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remember the dark days of 2013 when the Redblacks couldn't even find someone to draft from us? (and I have no hard feelings towards Desjardins for pointing out the reality of the situation; our talent level was brutal then) Now our cuts are immediately popping up on other clubs. why the hell did we cut ADS? dude looked like a real asset. Or was he a practice roster poaching?

He fine...same with Schoen..BA played as well

Collaros a victim of his own success played at such a high level the past two years that a slight drop in play as seen as a lot worse than it actually is.

It’s when they block #50 on the other team

Still don’t know what a 50block is.

Interesting stat. Yet, I pull my hair out when we spot the opponent 10 or 14 points in the first quarter and have to take all game to get back in the lead.

Best sandwich? Clubhouse, I mean bacon and turkey come on match made in heaven Scariest animal? Shark, have you seen the teeth of some of them Dogs or cats? Dogs, cats are useless Window or aisle? Window, especially at night Clear or sparkling? Clear Apples or oranges? Apples, oranges give me heartburn Favorite action movie? M I Favorite smell? Vanilla Least favorite smell? Rancid meat One song to listen to for the rest of your life - which one? Metallica, Master of Puppets

I recall swaray hitting ball carriers very hard.

Zach tossed a pick 6 among other things

also:

And I can't really agree with that. There is plenty of evidence to suggest this staff can identify and give chances to talent. Stove, all the dbs, Wilson, Sayles, etc etc. I think the guys they had in camp simply weren't good enough. Yes they have some favorites, but they didn't even keep guys on the pr...

If you want to experience hamilton without being there, go to the south perimeter and wait for a south wind to gently kiss off of Brady landfill.

Was disappointed ADS was cut… showed a great closing speed and sure, physical tackling. Felt he just needed more of an opportunity and could have been good for us like how Parker turned out.

Time for some Colbert Questionnaire short snappers: Best sandwich? Grilled cheese with tomato Scariest animal? Holstein Bull Dogs or cats? Never cats Window or aisle? Aisle Clear or sparkling? Clear Apples or oranges? Apples - but prefer orange juice Favorite action movie? I hate all of them Favorite smell? Fresh lime leaves Least favorite smell? Excrement One song to listen to for the rest of your life - which one? Master of the Wind

RF.com thinks Kyle Walters is a candidate for their GM job lmaoooooo

All it took was dazzling incompetence!

Interesting, I noticed looking at the remaining schedule that the Lions actually play both of their final two games before the Bombers step on the field again... by time they line up against Edm on Oct 21, they'll know if it's a must win (not actually bc they can still beat Calgary in game 18... but I'm sure the team would like to lock it up before that)

That alone puts you ahead of a lot of people here... including myself... I have never stepped foot on a (organized) football field... I just starting going to Bomber games as a kid and fell in love with the sport and especially the team... I've had season tickets since 2004 and can't ever imagine not supporting this team... though I'll admit there was a time around 2014 when my patience was starting to wear thin

Cream rises to the top. Simple as that. I think it is fallacy to suggest that rookies are never given a chance. Pure fiction. We have had outstanding contributions from rookie starters over the past several seasons that have taken the place of veterans who we moved on from. People are POed at MOS for being too loyal in season but he values chemistry and it can't be understated what effect a coaches loyalty has in the dressing room either. A lot of us like to think this is a game of Madden, and if we have a young guy who is a 92 and an aging vet that is a 92 that we should go with the young guy...and that is not the right move in anything other than video game football. We have Eli ripening on the vine at centre, and I kind of agree that he should be the future at OC. However, if we were going to make that move it needed to happen in June not now and he wasn't quite back to being game ready yet. I am a pretty firm believer in not shaking up your OL in season any more than you have to because of injuries unless there is a very glaring problem. I don't see a problem that is that noteworthy with our OL right now. I am hopeful that Eli goes and has a great offseason, and is ready to be our OC next year. Pretty much every team utilizes the same block schemes. There is not a ton of possible variation without getting silly.

Still consulting my lawyers...

Its when you block this guy

Just a lifelong fan. I've been watching CFL football my whole life, all my family are fans, going back to my little Scottish granny screaming at the Bombers through the 8" tube TV in the corner of her kitchen. I didn't care much about it, until as a kid, probably 8 or 9 I got to meet Buzz one on one at a company Christmas party co-sponsored by the Bombers (my Mom worked closely with Kelly, the guy that wore the Buzz suit for many years, so she was able to arrange a visit) and that of all things was enough to spark interest at a young age. I joined the Rods in grade 8 and played in one lone game before breaking my arm and missing the entire season. I would have gone back in grade 9 but discovered a sport more suited to my tall slim frame (fencing), and that was the end of football for me. I'm far from an expert in any aspect of the game. If only my thousand Super Bowl victories in Madden translated to real world practical football experience, I'd be a hall of fame coach by now! I've read virtually every post ever made in the MBB football forum since MBB's inception, and a whole lot of OB before that... I'M ALWAYS HERE... this is where 95% of my football discussion takes place as my friends and coworkers today are casual fans at best (need better friends and coworkers I know)

For fun, what’s everyone’s knowledge level of involvement playing or being around the football? For myself I’m basically just a fan. I never had the frame to play the game past minor bantam (15). Dad played/coached HS and Junior ball. I’ve been going to Bomber games him since I was 3, taught me a lot from a very young age about how to watch football, especially the defensive backfield. My expert area would be more so when it comes to the history of the game. I’m a massive history nerd on all levels, and I’d put my memory vault up against anyone in the world (besides maybe Stats Junkie)

Who would someone playing in Winnipeg put on a "No Trade" list? LOL

Can't blame Yoshi for the sack where Zach spun back into Betts, he steered him 8 feet downfield of the target, at that point Zach is supposed to have evacuated the pocket or gotten rid of the ball. Yoshi did his job.

