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*point of this thread isnt a flame war* Both guys have played give or take a quarter 5 games now. Thought itd be interesting to compare the stats. Drew willy 137/191 71.7% 1473 yards 7.7 yards per pass 5 tds 4 ints. sacked 16 times. andrew Harris 206 yards 53 carries 3.88 YPC. 283 yards on 30 catches 9.43 per catch Matt nichols 126/177 71.1% 1448 yards 8.2 yards per pass 7 tds 1 int. 10 sacks. (3 in the last 3 games) adrew Harris 449 yards 90 carries 4.98 ypc. 85 yards on 11 catches 7.72 per catch. The obvious large differences are willys lower tds, more picks, and greater number of sacks. Also the contrast between harris running vs catching. I think a good bit of the harris difference is OL, and play calling change. When you cant run, tossing it to the RB is just as high percentage while putting the rb in a better spot to make a play. Of course willy had the worse of the OL, and nichols hasnt had the compliment of wrs. Combined numbers 263/368 71.4% 2,921 12 tds 5 picks 26 sacks. Yards would be 3rd while passing tds would be tied for 4th. I would bet the number of sacks would be still very high. The trend and play of the ol with bond/hardrick + foketi has been very good though. I would expect one of if not the best pass protections in the last 3 games. Before that we had a lot of hits on the qb out side sacks and qb rushes. Lots of yards per game, but as we all have seen, too many FGs not enough tds. Hope fully we continue to get healthy and show an improvement in play calling.

Figured it wouldnt take long for mtl to go back to him. glenn doesnt give them a chance to grow and become a contending organization in the future. Im sure he will catch on some where though. Maybe they trade him to the argos.

i dont think the offense as a whole can say they did what we needed them to. 7 fgs is never a good sign. If they had it wouldnt have been such a ridiculous come back it would have been a blow out.

He didnt look good to start, but rounded into shape. It was probably his best game, but he was still missing passes deeper then medium, and connecting on passes that were over thrown, and thrown low. He had some nice passes, Most of them. But his passes that were more then short were not great. He threw no picks, again though he had more then one pass that should have been. Hes been the beneficiary of of defenses that havent caught the ball. If he played a D that caught the ball like ours hed be in big trouble. Willy only threw one clutch time pick this year. That doesnt mean he was performing well. Same with his yardage. The offence has struggled especially with those passes over short with every qb this year and last. With more wrs then i can count and 2 ocs. 32/44 358 2 tds 0 picks against calgary, 27/39 341 1td 0 picks against sask. Winning the game doesnt change that, nor do the stats. We still cant consistently hit guys in stride, or more then medium routes.

Said that, but forced up atleast 2 passes into coverage he should not have. Its not just stretching the field. We had big runs from harris all day and just stopped running for long periods of time. Some awful play calls. That shot gun draw in the red zone when sask was stacking the line for instance. Denmark didnt get all the looks. Not gonna have 2 150 yard receivers in one game.

Yeah, its just not sustainable to kick 7 field goals and be +4 on turnovers or better every game. Needing that to win a nail biter is how you miss the play offs for several years, dont win a grey cup in 20+, and have multiple sub 4 win seasons in the last hand full of years. We had drops, and we had misses. Nichols talked in the ob post game show about missing guys out there. Early on he was kinda shaky. Didnt look comfortable in the pocket. This game, our play calling was awful. I credit that a lot with our missed chances. Drops, and sub par execution in general certainly didnt help. Nichols had guys in great position and threw wide and low several times too. Some times what most fans see as a drop, was actual a great effort to get to a ball that was heavily over thrown. If lapo had called a half decent game imop we have 30-35 points by half. Harris was tearing up the sask D and went a huge period of time with out a carry. During which we gave dressler runs twice. The run was soo hard on the riders what little play action we used worked great. But we didnt use it consistently etc. Nichols needs to be better, our wrs need to be better, but plop more then any one else needs to get it together. I could see him getting fired mid season and Buck pierce taking over at this rate.

heard abit about that on OB post game show. Hope he is ok.

yes we did. we had several games just like this in the 2003 win streak. Sask choked and gave up opportunity and we took some. But we made them count in the clutch. Ssk had all the momentum in the 2nd half in a loud home field and we still out executed them and took it. We also missed a fg, and kicked 7. excuses dont win games or over turn results. The refs were awful. Jones threw away his challenge on a horrible decision and that cost them the game. Good teams dont get beat by the breaks. They pressure the other team till they make a mistake and capitalize. Bearing down when the breaks dont go there way.

yeah you dont score 1 td on offense and win many games. Rider pride better hide bomber blue coming through!

Harris ran like a beast, drives me nuts we didnt get him the ball more. The OL is also very close to being 3rd star as a group.

