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It isn't an either or type of scenario, IMO. The coaches and the players both share the blame in Saturday's collapse. From what I can tell, that seems to be the consensus here and elsewhere within the fanbase. The coaches failed. The players failed.

Yeah, the man's a saint... Eat a bowl of dicks, Vern.

BS....., if we could see it they could see it.

Ripping Bighill's helmet off should have resulted in an ejection. I can't understand why the CFL reffing is so pathetic. Swinging it at him should have earned him a two game suspension.

Who cares about parsing this statement or that? The deal is actually doing something about the situation.....like quit retreating into a pathetic shell, and blowing games late. This nonsense has got to stop, and the responsibility starts from MOS on down.

Over twenty five years we planted hundreds of trees in our yard (20 acres), the property is unrecognizeable now, from when we started. Willows, Manitoba maple, white and black spruce, pines, siberian elms,(grew large, then died) birch, poplar.... lot of work, keeping deer, rabbits , grass off them, and tent caterpillars, pruning some, watering them, moving them to better spots if need be, Some of them my wife grew from seed. you can't just plant them and you're done in Manitoba, but we enjoyed doing it. one of the most satisfying things I've done. If you have a low wet spot, plant some willows. It's amazing what they'll do to dry it out.

Agreed. Apparently there was not evidence for the on-field refs to eject Adams but there was enough later to suspend him??????

Where have all the conservatives gone? Remember when the $13B bailout of the auto industry that was the end of the world for Republicans? Pathetic lot.

The science is settled on this. Wideleft is dealing with facts and evidence- you are the only one trotting out fairytales and emotion based responses. Nothing you say regarding climate change is backed up by fact. I mean you accept that world is round based on science and evidence, why are y ou so opposed to climate change? You haven't even read the green new deal - it's about transitioning with as little disruption to the economy as possible. I call bullshit on your equating renewables to be just as dirty as natural gas. You have to stop being so dishonest if you want to talk seriously about this topic man...

Fans should listen to the interview itself for the full context.

Should suspend Adams for the game in Winnipeg.

A lotta help that **** does us... what a ******* joke.

Shoulda just let Saskatchewan have him in the offseason.

They have blown 2 massive leads and had 3 games where they gave up late scoring drives to lose. That is a concern because they could have been running away with the division but these recurring problems have prevented it. That is a concern.

Some people have watched the CFL for a long time and have seen this song and dance from these coordinators before.

How you honestly equate humanity's present socioeconomic reliance on fossil fuels to the biological need to expel waste is beyond absurd. I can't say I'm surprised at your pigheadedness, though. This is the "strategy" you use when proven incorrect. Stick to the childish comments while you're at it, BTW. It really helps others take you and your ignorant opinions seriously. I'm more troubled by the double standard in play: accusing others of letting their emotions dictate what they say, while vehemently denying reality and making statements like "climate apocalyptics (that's not even a word) really want a mass cull," "98%* of us would be dead of starvation and cold," and "destruction of the economy and dangerous to the survival of mankind." There's some over-the-top, emotionally-fueled alarmist rhetoric for you. * The world's population dropping to 140,000,000 is such a ridiculous claim; it was approximately 10x that amount prior to the discovery of fossil fuels.

One missed call didn't cost us that game, a complete shitting of the bed did. The entire second half was a gong show. Adams should not have been on the field after swinging the helmet at Bighill. It *may* have changed the outcome of the game (I'm not fortune teller). The one thing I can say for certain is that win or lose, the Bomber collapse was inexcusable.

It's amusing to see a person who thinks there is little or no connection between climate change and burning fossil fuels, quoting with approval James Hansen.

Nature couldn't give a flying fork about your economics and literally no one has said we need to immediately jump to renewables. Literally everyone has been talking about a transition to green energy - it's the speed of transition that's up for debate even though we are already in transition. Please try to be more honest about this.

I want biggy to come downhill on a sack, then beat Vaj with his own helmet.

says less about Canadians and more about the parties and their leaders currently IMO. Let's be honest, no one thinks Trudeau is a racist, just that he's an idiot who is so privileged that he doesn't know when he's doing something he shouldn't, but we all knew that about him before he was even elected so why would people's reactions change? Just that our choices this election are between a giant ****** and a turd sandwich.

We have done the same in our Hutterite Colony. Maple, Linden, Green Ash, Balsam Poplar, Blue Spruce, Birch & various fruit trees. Our green ash have even spread seed into the nearby woods - ash are thriving amongst the wild poplar and oak. We also have a firm policy to leave the wild oaks standing as much as possible - they thrive in almost every yard.

