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Glad to hear that but how is he on the ground? Ever seen an eagle run??? I imagine slow, but very majestically.

Personally, I see him as more of a romantic mafia type guy.

I understand that that Steven Miller guy can really fly - like an eagle, some say.

Glenn would make Montreal a championship caliber team in my opinion. Really? Because the name Kevin Glenn and championship caliber are not often used together, except ironically.

But he's friendly with the media so that means something, right? I chuckled at Taman's interviews after he got fired. Most people have the good sense to just shut up and move on, but not him.

Stone cold call and the cajones the size of grapefruits. or desperate times call for desperate measures. Seriously, I hope that O'Shea is finally learning to coach like he played. No retreat, no surrender.

Rumor has it that Lirim is punting and Sergio is placekicking. Remember you heard it here first!

relentless logic and not allowing people to get out of erroneous claims? Yeah it does tend to win debates. I call debating with you more of an "arguing with the wife" style, but you can call it whatever you want.

Is he THAT loyal though? He's fired people that folks said he'd never fire and that he personally likes, he's cut players not performing (just slower than some people like). I don't think O'Shea is loyal to a fault, I think he's just patient.... which is likely why so many here have a problem with him. Lotta knee jerk reactions types on message boards. Etch, MB and Kuale say hi and he tossed Etch and Kuale! Yes he did, but after the damage had been done and the season was over. He stuck by both even though it was clear that neither was good enough. In the case of Etch, it was pretty clear that he agonized over the decision, which is completely baffling to me because Etch was so incredibly bad. And you don't wait an entire season to see if an under performing MLB will suddenly "get it" especially when he was doing the same thing with another team before we signed him. Instead, you march down to your GM and get him to find you someone else chop bloody chop. So sorry, waiting for season's end to fix stuff doesn't count in my books. You're still confusing loyalty with patience. No sorry, I'm not. Patience is waiting to see if you can correct a problem, but acting when it becomes apparent that you can't Loyalty (the problematic kind) is hanging onto someone long after they've demonstrated that they are just not good enough under some delusion that a bolt from the blue will strike and they'll suddenly morph into the player/coach you always knew they would be. I will grant that it is possible that what we are seeing is not misplaced loyalty, but sheer stubbornness, or pride. Label it what you will, but the results seem to be the same. No you really are, trying to change the definition isn't a good argument, just trying to salvage a losing position. Oh yea, I forgot about your "debate style". Congratz, you win.

Is he THAT loyal though? He's fired people that folks said he'd never fire and that he personally likes, he's cut players not performing (just slower than some people like). I don't think O'Shea is loyal to a fault, I think he's just patient.... which is likely why so many here have a problem with him. Lotta knee jerk reactions types on message boards. Etch, MB and Kuale say hi and he tossed Etch and Kuale! Yes he did, but after the damage had been done and the season was over. He stuck by both even though it was clear that neither was good enough. In the case of Etch, it was pretty clear that he agonized over the decision, which is completely baffling to me because Etch was so incredibly bad. And you don't wait an entire season to see if an under performing MLB will suddenly "get it" especially when he was doing the same thing with another team before we signed him. Instead, you march down to your GM and get him to find you someone else chop bloody chop. So sorry, waiting for season's end to fix stuff doesn't count in my books. You're still confusing loyalty with patience. No sorry, I'm not. Patience is waiting to see if you can correct a problem, but acting when it becomes apparent that you can't Loyalty (the problematic kind) is hanging onto someone long after they've demonstrated that they are just not good enough under some delusion that a bolt from the blue will strike and they'll suddenly morph into the player/coach you always knew they would be. I will grant that it is possible that what we are seeing is not misplaced loyalty, but sheer stubbornness, or pride. Label it what you will, but the results seem to be the same.

Is he THAT loyal though? He's fired people that folks said he'd never fire and that he personally likes, he's cut players not performing (just slower than some people like). I don't think O'Shea is loyal to a fault, I think he's just patient.... which is likely why so many here have a problem with him. Lotta knee jerk reactions types on message boards. Etch, MB and Kuale say hi and he tossed Etch and Kuale! Yes he did, but after the damage had been done and the season was over. He stuck by both even though it was clear that neither was good enough. In the case of Etch, it was pretty clear that he agonized over the decision, which is completely baffling to me because Etch was so incredibly bad. And you don't wait an entire season to see if an under performing MLB will suddenly "get it" especially when he was doing the same thing with another team before we signed him. Instead, you march down to your GM and get him to find you someone else chop bloody chop. So sorry, waiting for season's end to fix stuff doesn't count in my books. And I will grant that maybe, he's slowly starting to get it when you bring up Tracey but I think that O'Shea is also sensing that the sand is running out of the hourglass. For me, the sign that he's truly getting it will be if MB is let go and how quickly it happens. Because if O'Shea has to agonize over MB like he did Etch, it tells me that he really doesn't get it.

