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Since you guys asked and I'm bored ... I went through and looked at the statistics for every game. The amount of times O'Shea opted to punt instead of attempting a 45-49 yard field goal equals a grand total of zero These are the only ones times we punted from 45 yards in or closer all year. Week 1 - punted from OTT 45 Week 2 - punted from OTT 43 Week 3 - punted from HAM 45 WF - punted from BC 44 up 8 points with 2:02 left in the 4Q (that is to say, it would've been idiotic to kick a FG here) GC - punted from TOR 43 in the 1Q down 3-0

I'm kind of trying to figure out what point you're trying to make here... literally not one single person has said Leigghio is perfect and no improvement is required... yet that's the premise you are arguing on... I think we're almost all in agreement that we need to see improvement from him next season and most of us would like to see competition in camp.

Damn that Brodbeck for becoming a left-wing radical.

THEY HAD A PARADE?

McLeod Bethel Thompson will not play in the @CFL in 2023. He will play for the New Orleans Breakers of @USFL. @CFLonTSN oof

a platoon of Kelly and Evans would probably make the most sense for Tor... Kelly is likely already cheap and Evans (assuming he is released) shouldn't be too expensive either.

Dane Evans might be mentally fragile, but he's a far better QB than MBT or his ancestors. I'll take Dane's anxiety/depression over MBT's crazy every day of the week... Chad Kelly SEEMS like an arrogant prick, based on some quotes so far, and I'm not sure if he can actually back up some of the things he's said...

With McLeod, we were the presumptive favorites to win the East. Now, we may have the best overall roster, but without a proven QB1 we're in a fight.

Don't give the clowns a circus to perform at... I'll leave it at that 🙂

Dane Evans, c'mon down.......

Sayles miss the block. Prukop threw the INT. Both gone, so those problems are solved!

it's incredible how much "looking back" on the GC we've done in the thread called "Don't Look Back...." ps - Casey Sayles missed his block, otherwise we make that kick...

He certainly kicks how I imagine Dan Clark would.

Year's ago, I'd never say "This Tom Brodbeck column is a must read", but he has seemed to have gained his senses now that he's out of the Sun bubble. This is a must read (I have highlighted what I feel is the the most important point being made): Too many Canadians don’t understand that freedom has to have limits Tom Brodbeck Posted: 7:00 PM CST Tuesday, Feb. 21, 2023 Freedom. It was probably the most commonly uttered word during the COVID-19 pandemic: freedom to ignore public-health orders, freedom to abstain from vaccine mandates, freedom to visit dying loved-ones in nursing homes, freedom to protest government interventions. Anger over how those freedoms were curtailed during the pandemic boiled over in 2022, resulting in dozens of large-scale protests across the country, including a three-week occupation of downtown Ottawa. For many, freedom was on trial. It’s no surprise, then, that Justice Paul Rouleau — in his voluminous report released last week on the federal government’s use of the Emergencies Act — devoted an entire chapter to the subject of freedom. It should be required reading in every school across the country. “Tensions between order and freedom sit at the heart of our system of governance,” Rouleau wrote in his near-2,000-page report. His chapter on the relationship between freedom and order is a master class on how individual liberties work in a free and democratic society. “Freedom cannot exist without order, because the machinery of order — such as procedures, laws, police, and courts — create the conditions for the protection of freedom, the enjoyment of freedom, and the mediation of conflicting freedoms,” Rouleau wrote. “While order constrains freedom — laws, for example, limit the range of permissible actions — without order’s constraints, freedom cannot exist.” The relationship between order and freedom is not always well understood, especially among those who believe freedom is an unfettered right. Federal Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre exploits that ignorance, pledging to eliminate all “gatekeepers” to create the “freest country in the world.” His insinuation is that freedom can exist in a vacuum. It can’t. Freedom needs order to exist. It’s a prerequisite to a properly functioning democracy. It’s not unique to emergency measures, such as those used during natural disasters or public-health emergencies. It’s a tradeoff that exists in everyday life — most people just don’t give it much thought. “The fundamental and inevitable tension between order and freedom is a constant; it is simply more visible, and more stark in a time of emergency,” wrote Rouleau. “In times of emergency, however, freedoms that are usually unconstrained may suddenly be curtailed. This puts a spotlight on the clash of values.” That’s when self-professed freedom fighters jump into action, believing — wrongly — that government is trampling on their constitutional rights. That’s not to say people don’t have a right to protest measures employed by governments during emergencies. Quite the contrary, Rouleau points out. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees freedom of assembly, freedom of association and freedom of expression, even if that means disruption to society. Sometimes disruption is necessary to effect change, especially when it comes to marginalized segments of society, Rouleau wrote. The right to protest is a cornerstone of our democracy. But it’s also subject to reasonable limits as prescribed by law. When the exercise of those rights causes undue harm to society — including putting the safety and health of society at risk, as it did during the Ottawa occupation — order trumps freedom. If it didn’t, the broader freedoms enjoyed by all Canadians would be in jeopardy. “When the use of emergency powers becomes necessary, this is generally because the order necessary to freedom is under a special threat,” wrote Rouleau. “The threshold for invocation is the point at which order breaks down and freedom cannot be secured or is seriously threatened.” That’s a concept some Canadians have trouble understanding. They have been misled into believing freedom has no limits. Part of the reason for that misconception is we don’t do a good job of teaching those principles of democracy in school as part of a broader social studies curriculum. Many Canadians don’t have a good grasp of how our parliamentary democracy works, including the division of powers between the federal and provincial governments and the application of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. That was evident during many of the protests throughout the pandemic. Rouleau’s report was a stark reminder of that. tom.brodbeck@freepress.mb.ca

