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In the NBA, they say you are the player you are going to be after 3 seasons. Significant jumps up in performance after that window are extremely rare. Football is far more varied, with some positions having very small windows (RB, DB, Lber), others having large windows (QB, OL, Canadian LOL). Because QBs have long windows (MBT, Khari, Zach), it can be hard. Most people still write off the first year for a QB. I don't think we've seen plenty of guys step in early and succeed. Even the NFL is cooling off on the 1 year on the bench for top pick QBs. But the 2nd pro TC is a huge checkpoint. Especially up here. You would expect any rookie to take a decent-sized step forward going into their 2nd TC in general or up here. The next step forward is moving up to being QB2. Not a huge difference between being QB3 and being on the PR Very few snaps come your way, the team's prep for you is minimal, you likely spend more time with the QB coach than the OC in the prep time before a game. But as a QB2, that all changes. You get snaps in each practice, you get coached, even just to run a scout team, you are involved more in play install, and heavily involved with the game on the sideline. You go from chucking balls on the side to anyone who wants to warm up and standing around to signaling and talking to the sideline coach (QB or OC) on most snaps. After that, it gets hard as you need primary reps to progress and show it. Next week, on Tuesday, Wilson will have been here for 2 years. He's had 2 full TCs, and he's been QB2 for 14 games in the CFL. Including 2 playoff games and appearing in the GC. From TC 1 to the end of TC2, and both pre-seasons, he hasn't shown improvement. He's Poised, Athletic, and has the Arm. He hasn't shown even flashes of the ability to locate the ball, throw on time, get the ball out to a spot on time, read the D, or run an offense. Dru brown struggled early to the point he only got on the roster for 2 games in 21. He was bad in the preseason, he was worse in the late-season window that we worked him in. 22 TC, he came in having taken a big step forward. He led the game-winning drive in W1 after Zach got knocked out and moved up the chart. Late that year, he got a chance and stepped up big again. At 23, he's the best backup QB in the league. 24, he's QB1 for ott. Wilson is now at the point, time line-wise, where Dru was when he beat up on BC and put up 350 yards. But his progress is that of a rookie in his first training camp. Pigrome was gone from here in his first year, and gone from the league after 2. Sean McGuire was a depth guy one year, then QB2. He flopped and was gone at the end of his 2nd year. Prukop was in Tor for 2.5 years, then here for 2 years, then EDM for 1. Strevy was here 2 years, went to the NFL, came back, and now is nearing the end of 2 years, has one foot out the door. Or he sure should. It's not impossible that Wilson still takes a step forward. But it is getting to be extremely unlikely. Even if he takes a good step forward, that makes him a decent QB2. Not a QB1 candidate. He's a year away from being a year away. We have failed to work him in this year, despite some good opportunities to do so. He really needs one in the final window of this season. And he needs to show serious progression. Except Mr.Perfect. Would've been perfect if he caught that.

Oh brother, how disconnected from society art thou? Proper punctuation, sentence structure, and spelling are like speaking Latin in a kindergarten class these days, or Old English. Judging a persons intellect by their writing is a fool's errand. If we did that, we would have to discard the great Russian writers like Gogol and Dostoevsky. The ladder of whom has their own name spelled wrong on a huge amount of their published works. Or at that rate, William Shakespeare, who could only manage to sign his will with an X. Or Leonardo Davinci, who repeatedly failed to properly spell many basic words in his journal. Along with many others, I can list if you really like. Even though the likes of EB White and William Strunk would admit that these are pedantic ways to judge people. Even though the hate they had for abuse of grammar led to the publishing of the best pocket book on writing ever, and its later revisions and popularity. This is the football equivelant of judging a QBs scouting report based on how pretty his girl friend is. Bad engineers, maybe. Good engineers are problem solvers. Great Engineers can solve problems and turn that process into value. I've known and worked with many in my life, and it's always easy to see the good and great engineers. Calculators, who haven't spent much time in a pocket.

I just wonder how badly we have to bottom out before the brass realizes the situation we are in. It's like they expect us to catch a flukey run, win out to the grey cup then be able to mail it in for another year.

Boy, we really are gonna run back last weeks roster arent we? Just put zach back on, even if he can't go, and make no significant changes. Not even gonna cycle guys on the PR.

