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Considering that we signed Sam Hurl to a big contract & have Bass & Randle as well on the outside I don't see Waggoner starting at MLB as some have suggested for a long time, if ever. He's a depth player for us right now. That's all he may ever be. As far as some saying here they trust Walters with this pick, what has he done the past 2 seasons to earn that trust? He's 9-18 career as a GM with the Bombers. There's nothing saying that Waggoner has to be a MLB. But, if he won the spot over Hurl, then I would call that upgrading our Canadian talent, which is a good thing, right? Again, you keep going on about the O line and how we're going to miss out on talent but you don't say who that talent actually is. Sounds to me like you're complaining for the sake of complaining. You don't like Walters, fine. I'm not sold on him either, but I think that Waggoner was a smart call. Is it guaranteed to work out? Of course not. But no pick ever is. We may be the worst team in the CFL come end of season & then no first round pick? That's okay because Waggoner MAY become the starting MLB over Hurl someday who was specifically brought in & paid well to be that MLB? Not happening. Not having (potentially) the first pick of the best player in CIS this season & somehow that's okay? Somehow,I don't see that as a great trade off. Considering that we signed Sam Hurl to a big contract & have Bass & Randle as well on the outside I don't see Waggoner starting at MLB as some have suggested for a long time, if ever. He's a depth player for us right now. That's all he may ever be. As far as some saying here they trust Walters with this pick, what has he done the past 2 seasons to earn that trust? He's 9-18 career as a GM with the Bombers. There's nothing saying that Waggoner has to be a MLB. But, if he won the spot over Hurl, then I would call that upgrading our Canadian talent, which is a good thing, right? Again, you keep going on about the O line and how we're going to miss out on talent but you don't say who that talent actually is. Sounds to me like you're complaining for the sake of complaining. You don't like Walters, fine. I'm not sold on him either, but I think that Waggoner was a smart call. Is it guaranteed to work out? Of course not. But no pick ever is. We may be the worst team in the CFL come end of season & then no first round pick? That's okay because Waggoner MAY become the starting MLB over Hurl someday who was specifically brought in & paid well to be that MLB? Not happening. Not having (potentially) the first pick of the best player in CIS this season & somehow that's okay? Somehow,I don't see that as a great trade off. Yes because a smart GM will always ask himself "Will we be the worst team in the league at years end?" and then make decisions based on that assumption. Come on man, it's ok to use a little logic. It helps season the rants nicely.

Considering that we signed Sam Hurl to a big contract & have Bass & Randle as well on the outside I don't see Waggoner starting at MLB as some have suggested for a long time, if ever. He's a depth player for us right now. That's all he may ever be. As far as some saying here they trust Walters with this pick, what has he done the past 2 seasons to earn that trust? He's 9-18 career as a GM with the Bombers. There's nothing saying that Waggoner has to be a MLB. But, if he won the spot over Hurl, then I would call that upgrading our Canadian talent, which is a good thing, right? Again, you keep going on about the O line and how we're going to miss out on talent but you don't say who that talent actually is. Sounds to me like you're complaining for the sake of complaining. You don't like Walters, fine. I'm not sold on him either, but I think that Waggoner was a smart call. Is it guaranteed to work out? Of course not. But no pick ever is.

Can't build a house without a foundation. A good team builds from the O Line out as the foundation. We don't have it.. So just out of curiosity, who do you see as the "can't miss - guaranteed starter - guy who will fix all of our o line issues" 2016 draft pick that we're going to miss out on?

ISO, If we had passed on Waggoner and next year he started to tear it up with Calgary, I'm guessing that you'd be complaining that the Bombers should have taken him when they had the chance? Talent is talent is talent. You need to have 7 Canadians starting, The best Canadians you can get. There's nothing in the rules that says 3-4 must be on the O line. The O Line needs to improve, absolutely, but I'm betting that there will still be O-linemen available next year when we pick. Not every quality player goes in the 1st round and not every 1st rounder is a guaranteed starter. I think that if Waggoner starts next year, we are likely way ahead of the curve.

With MB as our coordinator, it really doesn't matter who we brought in as a QB. That guy has got to go, and soon.

I chuckled at the comments regarding Buck Pierce as OC. Less than 2 years a a running back coach and people think he might be ready for a rather big jump up the ladder. At that rate we might as well hire a HC that has only a few years under his belt as a coach. Oh wait...

I know a guy who has, not one, but two knees. He's confident Drew could be out for a while. Take that to the bank.

I'd take Khari at this point too. I'd like to see Khari as OC as well, but wouldn't talking to him at this time constitute tampering? Yes. You don't try to pull away coaches mid season. Bad form, that

At least after he stunk up the joint, we could eat him…… assuming we win one of two against sask…. I figure we'll limp along to the end of the year with who we have. then can the offensive coach, (which solves all our problems according to some people here) …. this gets oshea one more year. we'll still be crappy next year, then Mike will be canned. If we lose both to sask, somebodies leaving involuntarily. that's my (admittedly relatively uniformed ) guess. coaches salaries have to be calculated into what they do as well. paying the fired guy, paying the new guy. ticket sales off. not good. Don't like to say it, but it's Hard to understand why they keep Brohm on the team. other than being a good guy, I can't see the point of keeping him around. Heck, I'm a good guy and can hold a clip board with the best and I would work a lot cheaper than Brohm. It would be nice to supplement my pension and I would be no less effective than Brohm.Can you shoot gophers with a football?Can we please stop the mud slinging? I think that they're talking about football slinging.

