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The 30, and the (d)evolution of our front scheme.
Fatty Liver and 12 others reacted to wbbfan for a topic
JY has lead us to running a 30 base front in our defense, but we also saw large changes to our scheme in 2023 as well. I've seen confusion and angst towards the front in many GDTs and else where on line. So I wanted to start this separate discussion around our front, mainly the changes we've made the past couple of years, and why we have gotten less and less pressure since 2021. First I'll throw in a rudimentary break down of the alignments and techniques. 5-4-4i-3- 2-2i-1-0-1-2i -2 -3-4i-4-5 DL technique TE LT LG C RG RT TE Position D C B A A B C D Gap identification Note obviously the TE is used sparingly in the cfl, though heavy sets are becoming more popular with 6ol, its mainly academic having them in as most defenses don't have DL who play a counter role to that other than in short yardage. Down south they also have Techs 6/7/9. With 6 lining up right on the TE, 7 on the inside shoulder of the TE, and 9 outside the TE. An 8 tech comes in when a team lines up a 6th OL beside a TE, also a short yardage type of set. You also see a Wide 9 alignment down south which is generally an even front, where the edge is far outside the furthest blocker on his side. The i alignment means inside shade, and has the DL lining up inside shoulder to out side shoulder on the opposing linemen. So a 1 and a 3 tech are right in the gap equally between the two OL, a 2i and 4i line up half in the gap and half on a linemen. Roles: 0 Tech = nose tackle/nose guard. Their primary role is to push the Centre back, and create pressure opportunities for other linemen. They almost allways draw a double team when executed right, and good ones will play both A gaps (2 gap player.) They generally push the centre to one side to body block it, and if the rb comes to the gap they are standing in, will disengage to make a tackle. These are your Stoves, Drake Nevis' etc. Most often, a 0 tech is seen in 30 fronts. in a 40 front, you see more 1 tech play. 1 Tech. Similar role to a nose, but plays only 1 gap in the run scheme. generally a guy doesn't need to be as much of a thumper or as heavy to play the 1 vs the 0. Its more common in 40 fronts, where you might use 1, with a 3, or a 2i. An advantage of shading the nose vs playing straight up is it can be easier to twist with the DT in a 2/2i alignment, and vs 5 man blocking fronts it basically prevents the offense from doubling your End on the shade side. So if Woods is in 1 alignment, and Adams is in the 3, where ever willy jefferson lines up on that side, hes sure to only be facing 1 ol. Woods is smaller than our previous noses and is really good at both that and 1 tech. But we generally use 1/0 interchangeably. 2i/2 These are the most common alignments in a 40 front, This is primarily a run stopping tech, unless twisting with another DL. Or some times it will be paired with a 1 shade to the other side of the line, in order for the 2/2i to shoot the gap in pass rush, or when the centre/guard is slow/sloppy with footwork and crossing the face of the guard alone creates pressure. 3 Tech, the inside pass rusher. Mainly this player will shot a single gap with the goal of creating pressure/disruption and making a play. Casey sayles is a good example of a 3tech. Lighter than most DT, but heavier than a DE. A bullrusher with a single gap in the run gap, but who mostly plays the same on every snap. Beat the guard, inside or out, get in the back field and tear things up. Usually a good 30 front team will have 1 or 2 3 techs. 2 3 tech guys with a nose tackle. This is often what happens when you see a 30 front get a sack. The tackles pinch in to help, but you can only block soo long before one of the interior get home. Either the nose is getting a 1v1, or one of the 3s gets a free pass to the qb. When successful a tackle is often left upright and unable to get in on the play. 4i. The other common end alignment in a 30 front. This is generally more of a run stopping alignment with a primary goal of turning a rb side ways and denying the B gap. This position does not start in the gap as much as a 2i generally. They tend to scrape into the gap and play that spot no matter the blocking scheme. Previously we used Jonathon Kongbo with great success in the 4i alignment. 