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Adeboboye signed an extension this month, too. I'm not holding my breath on us luring guys with Condell. The lowest level in ages. Hogan is an all-time bad OC. Worse than some of the OC by committee we ran. Worse than belifool too imo. Worse than the constant wildcat and spread offense legend that never materialized success up here.

Condell has had success with good RBs in the past. He hasn't run an offense that leads he league in rushing, but he hasn't ever had the best back in the league or a top-tier guy either. I mean, the RBs kept starting a WR at RB rather than bringing in a real one. As others have said, I have to believe that with brady locked up on a monster deal, that part of the due diligence was making sure Condell would fit in here with the balanced attack at the very least. Also, him constantly being behind other offensive minds and running other systems, I tend to think he will either run the successful stuff we've had prior to the last 2 years or has some great ideas and hasn't been able to fully show them. It's far from my favorite pick for OC. But at the very least, I expect a good improvement. Yeah, Hogan and Buck in his last year really seemed to be at odds and out of sync with Zach. He was furious so often because the calls from both came in ridiculously slowly. Which means you break the huddle late, have to rush lining up, and get significantly less time to survey the D in the pre-snap read. I can't emphasize enough how important an extra 4 seconds breaking the huddle are. Little on if you break the huddle and start lining up before the D. We used to reap huge advantages from being set way ahead of the D, and running any play out of any formation. That has been completely gone for 2 years. Not only does it make it harder to pass and run RPO, but it also makes it harder to protect the QB. \ Condell, as an OC, gets a C grade from me right now. I worry that it will be a high-floor, low-ceiling pick, but time will tell, and I am fine giving him the benefit of the doubt. He also worked very well with Dru, which bodes well for fit with Zach imo.

It’ll be easy for him to out do hogan or bucks last year here. My concern is the ceiling might not be that much higher. and won’t have nothing developed in tc for the regular season lol

Sucks the knee injury ate up half his season. Really set him back. They’re right he needs reps. The fact they are sounding packed in and playing for next year with him is not great for him. He needs to really be dynamite getting into camp next year and manage to get some shine in practice this year.

That’s a surprise to me. Most prominently Condell ran a lot of what june jones brought in previously in hamilton, but each year trimmed it back and found less success. His 13-15 stretch with zach in hamilton has to be the main reason for this move. Those were zachs good years in hamilton before the down fall. Still not great years for him, but very good. His semi recent offences have been allergic to the run game. BUT, he did run the riders in 06 with kenton keith tearing things up before going to the nfl. He had kerry joseph that year and was the pass game coach in ott the previous two years with him. So moderate offensive success with hank burris, kerry joseph, and zach. Also with backs like gable, keith and had solid success with guys like armstead, stanback and others. He struggled a lot over many years in two stints with masoli, mbt, franklin and a host of others. A good chunk of his years up here as a CO has been under hcs who are offensive guys. Trestman, kent austin, Danny barrett, joe paopao as well as running june jones offense. I don’t love this move. Hes basically hamiltons version of lapo. He was solid with dru brown but not great with out him. And really fell back on brown just going out and beating defences. Never saw great game planning, play call or adjustments. Didn’t see him deal with adversity well either.

Cap wise, I agree that this is the best position we’ve gone into the off season in in a long time. And you have the ability to fix your cap year to year. If you have the will to do it. We have a few awful deals, but the cap growth and off season turn over makes it workable. Wj, is one of the worst contracts in the league. Dl is one of our biggest positions of need. Idk if we will actually spend at dl though. Zachs lack of consistency and quality concerns me more than his pay. Yes 600k is a yikes. But it’s not like we have a comparable guy available for 400-500k. The only way up for us at qb, is going young. And that is a very risky and lengthy process. These guys we will see what they got. I have to imagine with the timing and cap space left that we have them front loaded deals that won’t hit the cap hard next year. Especially with the importance brady put on guaranteed money. With the current market demski probably goes from too expensive but very effective to a good deal. Even with a raise. We’ve had opportunities and money to spend. We just haven’t done much to invest in league free agent. That’s the big moment I think we are all waiting for. To really see if we’ve changed. Moving on from some one old is inevitable one way or another.

that and i mean all the guys are guys you’d want back at none crazy deals. If we move on from 2 long in the tooth old boys club types I’ll be satisfied. If we bring back a kola or jake and actually relegate them to the bench it’ll be a miracle.

Well that’s some thing…

100% failed to give him enough consistent reps. But also our dl coaching hasn’t been where it needs to be. When is the last time we saw real meaningful development of any dl? Jeffcoat? Stove basically came in and did what he did. Same with kongbo. We’ve failed to get more out of dl talent for an awful long time. We’ve scouted some tremendous talent, mainly on the inside of the line. But the guys that worked out came in at a high level and left at the same level. Patterson is really well liked and a former bomber player, but I haven’t seen nearly enough from his guys. We’ve brought in soo many guys with pedigree, athleticism, every advantage you could want and not been able to get any of them to use those to win 1on1 vs hardly any one.