Maybe Waggoner can throw the ball?Unbelievable. If you hold the first pick you can trade it for assets or make the pick. No offense to Waggoner but we're really handicapped here. We won't be rebuilding our OL with a second round pick.If Waggoner is truly a first round talent, I've got no problem with Walters using it this year in the supplemental draft. So, we grabbed Waggoner & say we finish last or second last. Then have nothing to show for it? We need offensive linemen not linebackers or defensive backs. How does that make us better? It doesn't. Not saying he isn't a good player but in the big picture he wasn't worth it. Quality Canadians are quality Canadians and you take them when you can. Calgary seemed to want him too, so clearly, he's worth a 1st. You can't make draft decisions based on "what happens if we don't make the playoffs at the end of the year". I don't think that he's a bad pick or a wasted pick etc. They took a guy because they thought that he was talented enough that he would have been a first rounder if he had been in the original draft. I tend to agree, judging by the interest that was shown. So, in a year that was considered to be a strong draft year, we got two 1st rounders. I'm ok with that.

One of the first things that Walters did upon becoming GM was to give himself a pay cut and put the money saved into the scouting operations. That impressed the hell out of me. Mack was paid as VP and GM. Walters is just GM. So he would have got a pay cut either way. You realize that those are just titles, right? Walters is the head football guy, same as Mack was. Both answered to the President/CEO and appear to have the same responsibilities except for the fact that Walters appears to have more subordinates. So yea, he probably could have asked for and received the same pay as Mack. Doubt it. They'd have to be pretty stupid to pay someone with about 2 years of relevant experience the same as someone with 30. What would you pay him if he had success and eventually had to re-sign? Well, Mack definitely has more overall football experience, but I'm fairly sure that he had never sat in the big chair before we hired him. That makes him a rookie GM, just like Walters. I'll concede that he might have made a little more starting than Walters, but I'd be surprised if it was considerably more.

O'Shea would probably say something like "Drew gives us the best chance to win, so I'm not going to ask the guys to play hard and not give them every chance to be successful." Translation: I need wins to keep my job, so he plays.

One problem....actually a few... Yes there of course is such a thing as rookie mistakes, but there are also mistakes that you simply should just know better as a quarterback playing professional football. The first pick across his body - Inexcusable regardless of experience. He's not an accurate passer, he can't read the defence, and he's starting to get happy feet in the pocket as well now that he's getting acustomed to playing behind out line. It's not about looking like the "second coming of Warren Moon", it's about there being something as a passer, not a runner, that you can build off of, or something that flashes that makes you say as a coach "okay, we can work with this", or develop this, something to that effect. You saw it with Reilly, Willy, and Collaros as they were breaking in. You're not seeing it with Robert Marve. Yes, Marve made some mistakes yesterday but here's the thing, in their second game, I'm betting that Reilly, Willy and Collaros did too. Ya, he threw that pass across his body and Dunnigan was quick to point out that you should never do that, but I'm betting that during his career, Matty did do exactly that because people sometimes make mistakes and try to make things happen because they want to win, and do things that they really shouldn't have. A mistake like that is correctable if the guy is actually given some time to learn and develop more. The problem here is right now the team is asking him to do something that he's just not ready to do, be a starter. That's not his fault, that rests with our GM and HC for allowing Brohm to remain on this team and on our OC for the overall strategy. Actually in fairness, we really can't blame Marcel. He's mediocre. Always has been, always will be, so we are getting exactly what we should expect from him. MOS allowed him to be the OC so really you can't blame MB for being MB. So from my point of view, what we witnessed yesterday has way more to do with Walters and O'Shea than it does with Marve. He's just the symptom, not the disease.

I for one, am completely shocked that a quarterback with one start under his belt came in and did not immediately look like the second coming of Warren Moon. What we saw out of Marve was exactly what we should have seen, a young guy with potential hving to lead a team far before he's really ready to do that. Factor in the fact that we have MB as our OC and really, what more could you expect from the kid. Personally, I think that he might be a good QB one day, but not just yet. 3rd string is exactly where he should be. The problem is that our 1st string is injured and MB's pet project, Brohm is useless. Clearly, this offence will not get better until we can find a quality OC and a proper backup. The ball is now fully in Walter's court (backup QB wise, and MOS' (for a proper OC).

One of the first things that Walters did upon becoming GM was to give himself a pay cut and put the money saved into the scouting operations. That impressed the hell out of me. Mack was paid as VP and GM. Walters is just GM. So he would have got a pay cut either way. You realize that those are just titles, right? Walters is the head football guy, same as Mack was. Both answered to the President/CEO and appear to have the same responsibilities except for the fact that Walters appears to have more subordinates. So yea, he probably could have asked for and received the same pay as Mack.

