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Yep. Might even be more than that with camp invites.

They do, when the locker room has just the right amount of flooding.

Cleveland browns are the most successful franchise in modern sports history. Along with the maple leafs.

Tackles doesn’t mean much. Maruo was leading us in sts tackles couple years ago and got benched. Kick cover is one role in teams which has a lot of different sets and roles. Wes lysack was leading the league in tackles here in his last season. We cut him mid season. Tackles are not a success indicator. Not on teams not on D. They are pointed at because they are strong teams players. Exume was good here last year after we picked him up and we improved with him here but he didn’t stack up tackles. The Hallets are good soldiers good players. They aren’t great or the best at any thing. All depends on who gets nfl deals, camp invites etc. still guys declaring for the draft too.

That’s true. I suspect this is the new normal. Which sucks. Imo we need a developmental system for Canadian kids. The gap between rookie imps and nis has never been bigger.

Ford is raw as a teams guy mostly returning kicks in college and won’t out do exume who got drafted based on teams ability alone and has been doing it at a high level for 4 seasons. Hallett wasn’t our best teams guy at any point in his time here. Clements cut his teeth in this league as a strong teams guy. We spent the last 3 drafts picking teams guys with little to show for it.

Could be a chance to draft rotational players with upside in the front 6 in the cis and global draft this year. If we come out of those any thing close to 16/19 we will be in great shape. If it’s like our last couple drafts we are gonna be scrounging for ni talent. How bout that 19 draft in retrospect though. Desjarlais, kongbo, Brady, Eli, Hallett, and exume. Great draft in general, couple misses but you’d be hard pressed to do better even with hindsight.

To be fair we did some funky stuff with kick cover scheme last year. I think that’ll change and our cover team will look much better. Especially if we keep the right cover guys on the roster. Yep. Also a big problem is we have hardly any back ups with upside. Thomas is passed it, but most of those guys are bottom 5 nis on the roster. Guys who can play teams and packages but are serious liabilities doing more. Save for Dobson, and Kramdi/ford we could improve on every single one of those back ups. We will start 1 ni db again I’m sure. Should be ford. Also likely that we will keep Eli at C, and start Dobson. Dobson as a back up plays guard. Eli can back up c and g. Hopefully Eli takes kolas job and kola is the back up c/g. in which case I’d hope for a young ol with upside who can replace kola but that isn’t likely this year. Also *lawson and *Kramdi. We lack candidates for next man up. If Brady or Demski go down we are screwed. Also if Bryant wj, or ba, go down we are screwed. This year needs to see us go younger and develop a new wave of impact players. Up for targeted guys or down for established league guys I’m hoping we do some thing.

I like both those guys. I don’t think either has ratio breaking starter potential. agree 100%. It’s early, a lot can change still. But I think our floor, with good health, is an 11 win team. If we hit a schoen Esq impact rookie on D I think it’s a 13 win team.

6’2 240 strong athlete good gap filling tackle box lber.

I don’t think any ol we pick this year will be able to make an impact and be available to roster this year. It’s likely the new norm that you get ol who are a year away from being available or two years away from being good.

Thats true, but you also can’t rate mos alone on our current success either. He was on the hot seat before the gc run. If we didn’t end up with collaros and winning the 19 cup, do you think he’d a kept his job? Would he lose it after another year? The hard thing with rating mos is he actually did more to make us win when we were worse. End had the same flaws, but his contribution to our teams coaching and play calling, and on D too. They did, because they hated losing. The defence expected to carry us to wins then. Even though especially in 21 our offence could as well. Faith didn’t get more than that. Bennett was better than faith but still pretty lame. Honestly hurts nothing to bring him to camp. Aren’t likely at this point to add more than one ni de either. It was a laughable claim. Makes some of this seem border line trollish tbh. I’d say we are average ish in terms of top end and depth. But mainly because we’ve previously hoarded ni ol and that’s the most valuable position to have them at. But the guys we have are old. I’d bet our average roster ni age is the highest in the league

Last two years this team should’ve handily won the gc. Underachieving the main goal with the best team isn’t an achievement. Take the best roster and team and finish with a great record that’s kind of expected. Marty Schottenheimer is a great example of a nfl coach who was considered great, but underachieved when it counted most. He got the rap of a guy who could turn a team around and could take you to a big game but not win it. Mos isn’t a Marty. But he’s also not a bill Walsh. At the end of the day, his teams don’t hate losing enough. Culture is more important to him than winning.