Yeah, block for him so the kick doesn't get blocked. Reality is we don't know what would have happened with that kick had it not been blocked. It started left sure but tons of kicks do bend back. We can't say what would have happened. Fact is the kick was blocked so none of that matters. #1 problem on that play was the lack of blocking.

Hey Teach Is there a lesson to be learned when their kicker chokes on a potential Grey Cup winning kick?

Maybe the most accurate, thought provoking thing I've read on here today. Maybe that's why I read it 6 x over Mods please leave his post as is so people can lol at my joke

As per Craig Dickenson: Last week the Riders added another Canadian receiver to their arsenal with the signing of Juwan Brescacin and Dickenson believes that he was an under the radar type of signing. “Not too many years ago he was thought of maybe the best Canadian receiver on Calgary’s roster. ” Back in 2018, Brescacin had 35 receptions for 567 receiving yards and three touchdowns with Calgary. Another former Stampeder, the Roughriders have high hopes this season is Shawn Bane Jr. Dickenson said they plan to use him in a similar role that was occupied by Kyran Moore in 2022. “An inside receiver position where he can get balls on handoffs, he can run vertical routes and clear the tops. ” The biggest free agent signing for the Roughriders at wide receiver was Jake Wieneke. Even though he is a newcomer to the green and white, Dickenson thinks the former Alouette will make a seamless transition to Saskatchewan. Does he not realize 2018...was like 5 yrs ago?....and their is a reason KSB didnt get a sniff, and Lenius barely got his cleats tied before he was set free?...from the article boasting how he likes the thought of his Canadian receivers and the big fish they added...Jake W....that he has amassed a real sad sack group, with very little upside?....my oh my....can't wait to read his O-line musings next

The guy would have lost the GC had he played the whole game. Got a ring, ditched on the parade then called it a day in the CFL

When Conservatives say the quiet part out loud. It's always their policy that it's cheaper to let the poor die.

Not sure if Chad Kelly is the answer. He sure took advantage of his opportunity in the Grey Cup against a defense that game-planned to stop MBT. Thrust into the starters role? That's a whole different ballgame.

I'm not sure Adler and Broadbeck changed, so much as the Right went really far to the right, and Moderate Con's were left looking like Lefties when it was all said and done...

Sooo....now we know that Ellingson has had one too many concussions:

We know taxes are evil because they take money from the rich to provide services to the poor and other untouchable classes.

Watch the game again. Every kick that direction went left to right. I'll give you that it was low, but the wide part isn't as clear cut as people like to believe.

People often forget that for a rookie kicker to come in and take Legz job. He has to be so good that the coaches forget about his passport. And if he is that good, chances are that rookie will be heading south sooner than later... these are things teams have to keep in mind. It's just part of the game. Legs doing all 3 jobs AND being Canadian absolutely gives him a longer leash.

Is there one for buck taking the ball out of collaros hands and having prukop throw? We had a TON of chokes in the gc. Zach threw for 183 1 pick no tds. Schoen had 2 bad drops and wasn’t the only wr with one. Wj had 0 tackles 1 teams tackle no pass kds no sacks no tfl no pressures. Bighill had a similar line with just 1 tackle. Rose was attacked a lot. Easily a half dozen guys had the chance to make 1 play and win the game for us. You can’t look at legs and blame him. The block wasn’t on him either. I think he counts as a naturalized thai-bo jazzercise gymkata instructor in the cfl. Atleast as much as he counts as a player any way.

My bad then. False memories I guess.