4/5 Tech. A 4 tech alignment is often more of a bull rusher in the cfl, like jackson jeffcoat, or you might use a 4 when you send a blitz (like our DB delay off the edge package) off their side. 5 tech is the prototypical pass rushing spot, think Willy jefferson on most of his edge snaps. We havent made a ton of use of wide alignments, forcing the Tackle to reach and possibly over commit to the end. It is also a bit dependent on the pass rushers moves. Our ends currently mainly try to curl around the edge of the tackle, rather than trying to sprint on a dart. We have seen some of that play from Montreal, and BC in the past. In the earlies mafia days we started bringing in, and excelled at finding, Nose tackles. We pretty much fit our DL scheme around the nose. Often in 0, or some times a 1 tech, with a 3 tech DT and 2 4/5s. In 19 we used nevis and stove with jake rotating inside, two guys capable of playing nose and 2 guys who could play 3 tech. We let Nevis walk in 21, and stove missed a chunk of the season, so we let him walk in the off season of 21. Late in 21 we started working in more Cheetah front as well. where all the guys put on the DL can all pass rush especially with speed. Some times this would include stove on the nose with 3 des, other times it would be 4 Des with hansen, kongbo, jeffcoat, and willy, or 30 fronts with 3 of those guys on, often with willy on the nose. Though willy aligned on the nose in this front, he mainly played like a 3 tech, trying to shoot the inside gap on the centre. This is especially effective if the OL gap spread is wider than normal, or if you have a good combination of a quick end and a slow/sloppy centre. At the end of 21 we let stove walk, and made another wholesale change to the strategy of our front. We put jake at a 1/0 tech frequently, with casey sayles playing a 3 tech, and willy/JJ on the 4/5. It was kind of a hybrid from our cheetah pack, with the goal of jake drawing a double and forcing teams to block the other 3 one on one. But Jeffcoat missed almost half the season and dipped in his production. 22 Ended and again we let our prized FA dl walk, casey sayles left, with the spot filled internally by Ricky walker. We moved walker around a lot in 23, tried him in the 3 tech spot to modest success, then as the extra end rotating inside out, this to more success. But still the interior was a fraction of the force it was with stove, and sayles etc. JJ and WJ enjoyed a good year doing the same as usual, but better and a bit healthier. Cam lawson took a big step forward as the rotational piece, providing us with the most impact in the fewest snaps along the interior. But JJ still missed a good chunk with age catching up and we let him go in the off season of 23, also letting walker go. Lawson has missed all of this year to date, and we have tried to again fill the gaps internally with garbutt and habba, to very little success. This year we saw the largest shake up on our DL in a few years, between loses and the change to much more 30 front. We've had success with Adams and Woods, but both have seen stints on the PR sitting behind Jake, garbutt and habba. We've at times tried garbutt and habba in 3, 4, and 5 techs. Habba has been worse than his limited play last year and garbutt not much better. Jake has deteriorated to a fraction of his former self, and WJ has struggled with oppressive double teams killing his drive and his motor. We also got away from the no-thrill-for-bighill package that certainly shortened his career. Frequently sending Biggie on a "blitz" into a guard to try and force on on ones for willy. It seldom succeeded, as Jake doesn't demand double teams in side. And bighill rarely got pressure or disruption in the face of 300lbs guards. We have seem glimpses of all import 30 fronts, with woods at 0, Adams at 4i/3 and WJ in 4i/4/5 alignments. Which has done a tremendous job of creating pressure and closing gaps. Hopefully this is more of what we will see in the future, especially next year. We could easily succeed and disrupt the back field with that unit and a rotation including a healthy lawson, a second year Hubert, and the better of habba/garbutt or a new end. We could weave in 40 fronts with mainly different guys playing different alignments. Hubert could play some 3 tech, lawson 0 through 3, and adams just about any where. Those snaps have been far too few though, as our once vaunted pressure packed front has gone from the forefront of our defensive scheming, to an after thought. JY has done a tremendous job with the secondary, and limiting the bleeding of wasted snaps with edges who cant get pressure and blitzes that only waste a man. Taking the DL front to the next level is the key to our long term success on D, as we saw in the LDC, you can always get openings and create offence in the CFL if you have time to pass.13 points -