1 medlock 7 fgs tnite, first miss but gaming winning fg from beyond 40 as the clock runs out. 2 mcduffie. 7-153 1 td 21.9 ypc. Could be the kind of guy weve been missing for a long while. 3 nichols 27/39 341 1 td. Protected the ball, 6 different wrs had a catch. 21 first downs, ended up nearly dead even in TOP. HH johnny adams. Had some bumps this week and the past few but had a huge clutch pick.

time for un finished business.

Your right no D plays prevent for a game or a half. They will play soft cushion and come up and tackle the short under passes, which some people confuse as prevent. But our D does that a ton. Tor long played a match zone to a similar effect.

i have a fear of him ending up here, so any thing that keeps him in ott is good by me.

do you think hank would sit on the bench next year for harris? I have trouble seeing that, but maybe he holds out hope for a chance to get in at some point.

Josh ranek was kind of a similar type of runner. Quicker then you would think and a ton of pop. The bus was a ton of fun to watch, the combo of him and chris fuamatu-ma'afala near the end of his run was great. Straight up, id take harris for basically every other team in the league. Better pass blocker, better catcher and multi purpose threat. Doesnt require a ton of carries to be effective. Very strong balanced back. For most team where the run is close to an after thought he keeps you handing the ball off some times and gives you the most on plays where you run. Which are the huge majority. Hes also a guy who can play teams if you need, or move out to sb. However, if your a heavy run team (even by modern cfl standards) a grinding back like messam who wears defenses down faster is more useful. The point where a defense gets worn down comes much faster with a back like messam. And he has the kind of run power to push the pile easily. Some thing harris doesnt do. he can push through a pile of second level guys, but he cant push the pile of lineman like messam can. To be fair, no one else in the league can. The mental questions around messam and slightly more advanced age is tough to quantify. But messam has only passed 1k combined yards twice in his previous 7 years. With around 1300-1400 both times. Harris, has only missed 1k combined yards on offense twice. First season he got no touches, 2nd year he just barely missed. While breaking 1800 yards in 2012. Harris has played 111 games only missing time once, for 2 teams. Messam has played 100 games over the same time. Only playing full seasons his first 2 years. He first year with no offensive use. That with 5 different teams. Not to mention 52 tds for harris, 21 for messam. In theory a back like messam could be better for a team like ours. In reality, the consistency, reliability, and durability plus the intangibles harris brings put him out in front. Now if we could have picked up messam in the off season and played a 2 back set with messam and harris, thunder and lightning we could be in an amazing position.

ah i see. i dont follow the nfl much any more wasnt sure if it was time spent on the PR or what. Either way i could still see him catching on and playing teams, or waiting for an nfl offer for the next few weeks seeing if any team has an injury rash.

Id take him. Wouldnt pay him a ton, but his blocking, and being un tackle able sure has a place. Especially with banged up bodies all over the place. Ive often wondered why teams have used him in the back field on goal line offense. Fridge style. He doesnt take the place of smith dressler or denmark when healthy. Or kohlerts pass port, but he could challenge the young imps for that last spot when every one is healthy and fill in well when not. He would also fit into our system brilliantly. Hes a strong possession guy taking the short passes under coverage the D gives then turning up and hitting people.

Yeah. I really like his blocking away from the play. Have to wonder if he suffered mostly due to the change in qbs. Different qbs develop rapports at a different pace and with different types of players. But then weve seen plenty of imp wr's you who come in play like gangbusters for a few weeks then disappear. He may be another one of those. Wouldnt be surprised at all to see him pop up else where though. Im guessing no market developed for castillo. Medlock shook off some early season flutters and is right in his groove now. No point in holding on to castillo may as well give him a chance else where. Wish him the best. He deserves to be in the league kicking some where.

Not a ton over what most teams have sunk into QBs. Probably well under what most teams with viable cfl vet back ups are paying.

Isnt there a rule limiting the amount of time a player can sit on the PR? he may have used it up. But then I dont think he sat a great deal of time on the PR. Im a bit surprised by the move, and a bit excited. I could still easily see him catching onto another teams ST unit though.

starting ni to qb. Durant backs up on 5 teams in the league easy. Durants certainly better then nichols or willy. But a sub mid tier qb who cant stay healthy is a good back up or a worry some starter. Muamba has hardly played and mtl cut him dont forget for cap saving. He may have once been an elite LB but he'd have to prove that he still is. Plenty of guys have short flashes in the pan, he certainly did play elite in mtl. Willy/nichols would start on the same teams in the league as durant, unless they were on the same team as durant. In which case theyd be waiting for boos and or an injury.

with the much larger film industry in wpg, much much larger amounts of farming, trucking and manufacturing, id say we still more economic diversity. We just have far worse, more turbulent industries where as oil, even when its bad is still pretty good. (especially compared to farming and manufacturing.)

Fair comparison would be bob irving. However, his appearances on cfl.ca and media in other cities begs the differ. Is there some one in another city like pederson making a living off the same type of work? With the same lack of objectivity?

qb>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ni starter in the cfl. Would you like to trade darian durant for rory kohlert?