When you break down blocking schemes even zone they seem complex when you look at the whole line, but when you look at your specific assignment and rules it’s very simple and has to be so guys can quickly decide and act and make the same calls. Marty Costello has two ol coaching seminars on the bombers site where he goes into painstaking detail on our system, calls, assignments, what they look for and what it takes to succeed. Any one doubting Booch should watch the first 20 minutes of the first one. And no, before people say it, we aren’t decoying with those videos. Ols don’t get by on disguised reads and assignments. As long as you aren’t tipping pass or run pre snap that’s all you need. Every team knows our run plays blocking schemes and calls.

The tackles are showing issues, however ol alignment (gap size) also changes with the interior ol ability to pass pro. Our interior has been the source of a lot of pass pro issues too. I was watching yoshi mostly as he was giving up the pressures. Here’s what I saw. Firstly, bc did a great job of lining up their ends. Both our tackles are tall and long, but bc has been very good in the first and most recent game of aligning and timing snaps so the ends get a good start with out getting a hand on them. They also do a great job in general of winning hand fights. It’s a critically under rated part of pass rushing and pass pro. So at the jump yoshi is in a tough spot needing to cover a lot of ground to stay in front of his man. This also leaves an interior lane open for a stunt twist or blitz if he kick slides aggressively. But, he seems to be struggling with that lateral movement. He’s barely able to cover ground or recover angle vs fast ends. This could be a lot of things, age, size, injury or a combination of that and more. Also, bc runs a heavy rotation of undersized athletic pass rushers that are hard to keep up with for any one. Once he’s engaged with speed by a de out of position he stays none committal to recovering. He does try to match hip angle or drive his man up field he instead ends up looping and following his man to the qb. Props to him for not taking bad penalties in those positions, though some times a holding call is better than a sack. Most guys in his position panic and mug by default and generate a ton of flags. In run pro he’s usually well down field even earlier this year he was flying into the flats and down field on the pin and pull screen at times. Vs bc he seemed to be a turret trying to pancake but not even trailing pile engaging position. This time of year our ol always seems to be playing banged up which is no surprise given their age. Hopefully we see the west wrapped up soon and Richmond getting a lot of play while yoshi especially but also Bryant rest. I don’t think size in an issue per se. It’s the combination of his being the size of young couture and having Matt Sheridan mobility. I think he’s valuable as a 6th ol. But our former star ol are no longer able to carry guys and need a guy or guys who can carry them a bit. If we had couture and desjarlais I think we’d a given up half as many sacks and won two more games with ease. pff has been really under whelming and lack lustre. It’s also easy to over grade a centre especially when teams aren’t playing nose. It’s also note worth imo that when our ol and team plays well he grades high as does the whole ol but he never puts up a good performance when the other ol don’t. Yeah eli is a beast in the run game. His under performance in pass pro at guard was a concern but pass pro at c is a lot different. I don’t think he’s played much guard. Some guys struggle randomly at guard.

I already told you guys. It's a leg injury of some kind. Wrapped up and limping off the plane.

I was at the game, in the stands behind the bench 10 rows up. I watched him closely. Schoen was definitely nursing a "lower body" ouch when he came out of the game. He was mobile and walking on the sidelines, trying to keep the weight off and testing things - walking & trotting a little. I won't say any more than that, other than to venture that he would not have been effective had he gone back onto the field of play. Hopefully everyone is all healed up after the bye-week. The atmosphere during the game was amazing, by the way. Boisterous supportive crowd of Big Blue fans behind the Bombers bench. All the Bomber players noticed and definitely appreciated that support from the fans. Post-game victory chants echoed through BC Place for a long time as Bomber fans (lots of them) celebrated that exciting and important win!

Congrats on a big comeback win. Great for you guys to have that to pull off just when the season is getting real. Looking like the Western road to the Grey Cup is going through IG Field.

Fire half the coaching staff and start Prukop.

I wonder what this forum would be like this week if we LOST the game...😉

Half price cheese.....

Is this the video you're talking about? couldn't find any such videos on bluebombers.com. this is fascinating stuff -- I never noticed that the Bombers only ran counter plays to the left side and never to the right. and the part at 2:25 is pretty funny.

No it does not. I will go over everything from the past two weeks and give the official standings.

Doesn’t have to, but it needs to go well up, have a better basement and a cap per person. More scouts = more talent and better league.

