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I'm an aboriginal man, and i consider the term eskimo to be in the same vein as calling a Canadian a canuck or an American a yankee. It's more of a nickname that can be used as a slur depending on context. I'm not opposed to changing the name, but i don't feel its necessary.5 points
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blue_gold_84 and 3 others reacted to TrueBlue4ever for a topic
The bolded part is an open question I have. Who really are the "many who seem to think" that the name is offensive? I hear a lot of social justice warriors (Troy Westwood springs to mind) claim that the name is offensive to many, but have the actual potentially offended group actually been asked? Here is what Jordan Tootoo, Inuit NHL player, had to say, and it's a lot more eloquent and thought out than most people on either side of the debate who have taken a hard stand have presented: My position is this. We should all understand what the term means to the Inuk people. My father’s generation connects this term to describe who they are. He would refer to himself as an Eskimo. My generation refers to itself as Inuk. What is important to me is that people understand this. And, when referring to the Inuit people to the Inuit people, they respect that we refer to ourselves today as Inuk. I understand there are names of sports teams that bring back feelings of oppression for people and I can see why those names should be changed. So, this makes me ask the question, does the term Eskimo for the Edmonton franchise bring back feelings of oppression for Inuk people? For me, it does not. That is NOT a reason to keep the name. There could be others for whom it does create those feelings. But for me, it does not. I encourage the franchise to explain why they chose the name Eskimos in the first place. Was it racially charged, or, was it because of admiration for the ability of the Eskimos to thrive in cold climates, for their mental and physical toughness and for their resilience? My point is that context really does matter. And, they need to be honest with themselves and with the public. Truth goes a long way. In closing, the name of the Edmonton Eskimos is not objectionable to me. This does not mean they should keep the name. But, I think the discussion should be around how the Inuk people feel about it. Some might feel pride. Some might feel hurt. Either way, that is the group that should be consulted. My opinion is that the discussion is important, but that we should not knee-jerk react because someone tells me that others are offended without hearing from the supposed "offended" group, and I do see a lot of that happening. When North Dakota looked at the "Fighting Sioux" nickname, they actually talked with the 10 Native tribes in the area, and apparently 8 of the 10 were happy with the name and saw it as a sign of respect bestowed on the local indigenous peoples. Two did not share that view, and the name got changed. No one died as a result of the debate either way, so in the end this is not a big world issue. My concern is the slippery slope. Does Fighting Irish stereotype a sect of society? Yankee is considered a derogatory term for northern U.S.'ers from the south (or for the U.S. as a whole from foreign nations), but since the North won the Civil War, does it get a pass since the North is not marginalized as the victors? Or because Yankees are seen as mainly white people, and have not been subjected to institutionalized racism, so slang words for them are not deemed offensive? Canadiens either singles out French Canadians, or excludes English-speaking Canadians - either way you are marginalizing one group. Canuck was a Dutch term meant to insult French Canadians I have read somewhere, and it is often used by Americans as a jokingly derogatory term for all Canadians (oh those Yankees!), but if we are in on the joke, does that matter? The UN Human Rights Code describes discrimination based on its effect, and not its intent, so even if no one sees derogatory intent in the nickname "Canuck", even those it would want to disparage, I guess according to the UN that doesn't matter. But how far do we take all this? And the last time I checked, Native American groups in the US are fighting for their land and opposing an oil pipeline, and had to deal with systematic extermination from the white settlers, aided by the US Cavalry and cowboys, and that doesn't seem to garner the same concern as the name Fighting Sioux did. Perhaps we can fix the real problems and not get in a twist over the dog and pony show of team nicknames so we look like we are socially woke? I'm not saying "well we can't fix everything, so why fix anything?" and willing to ignore this issue, but let's be grounded in our discussions and not assume what others think, and deign to speak for them.4 points -
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rebusrankin and 2 others reacted to HardCoreBlue for a topic
I like the Riders Suck idea. I think I’ll do that maybe along with something disparaging said about the Nashville Predators.3 points -
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Tracker and 2 others reacted to blue_gold_84 for a topic
This is excellent. Now we wait to see him lash out at those two on Twitter... If he hasn't already.3 points -
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Fred C Dobbs and 2 others reacted to Bigblue204 for a topic
Yes it was. Calgary didnt call them the eskimos out of respect. They did so as an insult. In the same way I call the riders criders. Or inbreds. Or sister cousins. Or stupid. Or bad at football. Or ugly. Or bad at math. Or incapable of holding intelligent conversations. Etc etc etc.3 points -
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bustamente and one other reacted to rebusrankin for a topic
Actually saw a car with NY plates that had a sign on it saying that the owners were Canadians here visiting when out biking this week. I think a sign is a good idea, I mean not one that say Noeller but you know, ex Manitoban here visiting or Riders Suck.2 points -
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Noeller and one other reacted to blue_gold_84 for a topic
In his statement, however, he also said his not being offended by the term does not mean the team should keep its name. He does think the discussion should take place and those affected should be consulted. Needless to say, it is by no means a cut and dry issue.2 points -
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rebusrankin and one other reacted to HardCoreBlue for a topic
I’m coming home around that time as well. I’m thinking of painting my vehicle blue and gold for good measure.2 points -
