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To be fair, yoshi has back slid into carrying far too much weight, couldn’t stay healthy and wasn’t fairing well when healthy here. He put in tremendous work to get back down in weight, get healthy and stayed pretty healthy. With lawler we did have to get away from 300k for a wr, but we didn’t do a near good enough job of replacing him. once the cap went up, we should’ve gone up to retain him though.

You have a good point, but veteran and great leader don’t go hand in hand. Big stan for instance, is known to be a pretty quiet guy. Yoshi was the primary leader of the team, offence, and ol. He was a massive culture setter. Sheed as well. Other guys like hansen, kongbo, biggie, and ba were the leaders on and off field. The fact we’ve seen zach soo frustrated with play call, time to relay plays in, wrs, etc as soon as the leaders left says zach is a stoic on field leader type and easy going guy off. but that balance depends on guys who will hold other accountable. Tldr, it takes multiple leaders of various types to make teams work together well. We have guys, but not the right ones in the right places imo.

He didn’t play D, he got in on teams. Didn’t build him up into any one. Doesn’t play any thing like biggie and never said he did or that he would be biggie. Can’t not play a guy and say he’s a miss. Also, I said one of many cases. Got a link to any thing saying he was a cancer? I’m betting the source will be “trust me bro”

we do though. Since mos kept wanting to start/roster the marine till walters cut him in the off season. The fact we dished out for jonathon jones then didn’t play him shows the disconnect as well. and who in the marriage is the one married to old guys that are his favourites. We can go back in time to when guys started then got cut that mos liked. It’s happened a lot, and mos is pretty straight forward in his opinion on guys like jake. Walter’s has kept bringing some back to keep mos happy. But has weeded out many over the years. The each have fault, and the real problem is their weaknesses scale multiplicatively for us in the worst direction. Yep. was down to miller, jackson, maksymic, and hogan for a good while.

yep and zach too. correct

No one making a decision based on logic would look at zach and want to replace arbuckle with him for next year. But the guy who thinks jake and kola are replaceable could do any thing. torontos qb coach, not our teams coach.

could, though I could see eiben staying and running the D. Yeah, he was in discussion last year with us. He has been an oc in the nfl and cfl previously. He was an nfl offensive qc/pass game co another 6+ years. Miller, coatanza, and jackson are all pretty close, miller has the most high end experience. If we got one of costanza/miller to pair with jackson, or both to replace him i’d be pretty happy. Both pete and mike are exceptional position coaches. Costanza also has the benefit of hacienda been here in the past and is a great fit.

Quality coaching is seriously lacking in the CFL. If I had to rebuild the coaching staff without Mos, I'd do the following. Going young, Archambault as HC, JY as DC, and as HC, Mike Miller, Pete Costanza, with Jackson and Costello staying. Miller would be the OC, Jackson the pass game co & qb coach, Costanza would be the rb/wr coach, and Marty the OL coach. For proven guys? It is a really ugly market. Isn't Trestman still with the Chargers as senior offensive assistant? He's pretty old, Idk if he'd want to come back if hes out of football. June Jones has been out of ball for I think 2 years? U G L Y The only decent vet coach move was dinwiddie.

He's never taken an interview while here before, and Pinball has hired a couple of coaches in that time. Also, just giving pinball lip service wouldn't do anything positive for him. I think both parties are serious, and we probably have a better chance than not of him taking it.

I think the fact that he is taking the request from Toronto does indicate he is heavily considering it. I wouldn't make that choice if I were him. But I am pretty far removed from his way of thinking. I agree, we need a big shake-up. I still think it's harder to replace the HC than the GM in the CFL today. But pound for pound I believe Walters has done a much better job. His primary problems have been giving in too much to the coaching staff and not being the boss enough.

For a lateral job, when his contract expires at the end of this year. Otherwise, they have to get permission like this. I worry about that too. In-house, I think Hall or maybe they give the push to JY. But I don't really think either happens. Small chance at Walters taking over both jobs, with someone like Brock taking a larger role in the front office to support him. Jackson would be a candidate in theory, but Idk how you pass him for OC last year then make him HC this year. From outside, not a rehash I think we'd look at Archambault, Monsoon, probably talk to Maksymic / Mike miller since we did consider them for OC last year. A sleeper target, who is kind of a rehash, is Pete Costanza. Very good WR/RB coach and pass game coach for Toronto recently. I think he is a better candidate to jump to OC, but we might have to make a bigger jump than that, sadly. They could go full-on crazy and offer Milanovich the HC/GM role he is fishing for. Sounds like the contract only expires on the last calendar day of the year. But I imagine the coaching world has essentially a tampering period like free agency.

If he leaves, we have to be timely in our actions. We can't wait till shortly before FA to finalize things.