Is he THAT loyal though? He's fired people that folks said he'd never fire and that he personally likes, he's cut players not performing (just slower than some people like). I don't think O'Shea is loyal to a fault, I think he's just patient.... which is likely why so many here have a problem with him. Lotta knee jerk reactions types on message boards. Etch, MB and Kuale say hi

What I desperately wish for is an experienced GM that could sit O'Shea down and mentor him. Explain how loyalty is great, but winning is greater. I don't think that Walters has the chops to do that and as a result the team suffers because of O'Shea's misplaced loyalty to coaches and players that just aren't good enough. He may just have to learn the hard way that keeping coaches and players that aren't that good, but who really love you just means that you'll have lots of guys willing to carry stuff out to your car as you clean out your office.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/bombers-kicker-lirim-hajrullahu-apologizes-for-missing-4-field-goals-1.3259456

Darrin Bauming ‏@DarrinBauming 10m10 minutes ago Lirim Hajrullahu says he made little mental adjustments (errors) on Saturday. "I personally would like to think that was a fluke game."

Yep some people are ignoring those things...probably because they have absolutely no bearing on this conversation. You can't apply generalities across the board as if they are absolutes. You judge MOS solely on his body of work, and with the facts you have, if you are the Bombers....certainly not on historical data. If we ignore history, we're doomed to repeat it. If you ignore context, you're doomed to sound like an idiot. Yup... let's ignore history because context (excuses) are so much more reliable. #haha As long as we want to remember history, let's do that by all means. I'm looking at our history of cleaning house every couple of years. Seems to me that we haven't done so well doing that, but by all means, let's do it again because 5th-or-6th-or7th time's the charm, right?

If you were going to throw in a draft pick or two to get Chick and Owens you would have gotten full marks from the Tamen School of Roster Management. As it is, trading younger guys for older ones only gets you part marks. Make sure that when you sign Owens and Chick you really front load their contracts too because... "F" the future.

Public ownership doesn't mean they can't get into financial trouble, especially if the will to support the team is gone. The people of Manitoba are unlikely to want to keep flushing their money. Other than constantly complaining about every single facet of the Blue Bombers organization, do you have anything else to contribute here? I seem to recall that in your first few posts you talked about how people don't often react favourably to what you have to say. I'm seeing why that is and the issue, I would suggest, does not lie with them.

I'd rather have an OC come in because he wants the team to succeed, not because he wants the team to fail so they'll fire the HC and promote him.

Personally, I think there's something going on there.

Yea, that's the ticket. Hire a guy with dubious OC credentials and hope that he'll be ever better as a HC. That's some smart football thinking there all right.

When Etch was let go, we got Hall. I'd consider that to be a huge upgrade. Think Hall would have signed on if O'Shea had been heading into his last year with no extension? I highly doubt it. We could have hired a top notch OC at that time like you suggest, but I don't think he'd have had a lot of success running the defense. If you don't extend O'Shea, you have almost zero chance of hiring the best OC available. That means you end up with people at the MB level of ability. Think we'll be any better in 2016 with that? If they think that O'Shea is worth keeping around, then they can offer him a one year extension. They risk very little doing that and the chances of us getting a better OC increase. If they don't want to offer his the extension, then fire him now and be done with it. I really don't think there is a third option here.

And then how do you propose we attract a top notch OC? No one with any brains is going to take a job when he knows that the HC has only one year left and hasn't been extended. That's a disaster waiting to happen.

The issue is between Lirim's ears because he didn't suddenly loose talent over the off season. He's been struggling all year and the big meltdown finally happened. Don't expect him to suddenly pull himself together and return to 2014 form anytime soon because if it was that easy to correct whatever is going on, he'd have already done it. It's going to be a bumpy last few games if he continues to play. Maybe, with the right professional help over the winter, he'll return to form in 2016.

If they don't extend O'Shea, at least for one more year, we will likely be narrowing the pool of OC's that will consider coming here. So after the season's done, if Walters is still here and not gone on to Guelph, he's going to either have to offer O'Shea an extension or let him go. I can't really see status quo as an option. And if a new GM comes in, then we clean house once again and all this is moot.