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That's your first mistake in going down the rabbit hole...trying to find "context" in Zontar's posts. Your second mistake is then engaging in a conversation by asking for sources or context. Just accept that it simply is a troll effort designed to deflect, frustrate and obfuscate. Remember, never argue with an idiot, they'll only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. A simple guide to the methodology: 1. Avoid the issue - Circuit judge has called out Barr for "misleading". Read between the lines: "You at worst lied about or at best severely underplayed what was in the report to cover for Trump, and redacted material that did not need to be redacted to avoid the truth of the document. So I am going to review the whole unredacted thing to determine what should be made public, not what you decided was in your "sanitized" 4 page summary version, because I don't trust that you had America's interests at heart in seeking the truth." Zontar ignores this and spins the "whastaboutism" of the Tower meeting. Surprised we didn't get a basic "But her e-mails!" rant, an oldey but a goodey for the Trump base. 2. Float an alternative conspiracy to distract from the issue at hand - in this case the "fake" Tower meeting. But if you want to follow the "logic" of the Trump Tower meeting, the claim appears to be that the meeting never happened and is another lie of the liberal MSM, with an "independent witness" proving the hoax to add credibility to the claim. Funny, no mention of who this independent source is, or where Zontar is citing that source from (and don't waste your breath asking for one or hold it expecting an answer, Zontar is predictably silent when asked to back up claims - illegal immigrant voting claim the most obvious example). 3. Point fingers about how the other side is corrupt. "Oooh, they are attacking Barr, but don't forget about CIA leaks which are worse, and bad info upon which warrants were obtained. So none of what you hear matters because it was a house built on sand." Another classic version of this was the anonymous whistleblower about the Ukraine call. "Wait, if they don't testify, then they must be tainted, and their evidence is then phony! WITCH HUNT!!!!!!" Except that isn't how the law works. Tips are nothing more than that - tips. They aren't evidence. They are claims to initiate an investigation. If further investigation turns up something, then you compile that information and present it before a judge with a request to obtain a warrant on the basis that something criminal is afoot. If the judge doesn't see anything substantive to corroborate the original tip, then no warrant and the source is considered not good enough, or not backed up enough. If they do see something, then they grant the warrant. The source never need be identified because they are not giving evidence, they are simply offering something upon which an investigation commences. It is the investigation that gets presented as evidence. The material the source provides gets tested, not the source itself. So it ultimately doesn't even matter if the source was questionable, the judge found there was enough underlying evidence to overcome any deficiencies of the source and grant the warrant anyway. But since the evidence is damning and the GOP can't argue it isn't, you attack the process. Like a tip saying there is a marijuana grow-op at a certain house. Police will take that tip and weigh it with further evidence they gather (maybe they do a drive-by and confirm that the location given is what was described, maybe they smell marijuana around the target house, maybe they use infrared cameras and see high heat signatures, maybe they check hydro and see ridiculously large readings, maybe they do a title search and find the owner has been busted for past grow-ops. So they get a warrant and find a massive grow-op. Now, the court could chuck the warrant if they find that the evidence was obtained badly (we trespassed and looked in a window and saw the plants) and the case could be tossed, but we all still know the guy did it. And the whole Trump saga isn't a criminal case, so the same level of Charter scrutiny doesn't apply anyway. So remember when they attack the process, they want you believe it didn't happen, but they can't say that it didn't happen because it absolutely did and all they have left is to scream "Look! Something shiny! Please focus on that and not the actual crimes which totally happened." If all that doesn't work to distract, then the next steps are: 4. This has been going on forever on both sides, so you are hypocritical for calling out the GOP and not the Dems before them 5. Yeah, so what, get over it (amazing that we now have a real life precedent for this exact phrase from Mick Mulvaney).

I'll go you one better. Without the rouge, Saskatchewan does not put a returner in the end zone in the Grey Cup against Montreal, and then their 12 on the line to block the kick is legal, and we are deprived of the greatest bonehead penalty in sports history that snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. Anyone want to dump the rouge now?

Exactly. Sock-shoe, sock-shoe suggests that you don't put socks on when you get dressed or you get dressed at your front door. Both are pure lunacy.

If you weigh the number of times the rouge actually affects a game versus the excitement generated by the scenario and excitement caused by trying to kick a rouge and the defenders returning the attempt, through a kick out of the end zone, well, there’s no contest. Do you think they would have named a part of Winnipeg after the rouge if it wasn’t important? Give me the rouge. we already have the Fort. FORTHEW

some interesting "behind the scenes" stuff from Darren Cameron....... https://www.bluebombers.com/2020/03/06/blog-road-grey-cup/?fbclid=IwAR1kLf2FoQdXWlzfwSYe-vnVp_2RJsNwDIJrDUbUnvxenyXh4MzCUNHGW6s

Nonsense. Sock-sock, shoe-shoe is the proper sequence. C'mon! LOL!

I think that at random times during the game, the Bombers should just be rewarded with a point for sheer awesomeness. Said point to be deducted from the Riders, regardless who they are playing, due to the fact that they suck.

Without the rouge, what would Jon Ryan's value be?

Captain Contrarian is back. And this time... it's personal

yeah, the ideal response to the troll demonstrates the troll's bad faith to bystanders and doesn't engage the substance of the troll. They're there to reblog the current talking points, which is why they can't engage substantively; they're not capable of it. those talking points are powerful and semi-truthy and they gain power every time they're repeated without challenge. the people who make them are extremely clever and good at hitting people's buttons. Creeps like Goebbels and Atwater and Karl Rove talk openly about this, these techniques are not secret. they're just effective. "conspiracy diarrhea" is a great term, I'm stealing it.

