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I think mos in torontos targets would include kramdi, gauthier, hallett, cody, strev and maybe a vet or two we’d cut. I don’t think he’d go full hamilton on our cuts. I’d send him a very nice thank you note at the very least

it’s the cfl, you can very easily fail up into promotions, forget carrying over hc gigs. Every established hc in this league could keep coaching in this league till they died if they wanted. Plus, all coaches in pro sports and football have a half life. No matter how good they are. And some times a coach just needs a change of pace. Like when saban was with the dolphins. Football in general, remember that kelly just got another job running a whole league and that mack wasn’t out of work longer than he wanted to be. I mean how many times has chris jones returned now, and how long till he returns? Think she’d come back for a victory lap if that happened? bet she would lol. I love lapo as a football mind, color and panel guy. Though I do get a lil nauseous flash back every time he says “throw behind the line route” of nichols throwing it to harris on 2nd and 8 then him churning for 4 yards and us punting again. I don’t need to see that guy running an offence again in the cfl. There are young guys in this league and country who deserve a shot to move up. as well as players aging out ready to start taking low level roles. Look at what ssk has done with their young staff. I don’t think any one needs retreads.

I would LOoove to see mos give an honest assessment of what he needs done to the roster, from his coaching staff and what he needs to do better. But I think all we’d get publicly is a no changes needed we know what we need to fix and it’s easy. Like we did last year.

I also like the wall between gm/hc over all. But with the limitations of the cap and coaching roster, I think a lot of guys need to do double duty. I think having a hc / agm working with a gm / sdpp(or president) and using that pay to slot in more scouting especially with in the cfl offers a gigantic advantage. That is a damn good point! If we keep JY, maybe as an ast hc, I think he would be an upgrade to mos. With out walters, down grade imo. You know mos was the hc here before 2017 right? The 3 previous seasons to that even. 3 blown gcs, 2 years of heavy under performance due to the roster, Mos and our success are not mutually inclusive by any means. Why not give another strawman a chance?

Idk, I mean we could do worse. A lot worse actually. I’m not sure milanovich would be my primary target, but he’d be better than some junk retread.

I agree that if mos goes walters stays.

If mos is gone, it’s hard to predict if we go with a rehash or go to an up and comer. The options aren’t amazing, especially for established hcs. Any thing could happen.

I’m surprised hamilton wants mos. Are they gonna kick milanovich for mos and make him gm too? that’d be wild

Most of the posters here have been posting for 20 years. It’s safe to say virtually every person here knows exactly how bad things can be. Thing is, for several sweaty fans, being a team that continually chokes in the gc, is not significantly worse than a team that is young and just not good enough yet. This schism exists in all areas of sports, but it’s seldom talked about. Some people love to win, others hate to lose. That’s the major divide we’ve seen among bomber fans since we started gifting gc wins to teams starting mediocre back up qbs. We are basically at the very bottom of the roller coasters dive. we have the entire process left to get back to a respectable quality team. And we can’t even be sure that we will start that process this off season. If we bite the bullet and don’t wait to respond to other teams actions this off season, I think we can be a scrappy young team next year. If we stay a pile of the usual senior citizen suspects, hard to see us being more than crappy.

I wouldn't bring him back for half that to start. I'd only bring him back on a cheap deal with some incentives if he is the fake canadian on the roster and we rotate him heavily at end. Neuf hasn't been the same for a couple of years now. But none of our guards, since Desjarlais, have lived up to much of anything. If you get rid of Kola, I think you can bring back the rest of the ol, to compete with the young guys and bringing in 1 FA, then see how goodthe guys are when they aren't playing next to the worst linemen the league has seen in at least 10 years. This includes DL being forced into action on the OL. I would love to see a Bryant get a shot at G, Neuf at C, maybe lofton at G, and Vanterpool at T. If vanterpool doesn't crack it at T, he should be penned in at G next year. Once you subtract kola, a lot of guys will likely look a lot better. Sadly that is the state of the league these days. The good news is that NI crop, plus a depth FA or two, and a good draft will be very nice. I think you nailed it here. I would add Lofton back at vet min wouldn't be bad for camp. Shouldn't be at the expense of adding a high end ol this off season though. Glad some one recognized how important Cadwallader is on teams here, not just kick cover either, he is a teams stud on each unit. Does soo much more than just run and tackle. I like Gauthier, but Idk if he has another year in him at a high enough leve. It didn't seem like he had it this year either tbh. And we have a glut both at Lber and with NI lbers.

Just a note, lofton hasn’t figured in this last year. Randolph was the rt starter. Between rando and vanterpool I’m pretty happy with our imp ol talent. Gotta dig up new guys every year, and I think we need to be starting 3 imps minimum

Yeah I agree. It’s like we chose to blanket let guys go who hit free agency. And then I really don’t get why we haven’t committed to replacing any of the premium fa losses.

