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Quality coaching is seriously lacking in the CFL. If I had to rebuild the coaching staff without Mos, I'd do the following. Going young, Archambault as HC, JY as DC, and as HC, Mike Miller, Pete Costanza, with Jackson and Costello staying. Miller would be the OC, Jackson the pass game co & qb coach, Costanza would be the rb/wr coach, and Marty the OL coach. For proven guys? It is a really ugly market. Isn't Trestman still with the Chargers as senior offensive assistant? He's pretty old, Idk if he'd want to come back if hes out of football. June Jones has been out of ball for I think 2 years? U G L Y The only decent vet coach move was dinwiddie.

He's never taken an interview while here before, and Pinball has hired a couple of coaches in that time. Also, just giving pinball lip service wouldn't do anything positive for him. I think both parties are serious, and we probably have a better chance than not of him taking it.

I think the fact that he is taking the request from Toronto does indicate he is heavily considering it. I wouldn't make that choice if I were him. But I am pretty far removed from his way of thinking. I agree, we need a big shake-up. I still think it's harder to replace the HC than the GM in the CFL today. But pound for pound I believe Walters has done a much better job. His primary problems have been giving in too much to the coaching staff and not being the boss enough.

For a lateral job, when his contract expires at the end of this year. Otherwise, they have to get permission like this. I worry about that too. In-house, I think Hall or maybe they give the push to JY. But I don't really think either happens. Small chance at Walters taking over both jobs, with someone like Brock taking a larger role in the front office to support him. Jackson would be a candidate in theory, but Idk how you pass him for OC last year then make him HC this year. From outside, not a rehash I think we'd look at Archambault, Monsoon, probably talk to Maksymic / Mike miller since we did consider them for OC last year. A sleeper target, who is kind of a rehash, is Pete Costanza. Very good WR/RB coach and pass game coach for Toronto recently. I think he is a better candidate to jump to OC, but we might have to make a bigger jump than that, sadly. They could go full-on crazy and offer Milanovich the HC/GM role he is fishing for. Sounds like the contract only expires on the last calendar day of the year. But I imagine the coaching world has essentially a tampering period like free agency.

If he leaves, we have to be timely in our actions. We can't wait till shortly before FA to finalize things.

It's true, he would try out more guys mid-season, was more willing to give up on favorites who didn't perform, and he didn't just tie canadians down to STs roles. I'd add as well that he used to coach to win, would whip out a few smart trick plays through out the year, and would challenge more. Even if the challenge was to back up a player, or to make the refs look at a problematic area they weren't calling, even if it wouldn't be over turned. At each step, success has made him softer.

I love a physical, defensive, cold weather battle. So if that happens I’ll be thrilled. Though I think the average cfl fan wants a high scoring action packed offensive shoot out.

We will see. But i’d bet it won’t be a good one. I don’t think montreals offence will perform well in the elements here, and I think ssk matches up poorly with mtls D. I don’t think it’ll be overly physical or a defensive gem. No particular rivalry between the two, and two teams with a tendency to play as much after the whistle as before. Hamilton bc imo, most deserving and the one that it would mean the most for as a franchise. And no, we certainly do not deserve it. I don’t think we deserved the record or play off spot. I think two years in a row we were much worse than our out come.

In what is likely the final gc played under proper cfl rules/field, here in winnipeg, You’d hope for the most deserving teams the most entertaining game, and the teams for whom this could mean the most. We aren’t getting that, we are getting two of the top teams, also 2 of the most spoiled (up there with us to be fair) and likely the dullest match up. Also, you think people here would cheer for the riders being in the gc?

well that’s the least pleasing possible out come to the division finals. Should we just start calling them the 5 stripes?

I don’t think he will get both, they’d a kept dinwiddie at that imo. He might get agm or hc and teams co etc Only positives i can think of are, Maybe he loves pinball? Maybe he wants to be captain save a hoe to toronto? Maybe he feels the walls closing in here and wants to escape before it really hits the fan. (this could be as much internal and rebuild related as any thing) I know his immediate family live here but maybe he wants to be closer to old friends and extended family? All pretty soft reasons imo. I like several pieces toronto has, but they are also past their peak by a good bit and need a heavy re tool. Delving into our fa offerings like hamilton isn’t likely to help much either. plus jake, and hallet. they can sign kramdi as well in fa

idk man, He can get a premier qb coach job or mid level oc job in d1 ball on a whim. I also don’t know if austin would want to come up for the pennie’s and be under pinballs thumb, in front of 8 fans, hemorrhaging talent each fa, not even having a home field for a year etc. That’s the least desirable situation in the cfl. Mos would want to go possibly because of his past there. But if not him, I think toronto will ave to scrape the barrel. I don’t think they can really offer much, it’ll all be nostalgia n junk for mos. But I could see them going with a skeleton crew and to give him as much cash as they can.

