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I’d only resign if hamilton is paying 300k+ incentives and giving the starting role. Hes gonna have a huge market draw. It’s him and kelly. Forget whoever else the league could lose this off season at qb. especially 1 season after the draft plus. Doesn’t make sense that they extended him through a similar term. I wonder if they renegotiated his contract. It’ll be interesting to see what they write him in as in next years 3dn article.

Jake is for sure a great guy. I’d buy it of kola too. I mean they haven’t been playing on merit of their on field contribution.

all depends on his deal. He might’ve gotten or might get 100k like last year.

If hogans back / we don’t do a major re tooling that shows serious change, the whole team is cooked

For my money, that would be the most valuable canadian. That’s why I think we should be developing guys like wallace with the mobility at rt first, and kick them inside if it doesn’t work out. Yeah a lot of heavy pay days to canadians end up being bad deals. Milt was pushing fringe starting qb money. So in today’s game, i’d bet he’d want 330-400k. Blink would be hard to price. Imo, the top pay for a rb should be incentive based, pay some thing like 165k base, and chance to go up to 195-205k. Sure, pay premium for the mop campaigns. If you go over on the back end deal with it. Free agency is one of the few chances to add significant talent now. We don’t see major nfl free agent upgrades more than once every few years any more. That’s what wasting cap space really does. Make you miss out on the only chance to retool. Except every game brady and harris before him, missed, our run game didn’t miss a beat. Half the league has a high end rb as we saw this year. The issue with that is, we likely have to pay wjs money for a high end dl, logan plus vaughters might get us a second end, and bryant’s replacement would need an increase via free agency. We need to spend more on wr, ol, and Dl. we aren’t going to stay with in what we pay those positions and retool. We need to cut else where.

Like I said, a couple ratio breakers across the league, almost none by that kind of margin. Smith made 270k, not 305. But i also said “How did Robbie smith do?” Ford didn’t just sign an extension. He signed a 3 year deal last off season. Our secondary pay scale has gone to pure crap. Crazy for a team that refused to pay dbs for so long. Ol is the hall mark cfl starting position. Db/s and 1 wr are others. Demski wasn’t actually in the top 5, due to whites bonuses. 4 out of the top 5 wrs are ni. But demski is making a big chunk to much. Gittens, ford and smith are classic examples of why it’s a bad idea to give gigantic over pays because of the passport. Rourkes deal is only workable because the lions put so much cheat money into his deal, and he plays qb. Even at that the list of teams who’ve screwed them self with qb deals like that is way longer than the ones it’s worked out for. wooooow. That’s a possible huge power shift if he does. Bet they give powell a good deal and then go premium at back up. Maybe get in on the peat with my favorite to land him, edmonton.

dressler and smith had drastically better wheels. average size, excellent athleticism, track guy, tough kid too. Solid prospect.

They didn’t release the details of the extension, but it sounded like the pay mirrored his last deal. Which had 250,000 in guaranteed money plus another 100,000 off season bonus. There is also a ton of rules around vets and guarantees on contracts. It’s not like it used to be when you could cut any one and instantly drop salary.

They aren’t, normally at most positions, Especially that amount over. Looking back at canadians setting the high price mark at positions, they normally only get 10-20k mark up. Out side of Ol, Rourke, ford, and Brady. All 3 of those guys are over pays, but rourke being a qb is a bit different. Ford won’t see remotely the same money again in his career. Even ol, where we see more canadians get more money, It’s normally a 20-30k max range. A positional break down: Db, it’s true right now. because ford is one of the worst over pays. But a canadian db hasn’t been the highest paid in the past 6-7 years atleast. Last one I can find was Sanchez when he came back from the nfl, ages ago. Lber, Judge is 35k ish under wynton and just under 10 below Beverette. Again the previous highest paid lbers going back years aren’t canadian. Dl, they are but they are only 15-25k above flo and ceresna. For several years this has been imp dominated for highest paid. Wr, nope lawler and it’s been imps as far back as I can find. Rb, it is again with brady’s heavy pay day. Brady again earns 2x all but one or two backs in the league. If you look at the league wide candidates for MOC, did any one other than brady/rourke even make 100k? Giving huge pay days to canadian ratio breakers doesn’t work out a lot. How did Robbie smith do? Or ford? If we lived in a perfect world and crafted the roster around over paying two great canadian's, that we know will perform, that’d be fine. Problem is, how do you retool with those contracts when those are two of the easier positions to replace for a fraction of the pay?