So, as usual, I take a couple of days off from the board after a game especially after a loss, ESPECIALLY after THIS loss, to get away from the insanity of the emotion right after a game, but I also read through the angry posts after my cooling off period and caught the usual flavour. Many blame Hall and his bend don't break style (which has held up in 9 wins BTW - and that last drive was more a busted coverage for a 60 yard gain than a soft zone - that WAS break, not bend, on that play at least), many blame LaPo. Some ID breakdowns in the secondary, some point to the missed kicks, one or two spread out the blame to all parties. A couple point to blown calls by the ref, especially the missed helmet swing which should have had Adams Jr. ejected by the letter of the rule. A couple looked at Streveler and his ill-timed INT, but many more seemed to be willing to give him a pass (not surprisingly, the loudest of those were the same people who have been dumping on Nichols all season and pumping Strev's tires - or blowing something else of his, since the start of the year). It is almost comical the level of self-flaggellation this fan board goes through after a defeat like this, hope there weren't too many sprained ankles from yet again hopping off the bandwagon. However, one thing in particular that has been a repeated theme is the "we go conservative on offence, why change what worked. LaPo tries to out-think himself and be a genius, he is too predictable and lousy, etc. etc." Therefore, rather than knee-jerk reacting to jump on the Lapo-bashing train or try too hard to defend him against the chattering noise without any substantive backing, I looked at the offensive play-calling from the game to get a feel at least for what was being called and if it did change, or if the critics are merely venting and seeing what they want to see to defend their inherent biases. We know Harris' carries by quarter were 5, 3, 2 and 3, and Streveler was 5, 3,1 and 3 (and 2 of those 3 in the 4th were actually both sacks), but was the reduction in running a play-calling matter or simply the fact that they ran less offensive plays overall due to Montreal being on the field longer? The raw data shows that the Bombers ran 19, 11, 12, and 12 offensive plays (counting field goals and attempts but not punts) by quarter, and Montreal ran 7, 17, 14 and 24. Anyway, here is what the numbers say. Make your own analysis of it to defend your entrenched points of view (I'm sure a few will), but I guess in the end what I see is that the same "inept, useless (fill in your vitriol-filled adjective here) LaPo playcalling" that cost us the game in the 4th is the same that got us the big lead in the first place. Maybe Montreal made adjustments, maybe the INT was a big momentum switch, maybe the issue isn't the coordinators but the players who blew assignements or caved when the pressure got too high for them. Maybe, maybe not. Bombers ran 8 pass plays, 5 QB runs, and 6 RB runs in the first quarter. It was 4-3-3 in the 2nd (and a kneel down), 7-1-3 in the 3rd (and a FG), and 5-3-3 in the 4th (and a FG miss), so aside from the lack of QB runs in the 3rd, the percentage of type of play call seemed fairly consistent. To be fair, I have not re-watched the video to see how the running plays were designed to see if the style of run (up the gut, sweep, pitch, etc.) changed, but as for the passes, this is what I can say: I looked at each pass from the point of catch (where the ball was thrown/caught relative to the line of scrimmage), the YAC yardage, and the TOTAL yards worked for (in 6 instances the pass was caught behind the line of scrimmage so the actual gain was less than the total yards worked for) 1st quarter: -4 POC, 10 YAC, 14 YWF (10 yard catch) -5 POC, 3 YAC, 8 YWF (3 yard catch) 11 POC, 1 YAC, 12 YWF (12 yard catch) 11 POC, 0 YAC, 11 YWF (11 yard catch) 5 POC, 0 YAC, 0 YWF (5 yard incomplete pass) 2 POC, 10 YAC, 12 YWF (12 yard catch) 7 POC, 0 YAC, 7 YWF (7 yard catch) 13 POC, 0 YAC, 13 YWF (13 yard TD catch) 2nd quarter: -2 POC, 11 YAC, 13 YWF (11 yard catch) 7 POC, 2 YAC, 9 YWF (9 yard catch) 35 POC, 39 YAC, 74 YWF (74 yard catch) 10 POC, 0 YAC, 0 YWF (10 yard pass intercepted) 3rd quarter: -4 POC, 6 YAC, 10 YWF (6 yard catch) 6 POC, 4 YAC, 10 YWF (10 yard catch) (-) POC, 0 YAC, 0 YWF (pass incomplete out of bounds) 15 POC, 4 YAC, 19 YWF (19 yard catch) 8 POC, 6 YAC, 14 YWF (14 yard catch) -2 POC, 0 YAC, 2 YWF (0 yard catch) -6 POC, 6 YAC, 12 YWF (6 yard catch) 4th quarter: 8 POC, 7 YAC, 15 YWF (15 yard catch) 8 POC, 0 YAC, 7 YWF (8 yard catch) 6 POC, 4 YAC, 10 YWF (10 yard catch) 4 POC, 0 YAC, 0 YWF (4 yard catch) 13 POC, 0 YAC, 0 YWF (pass interference called) So a quick glance at the numbers does not suggest that our game plan changed significantly in terms of run/pass play selection frequency (and how often do we hear "why get conservative and play kill the clock with the run? Throw it!" when the run gets stuffed, and then "why throw it when the run has been going so well? Chew up yards on the ground and kill the clock, don't overthink things!" when we try not to play conservative run - people will play both sides of the argument so long as it suits their "LaPo sucks" agenda at the time in question) or pass game startegy. It certainly suggests that the short pass and check down is used a lot and that we don't stretch the defence, save for Adams bomb to Harris. Funny that Nichols gets roasted for that style of "game management" but nary a peep about strong-armed Streveler not throwing further downfield than 15 yards once in this game. And hey, this short pass game plan worked gangbusters in the first half when we rolled up the points. Also (as a pre-emptive strike for those who will argue we need to anticipate the Montreal halftime adjustment and NOT stick with what was working because they will catch on), the last time we were rolling with the short pass and then shook things up against BC by inserting Streveler for Nichols, we had a quick turnover and lost the lead by NOT staying the course, so damned if you do, damned if you don't. So is it the coaches "changing things" that cause our offence to bog down, or the players losing focus, or blown assignments? I won't make a definitive statement, but you can likely guess from this post that I am not about to crucify the coaches alone for this loss. Make what you will of the numbers, if anyone can use these stats to show me how the game plan suddenly flipped from ultra aggressive to ultra conservative based on these numbers, please feel free to break it down for me. Just back it up with what is actually happening, not just what you feel is happening to match the narrative you have already created in your head to justify your bias.