"I can't really hear what Darian Durant says because I've two grey cups rings plugging my ears" -Kyle Walters (probably)11 points
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CFL - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread
BigBlueFanatic and 10 others reacted to TBURGESS for a topic
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I believe the Stamps are just about ready to reveal their upgrade plans for McMahon as well.9 points
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CFL - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread
BigBlueFanatic and 8 others reacted to rebusrankin for a topic
Durant is making stuff up to cover for being a douchebag.9 points -
2024 Banjo Bowl Talk
BigBlueFanatic and 7 others reacted to Super Duper Negatron for a topic
It has been 0 days since I was gaslighted by Suitor describing a play that didn't happen.8 points -
CFL - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread
BigBlueFanatic and 7 others reacted to Noeller for a topic
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242 of 374...for 65% 2698 yards 18 TD's and 19 Int's Rushed for 1167 yards and 22 TD's That's Strevs stats up to 2024...which included 11 starts....6 td's on the ground as the starter and not the short yardage guy Then 4 yrs in the NFL where everyone saw in a couple pre-seasons what he did....one game with no reps even all week leading up to it...and also took snaps and generated plays in regular season games To say that he cannot throw...run a play book or be a more than serviceable QB if actually used to his strengths is ludicrous...Doesn't turn 30 until Jan....so has at least 5 to 6 yr in him if not abused like we are abusing him here Don't know what our coaches are smoking...or if they just not capable of creating a game plan for anyone other than ZC....Or why they don't let Strev use the playbook that he knows....and you know he knows all the plays in it as it's his job....but man what a waste of talent7 points
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Did Micah Johnson play O-line last game... I'm not sure because they didn't really talk about it on the broadcast...7 points
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CFL - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread
BigBlueFanatic and 6 others reacted to Super Duper Negatron for a topic
I call bullshit.7 points -
The 30, and the (d)evolution of our front scheme.
Atomic and 5 others reacted to JohnnyAbonny for a topic
Get this man a job at 3DN yesterday6 points -
CFL - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread
Rod Black and 4 others reacted to WBBFanWest for a topic
For me, the issue is that he took the bonus, given to him with the expectation he would honour his contract. He decided to back out. It doesn't matter at all why. An honourable person would return the money. He didn't. Tells me everything I need to know about his character. If he wants to spend more time with his family, great, but while being with them it might also be a good idea to teach his kids what it looks like to be someone who keeps their word.5 points -
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CFL - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread
rebusrankin and 4 others reacted to BomberBall. for a topic
Bunch of garbage. The alleged statement from the coach doesn’t even make sense. If he wasn’t around when his kids were born and raised, how would he know you’re not missing much? He apparently wasn’t there to know what he was or wasn’t missing. Just ridiculous. The team’s track record speaks for itself…. Eff off Durant.5 points -
The 30, and the (d)evolution of our front scheme.
BigBlueFanatic and 3 others reacted to 17to85 for a topic
Tl/Dr Jake Thomas sucks, adams and woods = good together.4 points -
The 30, and the (d)evolution of our front scheme.