Sort of. You have high ceiling vs high floor guys, and guys like Dru brown will always take polishing before they produce. But High floor guys do exist and are findable. Shea patterson came into the league in 21 and broke out in 24, dolegala was in one year and broke out the next. So they didn't just walk in and produce, but strev has to be able to produce. The mafia has become the Sultans of Stink. Decent, is a very long way from good. We ran a fast passing game back then with a balanced run attack, which helps the OL. Glenn, also had a fast release and elite ability to get the ball out when pressured (shovels, couple alley oops, changing arm angles, once even threw the ball with his off hand.) and blink was very similar. He was constantly met in the back field then would slip out and gain 5-7 yards. That is the most over rated OL in our history imo. They had every thing tailored to them and weren't dominant.

not a game, not a game… we talking bout practice It isn’t. and on top of that we do little more than theatrical walk throughs. It’s possible to make the most of of them, though not easy. so we just dont worry about it.

tremendous arm talent and athleticism. really good poise too. My concern with wilson is he doesn’t seem to have timing, touch/accuracy on intermediate stuff and I didn’t see him take any steps forward from last year. He’s one of those home run swing prospects. his ceiling is very high if he puts every thing together, but he seems far from that point, very low floor. For my money, Grainger has more arm talent and significantly more dynamic talent, and was only a bit more raw. We saw dru brown start off with a really low floor and high ceiling, but he showed significant improvement after every opportunity. Wilson not seeming to have any of those steps this deep into year 2 worries me. reminds me a lot of dom davis. That said he hasn’t seen action since pre season, but with how limited/low quality practice reps are now I have a hard time seeing him take a step forward. But, we don’t stand to lose a lot by giving him a shot. he Should've gotten reps in the last game. If zach isn’t at practice to start the week, we should see roster moves. one way or another we need to bring in another qb with experience in the cfl.

does he have another game in him though? do we go for concussion no4 this year?

Yeah, broxton was here for a bit. Plus dobson who is killing it this year. Yeah, I dont see a lot of teams pursuing our FAs this year though. hope fully we go back into buy/build mode.

Fajardos base deal this year was 180k, mbt 185k. Patterson in the off season was 88k. Iirc strev was in the 100-150k range with incentives that could’ve brought him up to 300k range. Given all that, I think you will usually spend about 900k on your 3 qbs in the cfl right now. With starters in the 400-600 range including starting incentives. I think established vets, high value qb2s market is in the 175k-250k range. with fringe starters in the 200-350 range. Obviously how much you budget for qbs 3 will trickle down. for us, i could see elgersma getting 150-200 with incentives and opt out. While what will happen depends a lot on zachs health, I think we will likely be in a position where we want to pay for a vet qb3. So for streveler, i could see 150k, if he’s bringing enough value. which would be fairly easy if you can take the kids gloves off and use him as a full on battering ram. That said, I think one of he and zach needs to go. so if zach doesnt retire due to injury, id rather go in another direction.

tbh if he isn’t gonna be a qb1, that’s what’s left for him. just a short yardage guy and where ever you can make use of him

you’re right. though it does take time with the same unit to get them to that point. and we see changes every other week. On that note, big props to yoshi for pulling his career off the scrap heap for a second time. he looks worlds better than the last 2-3 years here. Dobson too. dude is finally down to where he should be weight wise and not struggling to adjust to being lighter. We are like that bf that gets dumped then his exs become hot. The former bombers list of ol around the league would be the best ol in the league. If we finally jettisoned kola and either started wallace or eli, then ran with the 3 imps our ol would improve a lot.

yeah i mean if he’s not gonna be a qb1, you can just unleash him as a football player. Put him out on kick cover like we did with bryan bennett in the past.

look at how poorly hogan has used established weapons though, imo streveler stinks but hogan is awful. if you can’t run with brady and 3 imp ol, you can’t run an offense in this league.

vanterpool isn’t bond at guard, but he’s not far off. Randolph is good at RT, a lot better than early hardrick was. Them and lofton aren’t bad, and not the weak spot on our ol that’s for sure. if we went forward with them as starters our ol would improve. problem is really the rest of the old guard. wallace is developing too, and a bit better than what we stuck with in gray, dobson etc prior.

2nd 3 game losing streak of the year. Bcs win last night pulled them into a tie with us for the last spot in the west (we own the tie breaker) and bc has calgary next week. If edmonton beats toronto they would also pull into a tie with us. We’ve sure put our self in a bad position this year.

idk chris injury at the end of the game looked brutal. He might come to the realization that he doesn’t have it as well

it’s because he’s got nothing for a DL

course he didn’t

1 strev padded a lot in trash time, gave away too much to hamilton 2 Hogan another garbage game plan and play call 3 mos/walters for turning a historic dynasty team into… this. ch dexter lawson jr getting tackled by the turf twice on one play

oh man his knee yes

strevy passes 200 yards passing for the 6th time in his career!

dobson sure did lean out this year wow pitty play by hamilton

sweet sky daddy we are gonna end up kicking from our own end zone

soft af