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How will O'Shea handle the QB's? He won't have an answer for that until he looks at the film.

Our lesson for today is: Buttering up the new boss.

Pretty sure that if a US based player is offered a job in the CFL, his first question isn't, "Let's see, if I draw an 800 km circle around the city that wants to sign me, how many other cities and people does that cover?" Your argument is weak (and that's being charitable) and I can't see any evidence that it would matter to the vast majority of people that want to play pro ball. If an American kid is going to consider coming north to play, it's because he loves the game and wants a chance to show his stuff and maybe get a shot at the NFL. He's not likely planning to settle down in Canada and start a family, so day trip opportunities are not going to be a consideration.

And in that scenario, the buck stops where exactly?

Is that Rider math?

so you're suggesting that the BC defensive playbook contains plays that have assignments for 10-11 guys and 1 or 2 "do whatever"? I highly doubt that.

Merry Christmas to one and all (ever Riders fans)!

Well, I suppose that another question can be asked. If Etch's d's are not the issue, why has he had little long term success? When a guy the Etch can't hold down a position for any length of time, does that not tell you something? And when a guy can't get work in the league for three years after what could be described as his best run (2008-2010), what does that say? You can try and defend him if you wish but what happened to him here has happened to him before. That's sort of why we said he'd be good for a little while and then, not so much, because there's been a pattern of that happening. Pretty hard to argue history.

Isn't that the drill that Etch developed to help Kuale strengthen his chest thumping arm?

Benevides was there for a very long time... Good players and good coaches go hand in hand. I tend to agree. It's always strange to me when people suggest that a coach was only successful because he had good players. Well, players, no matter how good, need a system that supports them and provides strategies, guidance and refinement of the skills they are ready have. Without those things, no player, or group of players will ever be good on their own. We often call that sort of system "coaching".

If they extended Feoli-Gudino, does that mean that he's also collapsible?

That O'Shea could not see that or perhaps chose not to intervene is worrisome. O'Shea ought to have had enough experience to know the Etch's "system" was deeply flawed from day one. That's not really accurate. As much as Etch's system is flawed, it worked very well for us in its initial stages and MOS certainly cannot be blamed for smiling…as long as we were winning. The problems arose much later and only were really a problem because our offence got bogged down time and time again. We had our chances to win a few more games last year and our defence was not the source of that failure to win. Having said that…thank goodness that system is gone. But hasn't that always been the indictment of Etch's system? It works well for a little while, but once OC's have enough film, it stops working. So again, that really should not have been a big surprise to O'Shea, because a lot of us were saying that when he was hired. Personally, I had some small hope that maybe Etch had matured enough to realize that there's a reason that "traditional" systems are used the most, but sadly it seems like he still suffers from "I'm the smartest guy in the room" syndrome. We had a head coach a few HC's ago that had the same sort of opinion about himself. He lasted a year too.

Etch was about 5th choice for O'Shea. I'm not sure who else was available at the time. The only person I remember hearing about that was pursued by the Bombers before Etch's hiring was Stubler. Who else was in that list?

Ya, Etch's strategy was bad. A lot of us knew that the moment they announced his hiring last year. The big question was, and remains, why didn't our newly minted head coach see it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CdVTCDdEwI

Has anyone heard about Brohms thumb? Yeah, I know this one. Brohm's thumb walks into a bar and... No. No. No. It goes: a horse walks into a bar and the bartender says,"Why the long face?" A sandwich walks into a bar. Bartender says, "Sorry we don't serve food here."

And I voted for Benevides because I'm tired of seeing the Bombers bring in rookies to see if they're ready to make the leap to the next level. Let's let someone else throw those dice for a change and go after someone with a proven, successful track record

Both Etch and MB have been HCs Dont really see the difference on why it would matter to him now. Because both of them have proven that neither would come close to taking away anyone's job. So are you saying O'Shea brought in coaches that are kinda good but not that good? Cuz thats a pretty stupid way of going about hiring coaches that are supposed to help you win... No? Well, that's exactly what he did do, regardless of his motivation. Both were well know commodities and neither was being sought out. So, good but not that good might be about as kind a description as you'll get.

I'm happy that Etch is gone. I'd be even happier if we could know that this was O'Shea realizing that he made a mistake versus someone upstairs telling him that Etch is gone whether O'Shea likes it or not.

We are going to stand pat and I expect another mediocre season. O'Shea will not admit that his coordinator choices were weak, so he's going to carry on. I expect, at best, that we end up making the playoffs and losing in the semi-final. And I think that's a rather generous "best case".

Excellent news. Welcome back.

I think there's been some confusion. As I understand it, after he was released the roll he was offered was one of these:

I don't know but I want someone to find out the reason and explain it to us NOW.

I thought it was the cone of silence.