BaconNBigBlue and 3 others reacted to Noeller for a topic
Good lord I went cross-eyed... Needs a TL/dr4 points -
Thanks. I was actually musing about contacting them the other day, my work schedule has opened up a lot. Might volunteer for a local football team instead. Reading the post ldc game articles on 3dn actually made me mad at how bad they were. It makes the reffing in the league look semi competent this year.4 points
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2024 Banjo Bowl Talk
HardCoreBlue and 3 others reacted to JohnnyAbonny for a topic
Just be happy Suitor wasn’t on there, we wouldn’t have even known anyone else was on the field4 points -
You would think so judging by the outside of the building but apparently it's still open.4 points
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Like any of his possible reasons for not coming that year excuse the fact that he is an outright thief. SMH. DARIAN DURANT IS A THIEF!! Sorry but I am calling a spade a spade.4 points
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I would check out the back of the tailgate area, in the smoking/vaping area. Or, just head over to McDs on Pembina and he'll be there eventually.4 points
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Tomorrow for sure. man I’m a bit surprised we haven’t seen more shuffling or bringing guys in. Aside from the fact that Adam’s, wheatfall and one of case/smith should be on, it’s pretty ugly. We really need to look at some des, tackles (not guards), lbers, maybe a returner and punter. So far this year habba and garbutt have combined for 11 games 13 tackles and 1 sack. Pressures? No lol not really. Hubert alone in 8 games has 8 tackles despite dropping off a cliff along with his reps the last month. Woods in 11 games has 14 tackles and 2 sacks as our rotational nose lol. Adam’s has had 3-4 stints on the pr, and played every spot on the dl with 14 tackles 4 sacks and a teams tackle in 10 games. The schmeckel 11 games 2 tackles lol. We are burning soo many reps on the dl and failing to develop ends it’s sad. Blink is gonna be here for the induction too right?4 points
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CFL - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread
BigBlueFanatic and 3 others reacted to Bigblue204 for a topic
absolutely. I'm not arguing that he should have been fine with missing family time. I've made professional decisions based on that too. But to make it out like it was something the Bombers specifically wouldn't allow doesn't make sense on many different levels. Mostly based on what we've seen since he quit. Nevermind all the babies that have been born, guys with older kids always have them around. also lets not pretend that if you got a signing bonus to join a new employer and then immediately changed your mind, there wouldn't be consequences. Chances are you would have been legally required to pay it back and burned all and any bridges with that company. Duraint shouldn't be running his mouth to the media about that situation imo.4 points -
CFL - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread
HardCoreBlue and 3 others reacted to Rich for a topic
There was also this from when this happened https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/darian-durant-retire-bomers-riders-1.46584974 points -
CFL - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread
bearpants and 3 others reacted to Bigblue204 for a topic
I'd like to thank Duraint for his great decision making. Without him backing out of his contract things may have looked very different for the Bombers. Who knows....maybe the Riders would have made a few more GCs? Not only did he leave money for the Bombers to sign one of their most impactful players but he also opened the door for Streveler. Both of those players have absolutely torched the Riders over the past 5 years. All's fair in love and war!! Thanks for your timing Duraint! Hope to see you retire a Bomber one day!! I mean...their track record speaks for itself. Also...what was he expecting? How many guys miss out on their family time to play pro ball? I don't get it....did he think after every practice he'd be able to fly home? After every game? Those comments were confusing4 points -
Bombers at Riders LDC-GDT
Tracker and 3 others reacted to Eternal optimist for a topic
For anyone who wants their 'Rider losses to the sound of epic music and theatrics4 points -
CFL - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread
JCon and 3 others reacted to JuranBoldenRules for a topic
They could have taken that $20,000 and given everyone at one of their home games $1.4 points -
The 30, and the (d)evolution of our front scheme.
BigBlueFanatic and 2 others reacted to Super Duper Negatron for a topic
ChatGPT to the rescue: The user is discussing changes in their football team's defensive front over the past few seasons, especially the transition to a 30 base front. They note that while the team's defense has evolved, pressure on the quarterback has decreased since 2021. The post provides a detailed breakdown of various defensive line (DL) techniques and roles (e.g., 0, 1, 3 tech), explaining how players line up and what gaps they aim to control. The team had success with a nose tackle-heavy scheme in the past but has struggled after letting key players go, leading to inconsistent pressure from the defensive line. Recent seasons have seen experimentation with different alignments, including the "cheetah" front that emphasizes speed. Injuries and personnel changes have further affected performance, with some players struggling to maintain their previous form. While the secondary has improved, the DL is no longer as effective, and the author hopes for better use of a 30 front featuring players like Adams, Woods, and Lawson to disrupt opposing offenses more consistently.3 points -