If we were really a Canadian game, we would line up a metre off the ball... The field is already 100 metres long anyway... would be an easy conversion. Get on it Randy!!

British Writer Pens The Best Description Of Trump I’ve Read MARCH 8, 2019 ~ MICHAEL STEVENSON "Someone on Quora asked “Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response: A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief. Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty. Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness. There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, **** Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege. And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down. So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that: • Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are. • You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man. This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of ****. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump. And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created? If being a **** was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set." https://thehobbledehoy.com/2019/03/08/british-writer-pens-the-best-description-of-trump-ive-read/?fbclid=IwAR3T9wIeTbT-LM8pYW7lMFvke6Mg40PJie2fNJBJx3YpCbWwxIiD-7DzXsY

The one thing I don't like is maintaining the 5 yard clear zone on all additional returns, it should be done away with after the initial kick so that a highlight of the CFL game can play out without being over-written by a stupid penalty call. Sometimes the officials need to get out of the way and let chaos ensue.

I think being a former CFL QB and having been in the fire and having a feel for how things develop and progress during a game will serve him better, and from my experience in game adjusting and scheming to beat or counter what a team is doing against you gets a bit over played..save for the time when a team does something totally new and you have no film on, so you don't know it's tendencies, so you have to go trial by fire to see what works... Thats why when I hear broadcasters yammer on about making all these "adjustment" at halftime kind of make me laugh...if you have smart players, and good communication in the huddle the players can adjust and tweak what they were doing themselves on the field to combat whatever varying a defense is doing from their norm..and vice versa..

I think I see him in this picture.....no, wait.

There might have been a sighting.

Well that ends that and this boring debate.

In a big game the panic and excitement to get ball out of endzone to avoid the one point loss is reason enough to keep it.

"Veteran leadership"

Loved this pic when I first saw it. It’s a beaut. In Regina, I hear they have wall murals similar to these. However, they also have mirrors on the opposite wall. Magically, it looks like they have more cup wins than they’ve actually earned..

Sounds like Brandon Bridge has moved on from football... good luck to him in his next career... https://3downnation.com/2020/03/06/rookie-again-brandon-bridge-trading-in-helmet-for-police-badge/

Herringbone is the hip trend...

Come to think about it.....been starting to have doubts about the traditional physical shape of the football.....

I know what you are referring to , I think these are late April usually (although I think they may not be allowed anymore). I remember them being pre-rookie , rookie camps.

Get outta here!

And the field should be artificial snow instead of artificial turf.

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Man, this offseason is getting loooonnnggg.... and we don't even have draft picks to talk about By April, we'll be arguing about whether the refs should change to horizontal stripes...

I beg to differ lol!

I'm just going to periodically drop this in threads from time to time to remind everyone.

I totally agree with this - after the first punt it becomes so chaotic that the most likely outcome is a no-yards penalty... which is really unfortunate.

I can see this. But I don't necessarily it would improve the game at all. What about games where a rouge would tie and send it into OT? I wouldn't be upset if they made the changes Nye is suggesting. I just don't think it's necessary.

Tough crowd here this morning

why don't you go cry about it already.

I tend to look at it differently. Here's Nye's article, which I tend to agree with. https://www.cfl.ca/2020/03/04/nye-time-change-rouge/

I think the real test for Buck will be the in-game adjustments and play calling...

Driving the ball 105 yards then fumbling or throwing an interception or missing a FG and the ball going through the end zone without being touched, should all have the same result... Zero points. It's not the drive that matters, it's the failure at the end of the drive that matters. If you kick off and the ball goes through the end zone without being touched, you get no points, despite the fact that kicking a ball through the end zone is a huge kick. Why should you get a point if you kick it through the end zone from closer in? You wear socks in the house? That's crazy.

Which was mentioned before by myself and others that the Offence with Lapo as the O/C was a group collective thing, with a Lapo philosophy/mindset, so a Pierce as OC shouldn't be fraught with growing pains as all the guys are back (sans lapo) and we added the Calgary assistant who I bet adds something different for our attack...I see no issues here at all and with the Lapo departure I think he takes his passive/predictable approach with him, and our offence is all of a sudden dynamic, and unpredictable

I am trying to understand your post here, but if you don't provide context- it looks a lot like tinfoil hat conspiracy diarrhea.

Yes. Very embarrassing for them. Quite red in the face, or as the Als would say, "rouge".

12 on the line..13 on the line...nobody on the line...fact of the matter the Rider's had a Cup won, and basically gave it back to Montreal due to stupidity and ineptness...which follows basically 109 years of that in their 4 Cup wins history...which if not for the Kevin Glenn injury would have been 3 wins...and that is just glorious

https://3downnation.com/2020/03/05/stampeders-cflpa-headed-to-arbitration-over-lb-nate-holley-case-report/ Stamps are going to hurt themselves continuing to do stuff like this.

I definitely can’t justify spending $400 on a jacket. If the price was more reasonable, even half that I’d definitely bite the bullet.

This is why we need the rouge:

Man I'm gonna miss that kid! What an energy he brought to the team.

Changing the Rouge is probably trendy......and pointless.

I like this video. A lot. This was a great ******* day.

Came here again hoping for good news. No news.