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Fred C Dobbs and one other reacted to Noeller for a topic
Coming home for Labour Day and the two weeks following, and hoping the Bombers sticker on my wife's car will keep us from having the tires slashed at any point.....2 points -
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HardCoreBlue and one other reacted to Tracker for a topic
Yeah. 'Cause you have cooties by now.2 points -
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Pickle Rick and one other reacted to Eternal optimist for a topic
Well I don't know about the other people in here but I am definitely offended.2 points -
Sorry, but as much as I love Joe Pop......the correct answer is actually Dr. Ken Nielsen2 points
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Blueandgold and one other reacted to TrueBlue4ever for a topic
Careful throwing around the "stupid" label. That is unnecessary in my view. We are allowed to express opinions and should not be slagged if it differs for another's. There are people who believe in vaccination, but some who don't. Should we automatically change polio and measles protocols for kids because some are offended by vaccinations? That could be a parallel to your position. (I exaggerate of course, but the way to win that argument is to back up the scientific evidence pro and con in the vaccine discussion, rather than throwing out the "stupid take" vitriol as a fact when it amounts to opinion only). How about discussing why someone else's point of view may be misguided, not just calling it an incredibly stupid take because you don't see things that way. Cite the people who are offended and why they are offended, and not just assume they must be because you have decided for them. Discussion, not name-calling please.2 points -
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blue_gold_84 and one other reacted to Brandon for a topic
O'Shea is brilliant but even he can't fix stupid....2 points -
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blue_gold_84 and one other reacted to MOBomberFan for a topic
LOL I saw someone suggest a wealthy indigenous group (are there any? I legit don't know) buy the Redskins and name them the Washington Black Lives Matter so that ignorant white people get a taste of their own medicine. I say it's worth a shot, hell I'd even buy a hat.2 points -
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Fred C Dobbs and one other reacted to FrostyWinnipeg for a topic
The City of Winnipeg has lost the legal battle against the Manitoba Homebuilder's Association regarding Growth Fees. City now required to refund over $30m in fees to homebuilders in emerging areas collected since '17 and the interest collected in that time.2 points -
Doug Flutie, the guy could do it all... if he was a little bit taller, we'd have never seen him up here.2 points
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BigBlueFanatic and one other reacted to 17to85 for a topic
Jokes on you, alberta doesn't do what's right.2 points -
Edmonton Roughriders is my pick2 points
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Tracker reacted to FrostyWinnipeg for a topic
https://www.cnn.com/videos/arts/2020/07/09/melania-trump-statue-in-slovenia-removed-after-being-set-on-fire-lon-orig-na.cnn1 point -
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rebusrankin reacted to Noeller for a topic
You're not wrong.......but man it's insane that this is the world we're living in now.1 point -
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Blueandgold reacted to SpeedFlex27 for a topic
Tootoo's not but he said it isn't offensive. The message I take from him is that he wouldn't change it. To me, 10% are making 90% of the noise. It's always like that.1 point -
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Noeller reacted to HardCoreBlue for a topic
I’m sensing they don’t want us Albertans anywhere near them right now.1 point -
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Yup, no immunity from State prosecutions...... and NY has more than this one in the queue..1 point
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Tracker reacted to bustamente for a topic
Trump has gotten done what he needed to get from the SCOTUS before the election, this decision makes it even more important for him the stay on as President by any means possible1 point -
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blue_gold_84 reacted to Bigblue204 for a topic
came across this just now on the twitter machine1 point -
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https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/506504-lincoln-project-offers-list-of-gop-senators-who-protect-trump My name is Do or Die, and I approve this message....1 point
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Bubba Zanetti reacted to Tracker for a topic
Wasn't much of a player in BC, either. He will go down in CFL history as one if not the biggest waste of talent.1 point -
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Bubba Zanetti reacted to rebusrankin for a topic
Good one. Given his size, measureables, natural ability and family pedigree, I really feel like he should have had a long NFL career. Feels like he wasted his chances and ability to an extent.1 point -
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johnzo reacted to SpeedFlex27 for a topic
I could tell you guys the whole story about Greg & Tyler. And what he meant to many young qbs & their families in the 30 plus years he coached. But I don't want to bore anyone which is why my post is so brief.1 point -
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Eternal optimist reacted to 17to85 for a topic
Was going to say, don't forget that they are conservatives and the conservative mantra is rules for thee, not for me.1 point -
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blue_gold_84 reacted to rebusrankin for a topic
Not a huge Westwood fan to be honest.1 point -
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blue_gold_84 reacted to Mark H. for a topic
Favourites: Milt Stegall; Andrew Harris Classy professionals who gave their all to this organization. The flip side: any of the awful DBs we employed - for seemingly endless stretches of time. Ditto to the OLs that wrecked Khari Jones and Drew Willy.1 point -
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blue_gold_84 reacted to Bomber_fanaddict for a topic
Darian Durant Ok I'll see myself out...1 point -
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blue_gold_84 reacted to TrueBlue4ever for a topic
Pinball Clemons. Every interview he did made you feel better about the world when he was done.1 point