austin? The guy has had some pretty cushy ncaa gigs. Qb coach at auburn almost certainly pays more than the argos too. We all know pinball will come hard after mos. In the end it’ll all be on what mos wants. I don’t think torontos push will matter.

let’s be real though, we are one bad season away from being in the same situation. Cfl attendance is extremely fickle even in the best markets

Doesn’t mean any thing, but few good oc jobs were open last year. This was easily the best place for him. And he had them running as the best offence till they wanted to move to ford. You don’t, if you haven’t watched him run offence elsewhere, or coach qbs. Jackson is from out side our org, and coaching lineages. Unless we fire mos and hire an oc/hc, we won’t see better than jackson at oc. Even if we did, we probably still don’t. It’ll very likely be Mike miller especially with dinwiddie gone, Jackson, or the likes of hogan/lapo.

Need that lions ticats gc

he’s like krampus, he shows up occasionally (once per 5 years to a decade) to remind us of our own futility and to give a bit of hope when he leaves. I love the guy on tsn, I’d love to see his youtube channel take off. I wouldn’t be stunned to see him back here, but I really don’t ever need or want to see that. He would’ve been better than sulk hogan though Please don’t suck bc. Please go in and mop the floor with the riders

By that logic, Maas should never have gotten the job in montreal after his so so offences in ssk. Mos’ teams in toronto were maybe slightly better than average as well. That’s also not how position coaching works. We saw him have a league best offence in edm before ford was pressured in to play. Hes more of a known and highly respected commodity than any position coach here save for Costello, and is the the most proven offensive Co on our team. Also, Hogan was the rb coach on the best running team and heavily refereed by brady. And we know how that turned out. Jackson is exceptionally proficient at running balanced offenses that get the ball out quick. He also took a league worst team and free spot on the bingo card and nearly made the play offs as a hc. Interesting? I mean maybe… Good? lol no. Mueller is in his 2nd ever season as an oc. Of those two years he’s had one very good offence. Hes never been a hc or assistant hc at any level. Hes not as ready to be a hc as jy is, and jy isn’t ready for that. The riders have built through free agency and rookie imps. I would not go off rushing to poach their canadian draft guy. I don’t think we could back slide that far and stay down that long. In the pre wade era of this team and league sure. Today? I don’t think so. I actually think the worst case for us is setting into mediocrity. 8-10 win perennially fighting for a cross over, lucky to win a round.

the asterisk to that is, they need to have or get a top tier or fringe top tier qb, and they need to get lucky or do a historic job of fixing canadian talent and their ol. We hit mop zach, and had built an insane stock pile of ni talent / ol for about 3 years. That’s why teams like montreal, toronto, and calgary have changed their fates quickly. And why it took soo long for hamilton, ssk and ottawa to rebuild. As that applies to us, we have the stock pile of canadian assets and imo half the ol. We have the ability to cut salary and add significant talent to our biggest needs like 1-2 ol. Qb is the biggest question mark roster wise. Zach could do any thing next year. He’s the least reliable qb in the league over the past 2 seasons. We also have the most question marks in the front office and coaching staff.

went from gordon ramsay to 50 cent real fast, almost with a detour to biggie smalls. Looked at it a bit, seems like it was a robbery which is wild he got shot 11 times to get jacked. And they got about 100k worth of stuff. Glad it ended up not too bad all things considered

In terms of football ops I would expect him to have full control to the point he would likely update them on his intentions not have to ask for permission. An act as president that was veto’d by the bog would be like failing a none confidence vote. Agree with the first bit. I didn’t read the article i’ll have to check it out. I’ll say though that it’s on pinball to make the primary changes. Mos would be involved, but i’m not sure he would face much more change there than we need. Hed keep his buddies on the staff like eiben, try to poach a couple of our guys and others, and re tool via free agency. It’s soo wild to me that his idea of accountability for our offences systematic failures is that he should have stepped in and micro managed them to ensure they performed better. If i head that as Jackson, i’d quit instantly.