Absolute naia monster. Doesn’t have firm pro day numbers. Lots of claims for a low 4.4 40. I don’t see that in the high lights though. He’s quick more than fast, with a top gear in the 40-50 yard range. Don’t see great speed or consistent separation. He has good quicks, but he doesn’t blow the doors off any one. Which is a concern for an under 6’ wr at that level of play. He again looks a lot like mcknight. Albeit a rich mans version. He is clearly quicker, and even more polished as a route runner, with elite hands. His ability to track the ball, adjust to it, his body control/balance and catching craft is really tremendous. He has excellent get off moves, though he won’t see the jam here like he did down there. He could really benefit from playing in the slot. If he gets the waggle down like schoen it would be a huge aid for his ability to get open. I have low expectations for guys like this, if he was 6’4 even with a 4.7 40 he’d probably be kicking around nfl camps and pr. The 5’10 listing also looks very generous. Prospects like this are great to bring into camp, in camp you just can’t fall in love with imp wrs who can’t create separation. If he puts together his quicks, the waggle, and route running skill into ability to create space he has a great chance to make it up here. great db, i’m pleasantly surprised he’s back. I hope it’s solid value. For my money he’s our best db. I hope we aren’t giving all these guys elite money. This is an incredible amount of signings before the holidays. It’d be great if we are using cap space this year to create room next year.

sucks, but we didn’t get any development out of him and seemed dead set on wasting his potential.

That is interesting. Guess that means we will be back in the mix for a front office type this year as well.

Also, a couple of really good upside free agent gets.

I'm very curious as to how much we stayed under the cap. It would make a lot of sense that we have been using a lot of this year's cap on these extensions. I'd love to know how much each team spends on starting, and candians as a whole in the sms.

I thought kramdi would test fa and maybe end up back home. Very busy december for walters so far

Edit, double post

Such a raise off a down year is pretty wild. His production has been going straight down the last 2 years as well. And again, Hogan plus the last year of Buck was brutal. Our ol the year before last was brutal too. Our passing game was atrocious. I don't blame Brady for the drop-off. Paying him an increase after 2 drop-off years is something that almost never happens. A good part of that is the appearance that teams will use the cap increase to fatten the biggest contracts. Part of that is desperation on our end. At the end of the day, we've overpaid a RB, one of the last positions you overpay, when he's coming off an injury and 2 down years, when he is 28 and will be 29 before the end of next year, and yeah, given a rb qb money. Part of me is happy that Brady will be here for the future. Another part of me is happy for him; he's a great person as well as a player, and all the local kid stuff. A lot of dirtbags have made bank in this league, and are currently. Brady is a great ambassador of our game, league, city/province. It would really suck to see him in another jersey. Harris was bad enough, but he was never the guy Brady is. Another part of me is saying, OK, Walters better find a way to dig our ass out of the hole this deal puts us in. I've been the biggest defender of Walters lately. He needs to have one of the best league free agency periods of his career this year. He needs to churn out another ROTY-calibre kid this year, and he needs the guys poised for progress to take the next step forward.

100% agree that deal screwed the market big time.

I would think so. Hope we got a chunk of fake cap dollars too

Couldn't be worse LOL Wonder how much he got. Must've been real good for him not to even test FA.

idk it looks to me like they have been none committal to him. The co dcor thing last year when he did most of the work and play call was strange.

No idea how long he can go with out a deal financially. Kid is very talented and performed well in pre season. Hes deserving of a shot, but who knows if it’ll come. If he gets or time down south that’d be great for him. If he gets another nfl camp that too would be great for him. A camp here would be good, the ufl if they let him play would even be good between nfl tcs. Really as long as he is active and gets coaching and practice / tc he will be in good shape. I hope he doesn’t end up waiting for calls that don’t come. I also hope he is actively working with a great qb coach right now to continue his growth.

yep, you never know when a guys rope will run out as a tc body / pr arm. Some guys fall through fast others like mbt hang around forever. Ufl might make more sense between nfl seasons if he continues to get interest but not an offer.

I hope for all involved that elgersma doesn’t fall into a trap of waiting around and not playing, or being a tcf usual down south. With his pre season play and tools though I think the interest in him right now is legit. If he gets pr time down there it will be good for him no matter where he ends up. I hate seeing guys sit who aren’t getting a call or real shot. Qbs are odd though and benefit more/ take more time before playing. For a guy that didn’t play high level competition, nfl tc type action is a huge benefit for him.

If Eiben shakes free i wonder if mos and jy consider him to come on here.