He had Matt Nichols as his starting QB and his best receiver was Darvin Adam’s. No disrespect to either of those guys but big difference. We played in a lot of closer games where we needed the 3 points and we left a lot of points on the board as it was settling for 3 instead of 7 in the redzone. Something we don’t often do anymore. He had Matt Nichols as his starting QB and his best receiver was Darvin Adam’s. No disrespect to either of those guys but big difference. We played in a lot of closer games where we needed the 3 points and we left a lot of points on the board as it was settling for 3 instead of 7 in the redzone. Something we don’t often do anymore. He had Matt Nichols as his starting QB and his best receiver was Darvin Adam’s. No disrespect to either of those guys but big difference. We played in a lot of closer games where we needed the 3 points and we left a lot of points on the board as it was settling for 3 instead of 7 in the redzone. Something we don’t often do anymore. He had Matt Nichols as his starting QB and his best receiver was Darvin Adam’s. No disrespect to either of those guys but big difference. We played in a lot of closer games where we needed the 3 points and we left a lot of points on the board as it was settling for 3 instead of 7 in the redzone. Something we don’t often do anymore. He had Matt Nichols as his starting QB and his best receiver was Darvin Adam’s. No disrespect to either of those guys but big difference. We played in a lot of closer games where we needed the 3 points and we left a lot of points on the board as it was settling for 3 instead of 7 in the redzone. Something we don’t often do anymore. He had Matt Nichols as his starting QB and his best receiver was Darvin Adam’s. No disrespect to either of those guys but big difference. We played in a lot of closer games where we needed the 3 points and we left a lot of points on the board as it was settling for 3 instead of 7 in the redzone. Something we don’t often do anymore.

If the bar is Justin Medlock some of you are destined to be disappointed in the kicking for a long long long time

There is nothing worse than kicker talk.

It's funny how things change, depending on who's signing the paycheck. Charles Adler is another one who has done a sharp left turn over the years.

I'm not denying that he sucked in the Grey Cup. His punting was an abomination. I just think it is unfair and unrealistic to blame a kicker because his kick was blocked. He did not lose us that game....at least not by himself that's for sure.

Judging by earlier kicks starting left was what he needed to do in that wind. The attempt did look low, but that is not uncommon for kickers to do on windy days either. We have zero idea whether his kick was good or not because an opposing player was able to get through the line almost unblocked and knock that kick down. Putting that on the kicker is wholly unfair. You could gauge that from the 6 feet of distance that kick travelled and from a TV angle that wasn't straight away. Wow...you should be working for NASA. Bad memory or memory bias? Food for thought.

All this chatter sounds like the teacher from The Peanuts. Just squawking. I'm counting the days until the season starts.

Lots of nit picking - Remember was it the Burke days where in the 4th quarter we would just roll on our back with bellies up and submit to the other team. Good lord Legs isn't that bad and maybe next Grey Cup we can not throw stupid passes like the Prukop int and maybe carry a large lead?

Mourtada could be the next Dan Clark, one never knows.

When your "special military operation" is actually an unmitigated disaster and you can't pretend otherwise any longer.

That's a low low low bar.

The lesson here is feels don't always equal reals. This is why it's important to show your work. As Mike has shown early in the season they opted to punt from a short field, but nothing after that save a situational decision and one in the cold of a Grey Cup.

He is Moe Elewenobi right now

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I tend to side with more competition at K the better, that being said I'm curious to see these stats and scenarios where oshea passed on 45 and less kicks. I imagine it isn't very many

According to the 2 time Grey cup champion General Manager Kyle Walters, you know the guy who built a team that won more regular season games than any other Blue Bomber GM in the history of the franchise, that is the plan for TC.

my kids won't eat that

A suburb in Arizona lost its source of water. Residents warn: We're only the beginning.

He understands the high risk low reward situation of trying 50 yarders with regularity. Unless your name is Justin medlock. Also note that in 22 the average nfl kickers make rate from 50 was just 72%. I would bet it’s handily 15-20% worse in the cfl in the last two seasons. Then legs also hit from 55 last year and has 3 game winning 50s in his time here. A confederacy of dunces also generates a common consensus. Yep. And he understands the risk of td or big returns on fg kicks that long. Plus he has good reason to have faith in our defense holding teams that are pinned deep. The amount of safety’s forced by the D directly or by stopping a team pinned inside the 10 is tremendous during the mos era. Not to mention turn overs and defensive tds. personally I love the gamble to get a safety and the ball for our offense over trying a long fg. Plus the option for teams to punt to grant with him getting the ball around center field is tremendous. Unless the punt is shanked, or the other teams offense gets back to back first downs punting instead of trying a 50 yard field goal is generally a winning move. Especially here. the punts I don’t like are the mid field ones. Our 50 to their 35 after the return isn’t a good exchange but one most every ones goes for. Especially on 3rd and 6-7 or less. A mostly automatic pass for collaros.

And yet Jason Maas decided to Cho Cho Choose him.

Expensive trash.

Love it.