To be fair, yoshi has back slid into carrying far too much weight, couldn’t stay healthy and wasn’t fairing well when healthy here. He put in tremendous work to get back down in weight, get healthy and stayed pretty healthy. With lawler we did have to get away from 300k for a wr, but we didn’t do a near good enough job of replacing him. once the cap went up, we should’ve gone up to retain him though.

You have a good point, but veteran and great leader don’t go hand in hand. Big stan for instance, is known to be a pretty quiet guy. Yoshi was the primary leader of the team, offence, and ol. He was a massive culture setter. Sheed as well. Other guys like hansen, kongbo, biggie, and ba were the leaders on and off field. The fact we’ve seen zach soo frustrated with play call, time to relay plays in, wrs, etc as soon as the leaders left says zach is a stoic on field leader type and easy going guy off. but that balance depends on guys who will hold other accountable. Tldr, it takes multiple leaders of various types to make teams work together well. We have guys, but not the right ones in the right places imo.

He didn’t play D, he got in on teams. Didn’t build him up into any one. Doesn’t play any thing like biggie and never said he did or that he would be biggie. Can’t not play a guy and say he’s a miss. Also, I said one of many cases. Got a link to any thing saying he was a cancer? I’m betting the source will be “trust me bro”

we do though. Since mos kept wanting to start/roster the marine till walters cut him in the off season. The fact we dished out for jonathon jones then didn’t play him shows the disconnect as well. and who in the marriage is the one married to old guys that are his favourites. We can go back in time to when guys started then got cut that mos liked. It’s happened a lot, and mos is pretty straight forward in his opinion on guys like jake. Walter’s has kept bringing some back to keep mos happy. But has weeded out many over the years. The each have fault, and the real problem is their weaknesses scale multiplicatively for us in the worst direction. Yep. was down to miller, jackson, maksymic, and hogan for a good while.

yep and zach too. correct

No one making a decision based on logic would look at zach and want to replace arbuckle with him for next year. But the guy who thinks jake and kola are replaceable could do any thing. torontos qb coach, not our teams coach.

could, though I could see eiben staying and running the D. Yeah, he was in discussion last year with us. He has been an oc in the nfl and cfl previously. He was an nfl offensive qc/pass game co another 6+ years. Miller, coatanza, and jackson are all pretty close, miller has the most high end experience. If we got one of costanza/miller to pair with jackson, or both to replace him i’d be pretty happy. Both pete and mike are exceptional position coaches. Costanza also has the benefit of hacienda been here in the past and is a great fit.

Quality coaching is seriously lacking in the CFL. If I had to rebuild the coaching staff without Mos, I'd do the following. Going young, Archambault as HC, JY as DC, and as HC, Mike Miller, Pete Costanza, with Jackson and Costello staying. Miller would be the OC, Jackson the pass game co & qb coach, Costanza would be the rb/wr coach, and Marty the OL coach. For proven guys? It is a really ugly market. Isn't Trestman still with the Chargers as senior offensive assistant? He's pretty old, Idk if he'd want to come back if hes out of football. June Jones has been out of ball for I think 2 years? U G L Y The only decent vet coach move was dinwiddie.

He's never taken an interview while here before, and Pinball has hired a couple of coaches in that time. Also, just giving pinball lip service wouldn't do anything positive for him. I think both parties are serious, and we probably have a better chance than not of him taking it.

I think the fact that he is taking the request from Toronto does indicate he is heavily considering it. I wouldn't make that choice if I were him. But I am pretty far removed from his way of thinking. I agree, we need a big shake-up. I still think it's harder to replace the HC than the GM in the CFL today. But pound for pound I believe Walters has done a much better job. His primary problems have been giving in too much to the coaching staff and not being the boss enough.

For a lateral job, when his contract expires at the end of this year. Otherwise, they have to get permission like this. I worry about that too. In-house, I think Hall or maybe they give the push to JY. But I don't really think either happens. Small chance at Walters taking over both jobs, with someone like Brock taking a larger role in the front office to support him. Jackson would be a candidate in theory, but Idk how you pass him for OC last year then make him HC this year. From outside, not a rehash I think we'd look at Archambault, Monsoon, probably talk to Maksymic / Mike miller since we did consider them for OC last year. A sleeper target, who is kind of a rehash, is Pete Costanza. Very good WR/RB coach and pass game coach for Toronto recently. I think he is a better candidate to jump to OC, but we might have to make a bigger jump than that, sadly. They could go full-on crazy and offer Milanovich the HC/GM role he is fishing for. Sounds like the contract only expires on the last calendar day of the year. But I imagine the coaching world has essentially a tampering period like free agency.

If he leaves, we have to be timely in our actions. We can't wait till shortly before FA to finalize things.

It's true, he would try out more guys mid-season, was more willing to give up on favorites who didn't perform, and he didn't just tie canadians down to STs roles. I'd add as well that he used to coach to win, would whip out a few smart trick plays through out the year, and would challenge more. Even if the challenge was to back up a player, or to make the refs look at a problematic area they weren't calling, even if it wouldn't be over turned. At each step, success has made him softer.