I look at his highlights and go, this is exactly what I’d expect from a peaked in college, none-prospect type. but, it is worth while to bring under sized guys with out great speed in for a flyer if the scouts see some thing in their route running etc and skill set. Some times those plucky over achievers do it at the pro level. And some times guys like that are the type of dogs mentality guys you need in camp to elevate others. We just can’t bring in many, and we can’t needlessly fall in love with him, like they did with mcknight.

Reminds me of a big school mcknight. Was a shade under 5’10 and 186 at his pro day, and ran 4.67/4.71. got hit the quota for great TC football names.

Yes they are. No canadian back is making even close to brady, or imp back. And mcinnis is in his prime, demski is 4-5 years older with a ton of wear. You can’t compare a rbs pay to dl or ol either lol. Ford is also a terrible contract. Even with dobsons step forward this year, he’s still way way over paid. He’s the least of the bad contracts, but you cant pay a rb elite wr money and make it work with out an elite player on basically a min contract. It’s un sustainable. People thought harris was irreplaceable too. But in the end, he was easily replaced. When brady has missed games, we haven’t struggled to run the ball at all. I love brady on the field and off, but his deal is already swimming with cement shoes. A raise for him is completely outlandish. The tier of bad contracts for us goes some thing like this tier 1, criminally bad deals. We have to get out of these to compete in free agency. Zach, wj. Tier 2, Stupid waste. You can get away with with a very small number of these but not many. Kramdi, holm, nichols, lawson, vaughters, joneses, schoen(for a guy who can’t stay healthy), mitchell, etc. tier 3, big over pays for guys who actually produce. demski, brady, big stan. Thing is, zach is the hardest guy to replace, and replacing the mid tier guys requires many replacements to save moderate amounts. The easiest place to save large amounts of money is demski and brady. Hopefully, Demski signs a more team friendly deal, and zach can be renegotiated to a more reasonable sum. Brady made 80-90k more than AJ, and double some of the other leading rushers. F*%# do I hope you end up being right. That’s basically our only hope. Tell him you didn’t appreciate how jake and kola were defaming the CAF/veterans recently… lol

Between the two I have a tough time seeing demski leaving. Brady I could see, i could see some one giving him an even crazier deal. I mean ford got a mint and he isn’t half the player or marketable asset brady is. Oc is gonna be a key to our team, but im not expecting news any time soon. I think it’ll be late late when they say this is the staff and hogan is back He is. And so is demski. That’s the problem with giving a guy that young a crazy 1-2 year deal. how do you follow that up? The thing is, if we lose either guy we gotta do some thing big with that money. not split it up into 3 base deals on flyers like we did with lawler. facts

We don’t need a superstar coach, we need one who can competently manage the clock, roster, challenges and coaching staff. Mos, is proven with a historically dominant roster. We are seeing what he can do with a roster that isn’t one of the best ever. And it’s an awful lot like what we saw before the run. You’re right that proven coaches are a rare valuable commodity in the cfl. Especially ones you can win with currently. I didn’t have much hope for that for next year. Next to none when dinwiddie went to ott. The hope was we could atleast start to build back to being a good team. That has mostly evaporated. Maybe if we hadn’t seen the same thing for two off seasons in a row. Like I said, i’d be thrilled if i’m wrong and walters/mos really turn over a new leaf. But I sure wouldn’t bet on it. If they do, I’ll happily eat some crow. Probably be very busy resigning the guys who no one else wants to sign lol. I’m glad walters will be back running our draft. The canadian depth will likely be a bright spot for us next year.

Except the past doesn’t dictate the future, and none of the rosters/staffs he got to above .500 with are walking in the door for next year. Would hiring buono instantly make us significantly better because his record is better all time? I dont know that we lose both, but I am sure we will lose some people we don’t want to. Maybe in more than one area as well.

Yep, I’m not too surprised. But i’m pretty disappointed. You can bank on a run it back season next year. Kola, Thomas, Hogan, kyrie, walking corpse of schoen and strev back if he wants. Wonder if we lose walters, jy or Marty. Expectations for the off season and next year are in the basement. Would love it if i’m wrong, but wouldn’t bet some one else money on it. That’s interesting and answers one of my questions.