https://www.cfl.ca/2019/09/23/cfl-suspends-qb-vernon-adams-jr-altercation-bighill/ At least the league took notice. That ref should be fired though. (I didn't know if this was talked about already so feel free to merge into the relevant thread...thx mods)

going to get even crazier now.

I’d like to see us take more chances on offence because, playing safe, hasn’t really worked out for us.

You play to win the game. Plop in the 2nd half of games play calls to not lose it. You can maintain winning seasons doing that, but you dont win championships that way. Thats how you get run out of town by the same team for a 3rd time.

Do you think it should matter if contact was made if a player swings a helmet at another player with intent?

Update: still pissed off. I am finding this one harder to shake than usual.

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I take it as a compliment, even though I know that's not how it was meant. Also a proud tree hugger, SJW and virtue signaller.

What specifically are you referring to? Hansen has said a great deal of things.... Bunch of Gretas? Totally necessary and totally on brand for you.

Ridiculous. The same people who are advocating for renewable energy are not the one's advocating for war or ignoring refugee crises. They're the ones who have been fighting for humanity and the environment (they go hand in hand) for 50 years. It's the Republicans and hard line conservatives who consider the poor and the non-whites expendable. Your words are absolutely empty of any kind of truth. There won't be any need for combines of any kind if crops don't grow because of extended droughts or flooding due to climate change.

No way, I want to witness him throw 6 interceptions in the loudest stadium in the league. Then razz him about it as he's coming off the field.

I'm not sure what it says about Canadians exactly. They're not choosing yes or no on Trudeau, they're choosing between him and someone like Sheer.

Precisely

why wouldn't they love him? They're getting free cash from him! But it's not socialism though, oh nosiree.

Humans have a biological need to defecate. Humans don't have an inherent need for fossil fuels. That's the point you and pigseye keep missing. It was a shitty false equivalence - no pun intended. That's rich coming from the guy constantly spewing diarrhea from his mouth as he trolls this thread and others. And in the spirit of discussion, there's way more that led to the boom of the human population in the 19th century than the discovery of fossil fuels. But I would expect someone as versed in climate studies as you purport to be to already know that.

I hope the ref was demoted to holding the sticks.

This would be a good place to spend carbon tax dollars: https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/tree-planting-climate-change-1.5201102

I remember yelling at the tv, "Mike Miller? WTF???" Frigging LaPo.

Had to stay away from here for the remainder of the weekend to let myself cool down. I can't remember being that upset over a loss in a long long time. Still unbelievable that they lost. However, this time last year things were looking even worse. Bombers still control their destiny, they've made the playoffs. Just need to stop thinking the game is one with 30 minutes left in it. Also I really like the way Streveler is developing. Made a few mistakes, but also made a few great plays. Here's hoping he continues movin on up.

We brought my 9 year old daughter and some friends(plus all her cousins and grandparents) to a game in Edmonton for her bday. I talked to the bombers social media guy about how it was her bday party at the game and they treated us like royalty. The girls got to enter from the team dressing room and stand at the bench during warm up. The players came and wished her happy bday and then Whitehead gave her the game ball after the game for her bday. Some of the players gave the other girls at the party some gloves and other swag too. It was honestly the best bday party ever because of the way we were treated.....

This makes me feel better...not...

Adams suspended for the next game. Isn't the eye in the sky supposed to notice this stuff in game? What a joke that idea was.