It's true, he would try out more guys mid-season, was more willing to give up on favorites who didn't perform, and he didn't just tie canadians down to STs roles. I'd add as well that he used to coach to win, would whip out a few smart trick plays through out the year, and would challenge more. Even if the challenge was to back up a player, or to make the refs look at a problematic area they weren't calling, even if it wouldn't be over turned. At each step, success has made him softer.

I love a physical, defensive, cold weather battle. So if that happens I’ll be thrilled. Though I think the average cfl fan wants a high scoring action packed offensive shoot out.

We will see. But i’d bet it won’t be a good one. I don’t think montreals offence will perform well in the elements here, and I think ssk matches up poorly with mtls D. I don’t think it’ll be overly physical or a defensive gem. No particular rivalry between the two, and two teams with a tendency to play as much after the whistle as before. Hamilton bc imo, most deserving and the one that it would mean the most for as a franchise. And no, we certainly do not deserve it. I don’t think we deserved the record or play off spot. I think two years in a row we were much worse than our out come.

In what is likely the final gc played under proper cfl rules/field, here in winnipeg, You’d hope for the most deserving teams the most entertaining game, and the teams for whom this could mean the most. We aren’t getting that, we are getting two of the top teams, also 2 of the most spoiled (up there with us to be fair) and likely the dullest match up. Also, you think people here would cheer for the riders being in the gc?

well that’s the least pleasing possible out come to the division finals. Should we just start calling them the 5 stripes?

I don’t think he will get both, they’d a kept dinwiddie at that imo. He might get agm or hc and teams co etc Only positives i can think of are, Maybe he loves pinball? Maybe he wants to be captain save a hoe to toronto? Maybe he feels the walls closing in here and wants to escape before it really hits the fan. (this could be as much internal and rebuild related as any thing) I know his immediate family live here but maybe he wants to be closer to old friends and extended family? All pretty soft reasons imo. I like several pieces toronto has, but they are also past their peak by a good bit and need a heavy re tool. Delving into our fa offerings like hamilton isn’t likely to help much either. plus jake, and hallet. they can sign kramdi as well in fa

idk man, He can get a premier qb coach job or mid level oc job in d1 ball on a whim. I also don’t know if austin would want to come up for the pennie’s and be under pinballs thumb, in front of 8 fans, hemorrhaging talent each fa, not even having a home field for a year etc. That’s the least desirable situation in the cfl. Mos would want to go possibly because of his past there. But if not him, I think toronto will ave to scrape the barrel. I don’t think they can really offer much, it’ll all be nostalgia n junk for mos. But I could see them going with a skeleton crew and to give him as much cash as they can.

austin? The guy has had some pretty cushy ncaa gigs. Qb coach at auburn almost certainly pays more than the argos too. We all know pinball will come hard after mos. In the end it’ll all be on what mos wants. I don’t think torontos push will matter.

let’s be real though, we are one bad season away from being in the same situation. Cfl attendance is extremely fickle even in the best markets

Doesn’t mean any thing, but few good oc jobs were open last year. This was easily the best place for him. And he had them running as the best offence till they wanted to move to ford. You don’t, if you haven’t watched him run offence elsewhere, or coach qbs. Jackson is from out side our org, and coaching lineages. Unless we fire mos and hire an oc/hc, we won’t see better than jackson at oc. Even if we did, we probably still don’t. It’ll very likely be Mike miller especially with dinwiddie gone, Jackson, or the likes of hogan/lapo.

Need that lions ticats gc

he’s like krampus, he shows up occasionally (once per 5 years to a decade) to remind us of our own futility and to give a bit of hope when he leaves. I love the guy on tsn, I’d love to see his youtube channel take off. I wouldn’t be stunned to see him back here, but I really don’t ever need or want to see that. He would’ve been better than sulk hogan though Please don’t suck bc. Please go in and mop the floor with the riders

By that logic, Maas should never have gotten the job in montreal after his so so offences in ssk. Mos’ teams in toronto were maybe slightly better than average as well. That’s also not how position coaching works. We saw him have a league best offence in edm before ford was pressured in to play. Hes more of a known and highly respected commodity than any position coach here save for Costello, and is the the most proven offensive Co on our team. Also, Hogan was the rb coach on the best running team and heavily refereed by brady. And we know how that turned out. Jackson is exceptionally proficient at running balanced offenses that get the ball out quick. He also took a league worst team and free spot on the bingo card and nearly made the play offs as a hc. Interesting? I mean maybe… Good? lol no. Mueller is in his 2nd ever season as an oc. Of those two years he’s had one very good offence. Hes never been a hc or assistant hc at any level. Hes not as ready to be a hc as jy is, and jy isn’t ready for that. The riders have built through free agency and rookie imps. I would not go off rushing to poach their canadian draft guy. I don’t think we could back slide that far and stay down that long. In the pre wade era of this team and league sure. Today? I don’t think so. I actually think the worst case for us is setting into mediocrity. 8-10 win perennially fighting for a cross over, lucky to win a round.