Ritchie used to say the same thing. Almost lost charles robert’s career due to that, troy mills and eric blount lol

Tbh, I get letting all 3 walk. I would’ve done the same. I only would’ve given lawler more when the cap went up. Those decisions look bad in hindsight, but they were rough over pays. Just like Fords over pay in edmonton looks bad now. I do agree all decisions reflect on the gm. Even if they were sound choices at the time. The biggest damning decision by walters, is not going out and actually replacing those guys with quality. Even if you can’t replace all those spots with similar guys or better, pick one or two and spend to replace with an appropriate level free agent. Trade and recruit for the rest. Instead we ended up trying to fill all those and many other spots with just recruiting. Which failed miserably. (and the even worse quantity over quality fa spend on wrs) Mos put us in a position where the recruits didn’t even get good development or chances to showcase. No one’s hands are clean. I think walters has the ability to be better going forward, I don’t have faith in mos to improve. Especially given his coaching staff choices. Aside from JY, it’s been too many bad replacements.

Maybe a case could be made for kids who played cis ball, but the borderline canadians who played ball in the states aren’t different from imp rookies. Which I mean we took a db out of what division 3 a few years ago and the falcons seems to think it isn’t a problem after he started his whole rookie year. We started many a rookie canadian ol in the first year here as well with mos. We started corcoran in the play offs too. As Peterson took over in his first pro game then started the next what 2? Did pretty good too. Im not saying you’re wrong about what he said, I fully believe he said that and even believes it. It just doesn’t match the reality of what he’s done. And what’s worked tbh.

Very deservedly so. Betts wins modp and rourke mop. How often has both those awards gone to canadians and not the same person? Happy for yoshi wining a mol award. It’s interesting that the rider bias in the media along with a gc birth didn’t get them much for awards. Als get no major awards and riders get one major one minor. Pretty odd for the cfl. That said I think they got the awards pretty right

He’s got above average size and athleticism for an ni G. 6’3 n change, 315 but really lean at that weight. Hes got a great frame for playing interior ol. Hes a bit of an athletic outlier by ni ol standards. Faster and more explosive than most interior guys up here. Not the run jumper dobson was or as bursty as desjarlais, but being a half step behind those guys athletically puts you in a good position, especially up here. Hes got good feet, and plays with great strength. He isn’t the bench press gym bro, though he looks it a bit, hes far more the functional strength type. He isn’t as polished as fortin, though I thought both were pretty similar quality prospects. Fortin lacks a lot more in athleticism and raw strength but plays with tremendous leverage and gets every bit out of his frame. Hes also got that nasty streak, toughness, and grit you look for in linemen. Vibert could’ve easily been a 6th ol in the cfl this year. People often struggle to identify if guys like him are high floor low ceiling types, or studs. Imo, he and fortin had the best chance of being early starters and long term impact players on the ol. I think he is very very likely a starter in the CFL at G or C. If he over achieves a bit then he can be an all star type. For me, I don’t go soo crazy for huge interior ol, wallace has tons of use and upside and i think he should be groomed for RT. Guys like vibert get over looked because they aren’t 6’6, 305, running 5.0 flat 40s etc. But I see every thing you need for a G and a C to succeed in the cfl. I thought the depth of ol in this draft had some real potential gems. Hocevar, Pyle, Coakes, and Vibert, these are the type of canadians that anchor interior ol spots for a long time. Vibert should be on the ar this coming year, and he should push for a job if the competition remains soo soft.

You have the choice of competent, maybe 3 good games last year, vs a guy who in a short period of time carried his team to a gc, was league mop etc. If you aren’t concerned with character, and I don’t think edmonton is at all, it’s a no contest between fajardo and the pest. I do like those 3 a lot too. If we aggressively pursue the best ol men we can get this off season, Imp or ni T G or C, and play only the best players the line can take a big step forward.

imo, Ford time in edmonton is done. spin the wheel of back up qbs. Maybe faj stays to back up in edm, though i think both parties would rather split up. Yep. I don’t think you can even keep paying him 240k.

Ohh thats right. Too bad, but good for him in landing that spot. That does sound like a real cushy retirement job.

That offence has lived a very charmed life this year. Very similar to Maksymic IMO. Though I'd put him above Mueller, because like you say, we have seen Maksymic have to macgyver together an offence with tinfoil, gum, and the angle of the sun. They always take and go get some of their guys. The biggest old boys coach ever (saying some thing considering Ricthie) is gonna go get em.