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Unless it's injury related (and I think it was in Womack's case, but not sure about the two DL), bringing back our cuts after not giving them a look in the pre-season game is a bit embarrassing and just shows our lack of ability to really know what we're valuing when we scout players.

Not to mention the fact and I quote: It’s a f’ing discussion board with fantastic options at one’s disposal to block, ignore and/or engage at one’s discretion. I added f’ing for effect. :) Riders suck.

Nobody is perfect, but there are people on this board who have the correct analysis / opinion, more often than not. In fact, some of the team's moves in the offseason, confirmed what people here have been saying.

on a different note...based on the big gallop last yr...and the run on Saturday where it looked like he was shot out of a cannon...Calling it now with that size and crazy speed...and more usage...I bet MCI rips off one of...if not the longest run from scrimmage from a RB in league this yr...

All I ever see from Smith is making plays. Be criminal not to give him reps. Do you not want Canadian play makers?

Weird. But in my opinion Fletcher looked legit, moved real well and could be a real good inside and outside guy...he just looked polished and really well coached previously He was knicked but battled thru it for a good week, so maybe they wanted to free up roster space to see some guys and were gonna bring him back when he was a bit more healthy...And prob a good thing cause other than Lawson, what we saw on the inside of the DL was a whole lotta crap and none of the guys should be getting any reps of any significance this next game...let alone make the roster...I fear tho Korn gonna make it cause he Canadian, But with the way Smith played...again...Kramdi here...Gatkouth who did some real nice work for first game, and Bailey who also is a gem of an end, we dont need a crappy Canadian DT to sub out with to meet the 2 Canadians on the field on defence, or if injury...Especially if we use the Nationalized American as well. We have so much Canadian rotation available on defence who can really ball out...we dont need to waste a spot on Korn...christ he been already cut what...like 3 times?... And gotta say again..Jaylen Smith needs to play...a ton...as he gonna just get even better. Should have been already last yr I'd be shocked as well if the oline isnt Bryant...Wallace..Eli..Neuf and Broxton...Elsbury didnt impress and as an Import you need to be exceptional at worst to justify that ratio move. And he wasnt...not even close...And man not sure what with Vpool but he looked lost and awful too...He better crank it up or could see him gone. Back to ratio....we cant run 3 Canadian WR as we dont have the talent, and ZC needs weapons....Sure Corcoran made a nice catch....but he isnt a top level Candian let alone starter. Fredrickson shouldn't get any work next game...and should be cut really....dud...nobody outside of White..Clercius and Singer from last game should feel safe...I do wanna see TJ Davis featured a bit more next game, as there is something there in my opinion but not gonna see it targeted 1 or 2 times, and playing with and against a bunch of guys who aint gonna be around in a week Another note...That other Aussie can boom the ball....Does Osh have the onions to part ways with one of his pets/..of he dials it up again next week...and shows some nice positional kicking....I'd keep a giy who can kick you outta trouble like that

And a run game

No I don't think we can, especially when they've invested heavily into Canadians at linebacker. It's not the best use of a roster spot to have that many american linebackers. Better off beefing up the roster on the DL imo.

Zach threw the guy a touchdown pass that he wanted no part of. Then I am pretty sure he dropped elgersmas first pass attempt. Not impressed based on 1 game.

Interesting roster moves today. Booch you still got time to be right about Fletcher. I get the feeling they want to give reps to both Smith and Shay situationally.

Once they figure out how to, and to actually, use MCI he will be an X factor. I'm thinking there is no realistic way we use Shay at SAM. My thinking is that Younger didn't want to show too much but they wanted to see if and where Shay could go as a 4th Lber in a 3-4 defence. They blitzed him, they used him in coverage out of the SAM. My thinking tho, is that IF Shay goes in on a 3-4 it would be because he brings some versatility.

I think Perkins is the best option at QB2 for now...and if he is hope he gets real reps throughout the season too, as it will just get him acclimated that much quicker....but for his minimal time here...and working behind and with garbage for most part looked pretty comfortable I not as anti arm strength against hi as some...he has more than an adequate arm, and you dont need a howitzer to succeed, you need touch...be able to throw a guy open and place a ball....if he can master that, to go with his ability on the ground and I can see him being lethal with that up here we should be just fine as TE learns and develops And with this maybe being ZC swan song a more developed and capable Perkins who could possibly shows he is a legit starter rolling into 2027 camp allows us to not force feed TE into the fracass if he not really quite ready yet...and destroying his confidence...dude is young and licked up for 3 yrs...no need to rush it...let him grab it legitimately

2 cuts already. Javier who had a couple real bad moments and Battle. We brought back recent cuts WR Womack, Dl Arnold and Fletcher. A bit surprised we are cycling through our own cuts already, but the NFL pre camps probably have every one down south in a holding pattern

Perkins looked better and did more in one quarter than Wilson did in 3 seasons.

I agree, wbbfan. This is a discussion forum. Basically being told to shut up & just appreciate what we have doesn't cut it here.

