He could will you to win dominate like few else the league has seen. His health isn't reliable over the long term though. Have a contender with a window of 2-3 years and want to be a champion once or more in that span? Give me Tom clements. Took the place of a hall of fame elite qb and took the same team to the next level. He's a team elevator not just an individual dominator. Need to start a franchise or rebuild? A guy to be there in thin times and develop a team around to contend and win? Brock and jack brings In the fans but Kenny ploen brings every thing. Including the rings. Doing what ever it takes and exceling at it. He's my vote for goat.

Hecht starting would make sense ... Oshea does like to have one key veteran that weakens the overall strength of his D macho Harris... ejiro kuale... Sam hurl...

One man's take: A bit trickier than I thought it might be. This category will boil down to how one would define "greatness". If you are a stats head, Brock has the career numbers, Jones arguably had the greatest single season (even though he didn't win MOP that year), and the more recent QBs have the edge in that new fangled efficiency rating, for what it's worth (BTW Matt Nichols leads in that category, and in career and single season completion percentage). And Kevin Glenn had surprisingly comparable career numbers to Jones in his time here. But if greatness is defined by team success, then Ploen is a slam dunk. However, breaking down his numbers makes one wonder how much of his success was driven by him, versus having a stacked team around him, compared to say a Jacobs, Dunigan or Jonas who carried a team. Or do you weigh both aspects equally, in which case a guy like Clements checks off both boxes of strong stats and team success? And do you weigh these guys against each other, or compared to their contemporaries in the years they played? Let the debate begin. My case for each (loathe to put them in "rankings" for fear of slighting any of them, but consider this a sort of pecking order from bottom to top): Kevin Glenn: Like with every team in his career, he just went about his business and put up some very nice numbers, despite little praise for it. Probably should have beat out Kerry Joseph for league MOP in 2007 based on the stats that year (although Henry Burris may have been the proper choice overall), and how does his overall legacy look if he doesn't break his arm in the East Final chasing Charlie's goalline gaffe? How different is the team's legacy, for that matter, with a Grey Cup drought that likely would have ended 12 years ago instead of carrying into this year once more? But it's the little things about him that irk fans that knock him down a peg. How he'd point to the name on the back of his jersey after a score (like it was more important than the logo on the shoulder), he had a chip on his shoulder for sure - maybe justifiably so given the lack of respect he gets an all the moving around for a pretty impressive career - he has not hung around this long because he's no good - but his time in Winnipeg was marred by some knee problems, and he could always do just enough to get a team close and then break their hearts with a last drive mistake when it mattered most (fortunately his most egregious playoff failures happened in other uniforms). Clutch he was not. But respect is due for what he did accomplish here. I say he fully deserves to be on the nominees list, but nothing more than that. Matt Dunigan: So this is reason #1 why I fear ranking these guys. It is so subjective in how to look at things. But he was here the shortest time, and while he is now beloved, most have probably conveniently forgotten that when he was here he was labelled "the glass quarterback". Played QB with a linebacker mentality, the best running QB of the lot by a country mile (and given the state of our running game, he was like a 1A back beside Michael Richardson) and the best improvisational scrambler. His ability to extend plays and ad lib made Mike Kelly's offence look better than it maybe was, and unlike a Stegall who made his QBs look better in some cases, Dunigan elevated the play of his receiving corps. And of course, the 713 game is one of the greatest singular moments in 89 years of Bomber history (ranks #2 in games I have ever seen live). But the injuries at crucial times (playing hurt in the '92 Cup, out with an Achilles tear in '93 with our best shot at the Cup) and playing second fiddle to Doug Flutie in that era, coupled with his short tenure, keep him down the list. Oh, but what could have been......... Don Jonas: Resurrected the team from the scrap heap in the 1970's and was the first real star following the dynasty years. Shocking stat: he is still the last Bomber quarterback to start a Western Final playoff game in Winnipeg, 47 years ago. Had Mack Herron as his engine, but really the team rallied around him, and bonus points for early mentorship of Brock, and for arguably the expansion of Winnipeg Stadium because of his play. He was always willing to cede the starter's role and finish in Winnipeg as a senior back-up and guiding hand to Dieter, but management had other plans, one of the biggest injustices in Winnipeg's sporting history when you discuss trades. His shorter time here and no trips to the big dance keep him