This is true... And his stats this year are as good or better than last year, but more turnovers making everything seem a lot worse than it is...

Roster issues to me are minor. Yes having a better DL rotation would improve some things, but how much? Debatable. I don't see the D as the main reason for any loss really. Given the stat power, salary and depth on offense there's a lot less forgiveness when they don't perform. Honestly I think it was a rather poor effort from the scouts this last offseason. I wanted to see some new faces on the DL and linebacker especially but watching the preseason games no one stood out. I recall discussing that post game with friends and saying the only one who came close to standing out was Haba, and he was the only guy they kept. We got some old dudes and not a lot of depth in some places. To me that's on the recruitment as much as the coaches.

In some ways I see this as a rallying point for playoffs. After this happened the Bombers all seemed to get an extra gear.

Agreed.........Diverse opinions are always welcome but it stops when fellow fans walk away from constructive criticism and drift into disparaging remarks....I think we've all experienced that..... So onward and upward.... and hey, we're all on the same team

Re: Kolo. While not a huge fan, a huge part of his position is making calls. Since OL are never micd up, we don’t know how poorly (or well) Kolo is doing at that aspect of his game. One could speculate at a reach, that the sometimes erratic play of Collaros could correlate..

I see Booch as a very well informed football guy....I think everyone would agree AND the way I read him is, sure we are doing well this season, BUT like every team there's still room for improvement ...Staying status quo can lead to be a stagnant regression factor.....Nothing wrong with offering a different aspect to our roster ...Certainly we are in the top rung in the west now....we'd like to stay there and by offering up a few changes doesn't hurt...I know a lot would say do not mess with success, but I'm going to offer up a Doug Brown quote when he said 'if you're not changing in this league you're not moving forward'....Changes like Booch offers up make a lot of sense but we'll live with Osh's moves....after all he's the head coach

Some people have built the roster "issues" into a much bigger deal than it actually is. And also think that by not completely dismissing certain players they are actually fanbois of said players. It's bizarre to me how this has been built up into this weird huge thing...

That’s an interesting, astute analysis. I had read it much the same way, that’s why his last comment caught me off guard a bit. I have been more than a little shocked about the disgruntlement around a 12-4 first place team this year. People lamenting the inevitable downfall and regression that will see us one and done in the playoffs. Kind of figured that after the previous 30 years of true misery, this heater we are on would leave nothing but joy and satisfaction in its wake, because they don’t come around often. Can’t figure the mindset of why some want to be glass half full (or worse) when there are no strong signs of regression given our record and overall performance this season. Every year is a crapshoot, there is always a chance we will lose, be it a player crapping the bed, a coaching error, another team catching fire at just the right time and plain beating you on any given Sunday, or just dumb luck going against you at the wrong time. Best you can realistically hope for is that your team is built to contend and get you in position to win it all, and then the other stuff will take care of itself. This regime has given us that team built to contend for the last 7 years or so. Not inclined to diss them now since we are still in the thick of it.

Reads more to me like a guy truly hurt people would argue with him. Here's how I see it... booch is engaged in an argument that doesn't really exist and has taken it to a level where people are making fun of him now.

No... don't want tiffs... koombaya, we're all Bomber fans here, even the chatbots (I kid, I kid) I'm sincerely trying to watch the OL closely, this is what I'm seeing. As a group they spring leaks, and it's coming from all across the line at times, even our star tackles more often than I'm used to. This season and especially the last couple games Collaros has also been holding the ball longer than maybe he should/needs to, and at times runs himself straight into the pressure, that isn't helping anyone look consistently great. Hardrick had it happen to him the other night, ran his man wide by a good 7 or 8 yards and Collaros spun straight into the defender, not even Hardricks fault (I don't think). Not sure how it could be Kolas though, or how a different C would have led to a different result, not to cherry pick... I'm sure you could show me examples where he is the culprit and honestly I'd love to see them (no expectations though, but I would watch) Yes, Kola is measurably undersized compared to other Cs, but that hasn't stopped Chris Walby from praising his play throughout the season. Is it just tire pumping or knowledgeable insight? Who am I to believe? I know I'm not supposed to trust Kola's high PFF score because PFF, I have it on good authority, is trash. What I do know is Brady is off to the races, and he doesn't do it by himself, and an OL wins and loses as a group or so the cliche goes. It hasn't looked pretty but relative to the rest of the league, our Oline has to be counted as one of the best if not the best units right now. Crazy though that there is potential to be even better than we are right now, relative to the rest of the league. I'm all for it. And that's totally fair and I'm all for improvement at every position. As it stands the transition is inevitable, 3 year contract and all. I know he was ranked quite high on the Rimington Trophy watch list and that's a big deal... of course they've been using PFF since 2014 so... that's a neat detail... no matter, Eli looks undeniably good mauling guys in the heavy packages, if that's any indication then the future C of our Oline is promising

Well....might not be able to play x's and o's on paper.....but think I do know a bit about the birds and the bees aspects of things..... hence, plan to still post here...... In the meantime... some folks should just save it for the opposition.

I appreciate your insights man but you just totally justified the above meme....