Osh loves limited use role guys

Thing is our Canadian depth has been on the weak side the last two years save for back up ol. Do you think the 3ni safety’s are better than import dbs like Parker? Do you think Bennett and Schmekel are better than Habba or fox? Our back up candians aren’t better players than our back up imp players. Nis are well behind the imps position by position league wide. People just don’t get it. They watched rotations with high quality guys propel us to grey cups and still can’t see the Forrest from the trees. We’ve also seen countless times useless guys like hurl, kuale, up to Jackson rostered and even started. People talked bad about pigrome thinking he wouldn’t get picked up or how he’s not worth it now. But the same people don’t recognize that the mos guys that start or kr seldom if ever get picked up when we let them go. We start guys then let them go in the off season and no one wants them as back ups. mos is the best player manager, culture guy, and leader in the league. He’s also the worst at setting up a roster.

It’s hard to tell if the last 4 ish drafts have just been weak or if this is just the norm now. The nfl vacuum is at an all time high. Feeding the larger and more expensive tcs and prs.

3rd and 1 sneak is on the ol. This concept that it’s lame difficult high value role is insane. Even when poopkup was running upright it was fine. That’s a great point. 3dn is very good at gathering fa and contract info. They do have a place and value. For me, the value when we heard actual football stuff was much higher. But they still do fill a gap that wouldn’t get covered other wise. I wish we had a football oriented site, and that we didn’t get some of the

Agree 100%. the best thing 3dn had was the anonymous weekly quote article and that’s been gone a while

Maybe, but if he isn’t taking a bargain deal he isn’t playing again. And that is a heavy weight that just gets heavier. yeah, we’ve been picking guys hoping they would insert right away on teams and develop into rotational players or better. And missed on damn near all of them. We aim low and still don’t get value. Our depth problems are damn near all chalked up to drafting poorly. We got guys starting that shouldn’t and back ups that are fringe last guy on the roster types. I’m hopeful that we will improve that this year. If we’re just going for teams guys we should look to trade 4th or lower for guys who are in the league. Some thing. I think we will see a run on linemen and wrs in this draft from the bombers. Eric Wilson went both ways for us as well.

Bucks heart was worth more alone than most all the rest of those QBs. 3dn has gone to pot and was mediocre for the most part at its peak. It shows both and has a 0 in both.

You’re talking trash about his pre season, camp and rookie camp play, writing it off based on one short yardage play lol. You were also certain no one else was gonna pick him up. Or roster him. All the purpose is listed in comparison to our rookies, and number of arms needed. barriere is a guy worth sitting on for a year based on arm talent alone. I hope he isn’t one of those two weeks and out guys. oh man team goltz days that was bad. We had soo many flops. Brown isn’t any thing like goltz. By that logic we should’ve stuck with kerwin bell over khari. The move would’ve been to go with strevler and brown. Then we’d have an insurance policy. Streveler plays with reckless abandon. Having an extra running qb would be a good idea, since he’s our back up to collaros and a package weapon.

Likely both imo. The good OL bodies will be long term gambles. We likely go to the replacement level pile for another guy like kola. At this point, Likely some one worse than gray or gray him self. But I don't think they have interest in moving gray to guard and want to roll with eli/dobson inside.

4 qbs under contract right now. 2 have experience in the league, 1 has experience in our offence. If we are going to go 5 arms, Pigrome would be the perfect guy. Wont have to learn the offence, or the league like the 2 rookies. Imo, the sweet spot for arms in camp is right in the 4-5 range. More than that and multiple guys aren't getting enough reps. Less than 4 is playing with real fire. Right now we have 17 dbs under contract, with 16 wrs. A bit less than the 20 ish we normally roll into camp with, but plenty of time plus the draft still to go. We also have a high rate of cutting rookie qbs with in a few weeks of them landing. There is an eye test or some thing that weeds guys out here FAST. So with 2/4 rookie qbs going into camp right now, I believe we will sign 1 more qb between now and the start/end of rookie camp. Pigrome has oodles of talent, and could back up strevy with the run package etc. It would allow us to sit and groom Barriere at our own pace. That said, I don't know the last time we cut a QB, and ended up bringing them back. So for me, while it's a clear win and a perfect pick up It makes entirely too much sense and is one of those moves that we just don't seem to make.

Wow that’s abysmal. Crazy to look at how long that list is.

Damn near need a Chad Kelly containment thread