lower down on the list, but his MOP award squeaks him past Dunigan in my unscientific ranking. Khari Jones: Boy, again I hate ranking these guys, he should be higher. A supernova when he took over from Kerwin Bell, he may be regarded as the biggest steal in Bomber trading history when he was a throw-in on a deal with BC. Legit question: did he make Milt or did Milt make him? Legit question #2, has any player on any team had a better season and not been his team's MOP than Khari in 2002 (maybe Sapunjis or Pitts in Flutie's heyday)? Again. father time and concussions brought an inglorious end to a great career here, had the "quiet room" been around when he played, all one would need to do was see the wide-eyed glaze and he would be sitting rather than throwing that ill-advised wide-side "pick-6 on a silver platter" toss that became all too frequent in his final year here. And he will always be saddled with the "Unfinished Business" group of '01-'03 that keeps him from moving higher on the list. But what a joy to see him just stare at Milt at the line, and they both silently knew the pass was going over the top to the vacated safety spot for a TD with the blitz in his face, and there was nothing anyone could do about it. Jack Jacobs: A QB for a different era, "Indian Jack" transformed the passing game in the CFL. The first QB ever to go over 3,000 yards in a season when formations were basically set up to run the ball on most of the plays. Some can say Milt made IG Field happen, and Jonas was the reason behind the upper deck addition, but Winnipeg Stadium will always be "the house that Jack built" without question, and I can't think of a more lasting legacy for a player than that. I did not include rushing stats for him because they were actually hundreds of yards in the negative (I can only assume sacks were considered "negative gain rushes" at that time). Tom Clements: I have a massive bias for him as my favorite QB, but I would see it as a stretch to call him the "greatest ever" to line up under centre for the Bombers. BUT....if you wanted someone who checks ALL the boxes, he is the only guy who does. MOP award? Check (only Jonas, Brock, and Jones join him as QBs on that list). CFL all-star QB? Check (Jacobs, Ploen, Dunigan, and Glenn cannot say that). Big stats? Check. (His 4686 yard season is 4th best in club history, only Dunigan and Jones have more TD passes in a single season, and at the time his 67% completion rate was a league record) Team Grey Cup success? Check. (Only Ploen stands with him here). "The Professor" or "Clark Kent" was the most cerebral of the Bomber QBs on this list, and as was said before dragged us to heights we had not seen in 22 years, something so many others on this list could not do. His 1987 team was described by Bob Irving as the best Bomber team ever, maybe the best CFL team ever, to not win the Grey Cup. To be traded for one of the iconic Bomber players of all-time and come out best says something, so yeah, maybe he does rank on top. Dieter Brock: Has all the metrics to be #1. The only Bomber ever to win 2 MOP awards (back-to-back). Has all the career records, and a healthy number of the single season marks at one time (some of which are still his). And is it his fault that he never got to the big dance only because was the league's best QB playing on a team that had to go up against the all-time greatest dynasty the CFL has ever seen? "The Birmingham Rifle" (yes, bonus points for a cool nickname, which elevates one's status) was an elite talent. "Could throw a football through a car wash without it getting wet". "Could throw a ball while on his knees at centre field and split the uprights". Just could not win the big one, sigh..... Ken Ploen: So here is my dilemma. If you crunch the numbers. He is not a "wow" player (although that 118.2 effeiciency rating in 1962 is eye-popping, I had to check that number twice). The offence revolved as much around Leo Lewis as anything (as evidenced by his 5 team MOP noms compared to Ploen's 2 over the same time frame). Jim Van Pelt had better passing numbers with the club than Ploen did when they played together. He never ever led the league in passing yards or TDs in any single season. And compared to his contemporaries of that era (Joe Kapp, Sam Etcheverry, Russ Jackson, Robin Tote, and Eagle Day) it's hard to say he ever ranked ahead of them all at any time. But, those 4 rings. And with each passing year of futility with this franchise (a past 22 year drought and now a 29 year famine!), those championships loom larger for his legend. If I am ranking the "best" QBs on how they carried their team alone, or how they stood out as the top player in the league, or how they put up amazing numbers, he falls down this list a lot. But when I think of the "Mount Rushmore" of Bomber players and who deserves to be on that monument (and yes, that will be my final installment next week), how does Ken Ploen not end up on that group of 4 ultimate legends? So I leave it to you to decide without publicly naming my guy. I know who I want up there, who "should" be there, and who "deserves" to be there, and they may all be different people, and I know another could make a better case for someone who isn't one of those three to be the top dog. So don't be shy with those testimonials.