What in the actual **** is this pile of nonsense....?3 points
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Celebrating a loss. Classic Saskatchewan bush league media.3 points
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2024 Banjo Bowl Talk
Tracker and 2 others reacted to rebusrankin for a topic
Fine but no suspension? **** Ambroise and the rest of the CFL office. Its Brown's second play like that this year and the third year in a row this stuff has occured at the LDC. Suspend Brown and fine the Riders organization.3 points -
CFL - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread
Tracker and 2 others reacted to rebusrankin for a topic
I'm not sure Calgary can afford the paint to add the racing stripe to McMahon.3 points -
2024 Banjo Bowl Talk
TBURGESS and 2 others reacted to WinnipegGordo for a topic
I wonder if the fines were the same for both players.3 points -
2024 Banjo Bowl Talk
Noeller and 2 others reacted to JohnnyAbonny for a topic
Oh well I guess the streak of not muting TSN ends at 1 in a row.3 points -
CFL - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread
Stickem and 2 others reacted to Bubba Zanetti for a topic
I wouldnt be surprised if that green prick planned the whole thing from the start. Had no intention of ever playing here, just seeing how much he could scam out of the Bombers.3 points -
2024 Banjo Bowl Talk
GCJenks and 2 others reacted to rebusrankin for a topic
Perhaps make a trip to Teasers on Saturday night.3 points -
He's full of **** and backwards-rationalizing his cowardly snake move3 points
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Darian has been openly, almost shamelessly, letting every team in the CFL know he would take a coaching job. Nobody will touch him with a 10 foot pole now because of how greasy he is. Didn't think that through enuff did ya Darian?3 points
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CFL - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread
Rod Black and 2 others reacted to rebusrankin for a topic
If only it was possible to move your family to the city that you are playing in.3 points -
CFL - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread
Super Duper Negatron and 2 others reacted to wbbfan for a topic
“I definitely was interested and had every intention to go to Winnipeg and play (that year).” “but I just had my first child and I was contemplating retiring because I just had a baby and I wanted to be there and going to Winnipeg would have took away from that,” These two contradictory quotes were half a sentence a part lmao. You can’t be contemplating retirement and have every intent to come here. Such a clown. Either it’d be mos, or more likely buck he talked to. Football isn’t family friendly. And that sucks. It’s fine to change your mind after your kid is born, and is go so far as to say he made the right call in retiring and staying home with his kid. Stealing the bonus cash however is greasy af. Lying about it now is also greasy. Such a prick.3 points -
CFL - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread
BigBlueFanatic and 2 others reacted to Noeller for a topic
An ******* of the highest order... **** him and his complaints. As mentioned, because of him ******* off, we got Bighill and opened the door for Strev.... Good riddance to bad rubbish.3 points -
CFL - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread
BigBlueFanatic and 2 others reacted to Rod Black for a topic
And the Winnipeg Blue Bombers went on without him to have some of the greatest success in almost 90 years of history! He missed it. He failed.3 points -
CFL - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread
BomberBall. and 2 others reacted to HardCoreBlue for a topic
And even if by chance that one unnamed coach did indeed say that, have follow-up discussions with other coaches/management to verify what kind of culture he’s heading into. Having a discussion with one person than bailing on the team seems sus to me.3 points -
2024 Banjo Bowl Talk
BomberBall. and 2 others reacted to Deiter Fan for a topic
God help me if I have to hear Rod Smith go on and on about Sask's "patchwork O'Line" again for another game...as if it was something unique to them.3 points -
2024 Banjo Bowl Talk
Deiter Fan and 2 others reacted to Nolby for a topic
What color is the sky? A-Blue B- white C- Boobs D-All of the above3 points -
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Random Video Thread
FrostyWinnipeg and one other reacted to Brandon for a topic
So protesting at the busiest intersection in the city during the middle of the day maybe is a bad idea? Why not protest on the side of the road like most sane people and incidents like this can be avoided.2 points -
I bet he could have pulled a few wins outta the fire in the first 4 as well2 points
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2024 Banjo Bowl Talk
Deiter Fan and one other reacted to kelownabomberfan for a topic
Even Dr. Who gets it...2 points -
2024 Banjo Bowl Talk
Doublezero and one other reacted to Atomic for a topic
I was just combing through some stats and noticed our second down conversion percentage is 42.9, which is 8th in the league. That's been killing us and it seemed especially bad last game.2 points