Both backup QBs showed glimpses. I liked Perkins as 2nd string game 1. He looked much more confident; did a good job moving around despite the pressure and generally looked more CFL ready. Elgersma certainly has the raw tools and showed good accuracy. I think we can be a bit patient with him. But who knows what preseason game 2 will hold. Should we legitimately be looking at Andrews for the punter position? Those punts were massive. And good positions too.

We all know the reasons why ZC had a resurgence after he came here in 2019. Top notch pass pro, a great running game and sure-handed receivers who also played the game tough as nails and complimented his style of play. The past 2 seasons, they have not provided him with anything even close to that. In fact, the offensive rostering and planning has been borderline inexplicable.

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Yeah, those are among my thoughts as well. I am leaning towards Kelly as the odd man out and Stuart in for ST work and versatility. Munier-Bailey is an asset. Gatkouth makes the roster almost by default. I like the idea of Jenkins and Dixon both on the roster. What this means for Fletcher or Young is probably PR to start the season?

Absolutely. Just now room for it and it handicaps the roster

that would leave us with with no kr, or only vaval as back up db, and no ayers. And with kyrie as a di behind jones and woodbey that would leave no reps for smith to take. We really need to make use of the naturalized american rule this year and shed some bodies at lber. Tj davis’ reps came late in the mess part of the game. would’ve been nice to see him get some kr reps and play with the 1s/2s more. Hopefully in game 2. Singer had a couple good throws into coverage that he came down with, as for route support and blocking it was a mess. It would really help if he is that kind of high support guy though. Demski opens a lot up for other guys and white will too. He hasn’t been cut yet, that i’ve seen. That elite get off and burst is soo rare I think it demands more time. He took two stupid penalties, but he is a rookie they will do that. I hope to see him get more reps in game 2. But he’d be on the short list of pr candidates for me, if he’s coach able.

Perkins dinking and dunking to Demski/Brady could be deadly.

Have to keep the new Aussie punter....this guy can BOOM them.....O'Shea has a dillema ...go with real new found talent or stick with the status quo.....

None of the groups' run blocking was remotely good enough. I very much expect to see a drastic improvement and Eli taking a lot more snaps at C in the first half of the 2nd game. Bryant was worrisome to me in pass pro, though he didn't play long. Vanterpool looked like he took a 2 year step backwards, which is a big disappointment. Elsbury was brutal in run blocking. Wallace gave up a big speed rush at T early but settled in pretty good after that. I wonder if he isn't too big to play T for an entire game though. Vibert was solid, Id like to see more of him at C. Poncious and Pares were average in pass pro and poor in run blocking. Mazzccua is a freaking tank. Id keep him around to develop. Rando picked up where he left off last year. Very good pass pro, solid run blocking. He needs more touches than the 3rd/4th Canadian WR. Move him around and get him the ball off screens and any way possible.

That's how I see it too. Think Perkins is the guy you go to as the #2 option now, how long depends on how quickly (assuming he does) Elgersma develops.

Holm Boi qualifies too...Smith starting at WIL would not hurt us in the least and he would only just get better and better....Thats how you develop...game reps at game speed, and he already shown he has that down...no he needs to just stack reps Griffin at SAM too is gonna really make us a tough defence.....and Woodbey is just gonna keep getting better and better...which is such a bonus cause he already is really good Yeah....of we start 3 ot has to be Demski...and Clercius and Neild in the slot...Clercius in his reps at slot showed he is more than capable and offers us a lot there...getting him rolling in space with the ball he is gonna be punishing to DB's and later in a game they gonna be nicely tenderized...If we start 3 and the 3rd is Corcoran outside...somebody needs to be shot But ideally 3 imports and 2 Canadians with Clercius/Demski/Neild as your main 3 is our best lineup...Songer right now has to be the front runner, and his return ability has to be an ace in hole for him too....Dude looks like a return TD on the making...Looks better than Vaval did early on camp last yr, and look what he did

Let's be honest, you're so invested in the argument that Eli hasn't played before because he's not good enough you're not budging off that position any time soon. I am not sure if Perkins has a better command of the offense, but what he has is more pro experience and is more comfortable out there at game speed. Just a shame the guys arm is meh.

He also seems healthy for the first time in a long time. Im sure he will bounce back from the last two years, just a question of what is his current top level of performance. I think his peak performance capability is something like the early 2ks tier QBs. Sporadic high passing yards out put, high 2 and out count, lots of tds, close to the same amount of pics.

Yeah TUI hardly repped at Center....I not concerned there...I think they wanTed to see ELSBURY....Hopefully they saw enough....not good to touch on the Shay comments here...Shay shouldn't be at SAM...he's a MLB thru and thru....doing him a diservice forcing him there. ...he's really good on teams and his roster spot is safe....I hope this yr we realize that we can backfill the roster with the depth/ST guys but actually use the guys who canin a pich tale a few reps, and have the potential to push for reps, as opposed to use these ST only guys with zippity dodah for upside....High upside guys can play ST too...a lot of times better than the ST only sluggos...