What is scout? ................. Sorry for being thick here, I looked it up on google to no avail, so running scout is imitating what the opponents offense is going to be doing so your defense can prepare for them. Is that right? You might want to upgrade your Google... Scout team - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In sports, the scout team, also referred to as a practice team, taxi squad, practice squad or practice roster, is a group of players on a teamwhose task is to emulate future opponents for the featured (or starting) players.

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Here's something that I taught my kids and might help you too. If you continually find that people are acting like jerks to you (like for example, on various internet boards) there can only be two explanations: 1- You're the most unlucky guy in the world and no matter where you go, you end up surrounded by jerks. or 2- They aren't the jerks, but there's a jerk present. Now, on the balance of probabilities, which do you think is most likely?

Great, just great. Longo sets with a narrow base. Just once, couldn't Walters find someone who sets with a wide base? I mean, come on, what is he thinking...

Yep I'm really stumped on how it is perceived around here that we are in a better position here in bomber villa but it might change when we go to 3-6 unfortunately.man.. do you two ever get tired of being so depressed and pessimistic? id never wanna get outta bed lol.Too bad you do!Jk! Really I guess I'm spoiled I grew up in the Cal Murphy years and Mike Riley was my favourite coach of all the Blue coaches. I have seen the best and it's tough to witness all the years of sub par coaches since. Hey if I'm wrong about MOS I'll be actually pretty damn happy. We will see. While you wait to see, could you do so quietly? Thanks.

Nope move MOS back to special teams coach with Higgins experience we are a better team.Take the blinders off. Wow! Seriously? You honestly think that you could call in your HC, tell him he's being demoted and he'd happily clean out his office for the new guy. What ever it is you're smoking, cut back, seriously...

I'm sure a big chunk of those fans are driving in from Calgary for the game. Considering it's only half Stampeder fans at McMahon for games against the Riders, not even a chance. Obviously some, but not many. That's total bullshit. That's why I hate & totally disrespect the Rider fanbase when they post total garbage like this. The Stamps have 24,000 season tickets in a 35.000 seat stadium. So how do nearly 20,000 Rider fans get in? Most of the fans there cheering for the Riders are drunken douchebags. Give me a frigging break. Ok sorry, that was an exaggeration, but they still fill it up a decent bit. Anyhow, there aren't going to be that many Stamps fans in Regina. There will obviously be a few as always, but not "a big chunk". Yeah but when you go to a game in Calgary vs. the Bombers there's a ton of Bomber fans in there too, when the Lions are in town there's a ton of Lions fans. That's just what happens when you are in a city with a large population that has moved there from out of province. The Riders aren't some unique fanbase, especially when it comes to Calgary. Exactly. Through many decades the youth of Saskatchewan fled their family farms to other provinces to gain employment in other provinces. Saskatchewan teetered on the brink of insolvency for the better part of 50 years prior to the last decade. With no other major economy other than farming and no prospect of employment other than driving tractor for minimum wage, Saskatchewanites spread out across the country at a rate only rivaled by Newfoundland. Once in their new homes, they developed a kind of survivor's guilt for leaving and the only sports team from "back home" they could rally their survival guilt around was the Riders. The success of the Rider brand across Canada has more to do with that than anything else. Not wanting to be seen as turncoats by the province that raised them but they ultimately abandoned, they don green and go to games in the hopes that somehow it will rectify the damage that was done by the mass exodus they were a part of. Sad really. In short the Rider's success around the league speaks more to the former sad state of affairs of their home province than it actually does about their football team. Same could probably be said about the high number of Bomber fans that attend games in Alberta. Although, there are far fewer of us, the reasons for attending are about trying to keep allegiances with the provinces left behind. This post is sadly very true in some ways. I left Sask right out of high school for the Alberta Oilfields. Is what it is. I also returned home at the first opportunity and have lived here many years. I don't blame anyone for moving or doing what they have to do to support their families, That's got ****-all to do with what team they cheer for. FYI I have 3 Manitoba boys on my crew here and they still like the Bombers, I wouldn't expect them to turn on the team they grew up cheering for just because they moved here. Please tell those Manitoba boys that they have our deepest sympathies. Also, could you remind them that waking up screaming at night is completely normal, given their circumstances.

From what i recall, Jones wasn't really a true LB. He was a edge pass rusher 90% of the time, lining up wide off the tackle usually very close to the LOS. Watching Odell play in Tim Burke's 'jack' position reminded me of how Jones lined up. I think we could use that trio nowadays -- West at mac, Battle at wil, Jones at DE. But yeah, they'd have to bring Rod Hill or Ken Hailey along to play SAM/dime. (It'd be interesting to see how Jones would fare in today's option-happy CFL. Because the man was about one thing--destroying quarterbacks.) Given his age, I'm guessing that things would not go too well.

Trick question 17to85 because the answer is our starting Offensive Coodinator

3 to 5 seems like it would work fine in most situations. By the way, the Riders are 0-6.