No idea about Neuf. But Harris looked perfectly fine on the sidelines yesterday and MOS suggested they were holding him out so that the depth guys could get more reps.

Bauming should get a show if not every day every other day during the season and training camp. Not just at 7pm once a week or whatever

Toth is also a tool. He'll come out and make a ridiculous asinine statement then fight a losing battle defending it only to do a 180 the next day. That whole show is trash. Scrap it and start over with people who can think and speak properly.

I just wanted to thank everyone for the camp reports. It's really appreciated.

Agreed. People seem to forget about Petermann too. I don't know why?

Lord knows we are due to find a stud Canadian receiver.. he definitely looks like he has the tools. We've got some real good talent behind (beside?) him as well.. Simonise is still a very intriguing prospect..

I was going to say this earlier. They lost the best thing he brought to the table, defensive coordinator. The game planning and in game adjustment on D seems likely to take a hit.

I don't like either of those guys on first down or 2nd and 4 or less if it's my team.

Day 3 of training camp - Ed Tait “I feel great. Coming in and just contributing to the team… great environment, great people, great coaches. I just feel love. I feel like I’m at home,” said Rose. Coming in to Winnipeg and seeing what they did last year with just one game short of the Grey Cup, I just feel like me contributing to the team will help us get there and win us one.” One more on Rose, this from head coach Mike O’Shea: “I thought today was a real slick practice for him. It seemed like he covered well, he runs well and you can hear him out there getting the chatter going. He was quite noticeable today.” Catching our eye on Tuesday were receivers Drew Wolitarsky, Daniel Petermann and Rasheed Bailey – who was working with the starting unit – along with CB Winston Rose, DB Chris Humes, DE Willie Jefferson, OL Michael Couture, Cody Speller and Frank Sutton and DT Steven Richardson. https://www.bluebombers.com/2019/05/21/notes-camp-day-3-recap/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Is anyone paying Booch's expenses??

Derek Jones is a good cover guy btw..makes liffler look like a 50 year old man with his coverage and flexability

The beat reporters......are pretty beat.

Booch has done more reporting this morning than all the paid reporters have done in 3 days combined. Thanks, Booch

God I hope they lock themselves into playing a NI on DL and LB every down with the guys they have. Great for us with Harris and Oliviera.

Craig Roh and Jake Thomas both feeling the pressure behind their necks

Bladek is coming off a serious injury and looked average last season, Blake seems to be on the decline and Shepley is a fairly raw rookie. I disagree.

How is that better? Shepley is a completely unproven rookie and Bladek is coming off a serious injury. Add in Clark's health issues and there is definitely reason for concern about their OL.

And then he won Most Valuable Canadian in the Grey Cup

This is another spot mike sellers could've slotted into. The longevity of ernie pitts, in that era no less, is incredible. Gonna do coaches eventually?