Yes, but to be fair. He's bounced back from consecutive bad years before. So the question is, can he do it again?

It has to have been injury related, otherwise it just doesn't make sense.

Be nice to see Elgersma with actual CFL WR's and not just a bunch of rookies.

Yeah, I was encouraged by what both qbs showed. I think perkins has a lower ceiling but a very high floor, which should allow Elgersma time to develop to his lofty potential. I'm pretty excited to see both in game two as well. I don't know how we could not look at Andrews, or why we would draft him if he played like that and didn't get strong consideration. Last years punter was a better leg then Sheahan, but Andrews looks like his leg should be in the NFL. He had that monster field position flipping punt but he also had some strong hang time and smoked a few long ones. Yeah it was. Singers a good one, I kind of expect him to sit on the PR and develop at first, but he's talented.

Very slow again. Both on the App and the website

Elg's corner throw to ... Singer? was sweet.

Ayers can play DE on paper but not in reality. I'm going to be pissed when we keep Ayers and Kyrie on the roster at the expense of other positions.

not a di. Nat imp also rotating I could see. We’ve got a bunch of young canadians ready to contribute on teams from the D side. between kyrie, jones and ayers, 1 guy really needs to go.

lber is the last spot I would use a di. We have two canadians one ready to start another ready to rotate. Realistically, i would nat imp one of jones/kyrie have smith rotate to relieve lawson and allow an imp db on. Personally, i’d lean towards start ayers and jones. Di kicker kr de db. Lidster also looked really good. I expect him to sit on the pr, but he may be the sergio replacement before sergio’s career is over. An Ni kicker is a tremendous luxury.

yeah....possibly to just see what he could do there in a pinch.....He is versatile and demon on teams...a demon on teams who can actually play...Much like Smith

with the threat to take off when teams start to cheat...for big yards

Those DL were both injured too. Honestly think the bigger problem here is the culture around "injuries" and missing practice but it's not Bomber specific, kind of more of a Late millenial/Gen Z problem. Like all these new guys see the big dogs hanging out on the sideline and move to join them instead of competing. Wonder if they get it when they get cut. Or sometimes if there's advantage given to guys who flash but are consistently not out there (well I feel like I can answer that one, YES, especially for a spot no one else has really jumped on).

and the ability to have Vaval and Singer back together on kickoffs and could be a pick your poison scenario too if they try to kick away from one..or other

Speak for yourself

He got burned at sam once, and that side did struggle in coverage late. But it was very much a group effort in coverage that failed. What I liked in what I saw was his kick cover and physicality were really good again. I think he's a bit out of place as a sam tbh. He has the athleticism, but doesn't have near the polish dropping back that frequently into coverage. I think he'd be much better off at wil/mac or backing up Kramdi at S. Though he could well develop into a great ratio breaking sam at some point, but its one of the hardest positions to adjust to for guys who are pure cover players. Zach is gonna rub off on him a lot, already seems to be happening. Elgersma was aggressive, and thats not bad. But he did fail to pick up post snap coverage adjustments and didn't take what the D gave him. It is good that he didn't wilt though. Id like to see him learn to play more with in the system and work medium to long range rather then deep to short, but we might be hard up for that to happen with no QB coach and Zach as the incumbent. I think year 2 Elgersmas' floor will be very high. And his ceiling is tremendous. Nailed it. He made the best of a bad spot, took what he could and used his legs when he needed to. His run-throw processing was better then I expected and saw in the UFL. It is a small sample size, but its easy to see why the other 2 qbs fled town. I expect Perkins to be QB2 and Elgersma to be QB1. for 1, the defence gets more out of prepping with perkins running scout team then Elgersma. For another, his experience in terms of preparation as a professional is extremely valuable. He also provides an instant change of pace if zach has to come out, and we can continue with a streveler pack based around short yardage/heavy set and hurry up with perkins. I'm bullish on Vibert, but he wasn't great in the first game. He did play mostly Guard, and he wasn't bad, but he didn't pop off the page either. I expect him to get a lot more reps and some time at C in game 2. Shays ' teams play comes from a great instinctual athletic ability to flow to the ball. He shows that on D, but its still raw compared to Smith.

I am guessing that it's Tui's job, he's gonna have to sharpen his pencil is all. I think he's going to have to show a lot more in game 2 because right now Perkins has a better command of the offence. I thought he showed good hustle and movement to the ball. He didn't show up on the stat sheet, but he flowed to the play nicely.

Actually, Marner is excelling in the playoffs now that he is away from the Makebeleafs.

Singer was pretty explosive. No other American receiver (outside of veterans) looked like they knew what the **** was going on out there.

yep and that’s best case scenario. give him a chance to bounce back. zach brown soo many other qbs made by their struggles

Nope...2 steps and he in 5th gear..at his size and strength he gonna pop a lot of big runs

woo hoo football!!! For pre-season I'm pretty impressed with the quality. Just so happy to be watching my favorite sport, even if its two teams I despise. 👍