Wade has to make a decision in a short period of time on what to do (if he hasn't already), hesitation is one of those decisions and maybe the worst one. I think Toronto will move fast, and I think the Cats will as well once their season is over.

The Hogan situation gets worse the more you look at it. Buck showed considerable promise and growth in his first 2-ish years. His last season and a half was basically mailed in. Especially his last year here. Things devolved to an abysmal state where he didn't run any of what brought us success, Zach was constantly frustrated, and no one was on the same page. Fast forward, and Buck has the BC offence buzzing. He needed the change to get away from us; we were the toxic ex-workplace. Then, not only does bc get Buck, they scoop Bourgoin who was a better candidate to move up here than hogan and an excellent wr coach. We could've made a decision faster, and given him half a promotion and kept him. Finally we have the whole mess that hogan was and if we had quickly picked Jackson, the right decision the whole time, we could've been drastically better of. If we run it back with Hogan, I bet JY takes any offer that brings him out of here. Maybe Hall retires. I think retaining Hogan could be a major slef inflicted wound.

Not gonna flame, though I will say I don't really have interest in AH back here coaching any time soon. Right now, we run 11 coaches. With the front office cap, I would either have position coaches being decent scouts as well, or cut back on some positional coaching. We have Billy Jean, Andre Bulduc, Jackson, Hogan, and Costello on offense. I would make Costello OL/run game co. So he would coach the OL and the RBs, and help the OC with designing and installing the run side of the playbook. In this case, let's say JJ is the new OC. Next, I'd bring in a QB coach/pass game assistant, let's say that's Khari. He coaches the WRs, Qbs, and again helps the CO with design and weekly install of the passing game. That is 3 guys covering the same load as 5 are currently. If those 3 are comfortable with their roles and work well enough together and with the HC to do all that, great. If not, I'd bring in 1 offence QC assistant coach, who is also a scout. Basically, he splits his load between the two roles, depending on how much support the offensive staff needs. That scout would be the active CFL side scout, and scout the NFL and spring leagues, etc. Pro scout only, he would work on the guys we bring in actively more than the guys we earmark to try and get up here in the future. This might be a guy like Markus Howell, one of the recently retired guys, etc. On D, I would look to do something similar. We've got JY, Hall, Patterson, and Stanley. If Hall wants to stay, and JY wants to continue to have his support, Hall coaches Lbers and is the defensive assistant; he would be in charge of the run fits and coaching every play with a gap in any scheme in that role. JY is the DC and coaches the secondary. Then I'd love to bring in a guy like Bowman or Irvin, or maybe a guy like Jackson Jeffcoat to be the DL/pass rush coach. Currently, James Stanley is the director of analytics, which would be a valuable role if we had an HC inclined to making decisions in the scientific process. This role for me would be a coach that is Ast to the HC, Competitive advantage coordinator type of thing. Every major NCAA team has a guy whose job it is to spot trends, mismatches, and such in advanced scouting. This would also be a two-part job, providing in-league scouting for in-season pick-ups and free agency each year. This is the guy who says, "Hey, the bombers put Woodbey on their PR and that kid is a player at a position we need". With Mos, I'd have him be the team's CO or defensive assistant. But I really like Miller and the job he's done. So I'd have Miller take on a role as tackling coach (I'd bring in hawk tackling, especially with how practice is these days) and have him scout the league during the season and the cis for teams' guys. Even then, with 4 offensive coaches (1 part scout), 3 defensive coaches, 1 general coach(part scout), Hc and Sts coach, that leaves 1 open spot for either higher pay of current guys or the ability to add another regional scout in the US. I mean, I won't stop cheering for the bombers. But they would have to have a year and start the year to get me to spend money or be optimistic about our chances. If we bring Hogan back, my expectations will be to miss the playoffs. If Walters and Mos are back and Hogan isn't, it'll depend on the offseason moves. Another off-season like the last couple and I'd again have no particular hope or expectations. At that point, it's counting down the losses till the house gets cleaned. As it is, short of meaningful change, I won't be giving any money to the club next year. And I tend to support with my wallet very freely.

Hamilton and President O were in deep trouble before this season. I think this year's resurgence has bought them considerable rope, once again. And the only way I think he leaves hamilton is with an apple and a road map. I don't think he bails for another position.