Dragon37

Well, I would dispute that. I used to only see it when the D player makes contact or breeches the full yard. But they used to allow the one yard barrier to be encroached as long as the player got back before the snap. That is how the rule is and that is the way they used to call it.

It bothers me how much they will not call holding, especially when the quarterback is deemed really good. Montreal used to get away with a ton of holding when AC was QB and I would guess that that has changed considerably since his departure. I guarantee that there is a play saving holding when the ball is held by the QB past 5 seconds or they start scrambling. IMHO it doesn't make for better linemen or football when they are constantly allowed to hold.

You could talk to Ricky Ray and AC about short passes and career success both are/were masters of short passes. Longs passes are fun to watch for sure, but fact is you are not going to get very many in a game. There are plenty of QBs right now that survive mostly on the short and medium pass. Me I don't care. You take what you can get. If you do that and sprinkle in some long ball and running you are going to win more than you lose.

I was thinking more of the change in the last few years where a D player goes offside quite a bit but get back before the snap. That was very rarely called in the past if they made no contact and got back. I happened once in the last Bomber game. As well, if D moved first and an OLineman moved (a natural defensive action) it still got called procedure now it doesn't. Now the latter I am actually okay with but the getting flagged when you step offside but get back I don't agree with ... nor do I like how teams get away with a crapload of holding (i include our line in this). With holding, the better a QB is deemed the holding seems to drop exponentially.

It's awesome to have consistency where we haven't had it for a very, very, very, long time.

When one whole leg is nearly flat on the ground and the ball comes out it is hard for me to call it a fumble. They called an Arcenaux juggling act a catch and allowed either Fogg or Dressler to be tackled out of bounds. Seems that BC doesn't have much to whine about as the game could have easily gone a lot worse for them. They lost the game on a bad play call on third and one and several failed red zone series. They should be looking at the things they did wrong not one call by the officials. The officials did not cost them ****.

Yes, you can. Clearly they don't but the rule says no movement when set, so no movement. Yet another cheat allowed by the refs for the offenses that isn't passed on to the defensive line.

He is talking about a specific stand he is talking about a OL being in a specific position the moving as set is called. In the last Edmonton game the right guard was looking back at the QB and as the QB he would turn his head back and go into his stance. Thus was in motion all through set.

Yeah they listened to BC a few times, such as with that grounding call. #90 for BC made the call for the head ref.

Lots of good play today. Leggett, Fogg, Nichols, Medlock, Dressler, Westerman, etc.

Other than not calling holding and the blown PI calls on BC. The refs did a decent job.

No. When set is called you can't move. Edmonton's #65 (right guard) did something similar in the previous game too.

I was pretty annoyed that our secondary was called for running into BC receivers (good call except one) but our guys could be basically tackled and it was good defense.

Knee touched ball came out right call. Called immediately on the field and confirmed by command centre. I don't care what twatter-verse has to say. IMHO they got away with several holds, two PIs, etc so boohoo.

Great signing. Like Dressler it really was a no-brainer. We need more skilled tall/big receivers a Gurley fits that bill.

Good choice. I hope they add Jacobs this year

There was lots of bad tackling last night. I would still take Fredick over Adams who played like ass.

So, obviously, the mistakes Nichols makes are all his fault and make him less of a QB while any other team's QB is better regardless. I have seen Reilly, Mitchell, Collaros, and so on all whiff passes and struggle and I do not think any less of them. What Mitchell, Reilly, and Collaros have around them though is a vastly better set of receivers, OL (though ours is much better now), and RBs. I don't know how you can deny that those other QBs have all been helped tremendously by having lots of weapons. Look what happened to Collaros last week (didn't look too great with no tools to use). By no means do I think that Nichols a hall of famer or anything like that but he is far more than just a seat filler. He has produced more wins than losses in his short starting career. BTW the ONLY QBs regularly throwing 300 YD games are Reilly and Mitchell so your claim that 300 yd games are not a big deal really doesn't hold much water. Oh and I would think all QBs rely on YAC yards and good receivers to make them (look) good.

He threw for over 300 yards and is perfectly capable of doing game in and game out, like any QB though you need to have a full toolbox and Nichols doesn't. Mitchell is every bit the game manger too, take a look at his efficiency rating. Game managers get good ratings. Mitchell, Reilly, and Collaros have at least two high level receivers to throw the ball to Winnipeg a few that are close but they are small and light and that require precision passing which you do not usually get for 60 minutes. I will give you though that Nichols is not good at passing on the move like the three you mention. Nichols also tries passing back across his body on the move too often and bounces it as a result. IMHO Nichols can compete at a very high level but the team around him is going to have to improve first.

LaPo is no more conservative than any other OC. They all run similar offenses. They could push it deep more but that would require more running they ran five running plays in the first half alone. You can't be successful pushing the ball anywhere when you run that kind of predictable offense. Edmonton was having zero success until they got White going. That gave Reilly more time and the receivers got open. While the Winnipeg O just dropped back and hoped for the best. You also need a consistent deep threat and we do not have that.

No, I cannot. Though the red zone production improved last couple of games it needs to be better. Both O and D need to be better. One thing they have to improve in the off-season is receiver size. I believe I have been saying it for a few years though.

Demark, Nichols, and Flanders honorable mention to Medlock. D was awful and so I can't give them any stars or HH except for maybe Wild.

Johnny was absolutely brutal. He can snicker all he wants but he is not that great a DB. Yeah he got some picks but he also got burned quite frequently and his play this year showed he was a flash in the pan.

Um, the offense has produced plenty of yardage and points, especially in the last two games. The O gave the team a chance to win last week and the D couldn't hold for 20 SECONDS and this week when the D needed to lock down they folded like a cheap tent. When your D is giving up nearly or over 100 yards a quarter and taking terrible penalties you don't win many games. People made a big deal about the turnover ratio in the streak but fact is by the last few games of the streak that ratio was dropping and the Bombers were still putting up wins because the defense and special teams were producing. Now the defense has taken considerable steps back and the offense, which is not an all star blockbuster offense, cannot catch up. It's really simple defense simply cannot give up nearly a game's worth of scoring in the first half to give this team the best chance to win. Yes the offense can improve but we have known that all year but let's not fool ourselves that our defense is this team because they have surrendered tons of yardage all year. The turnover ratio allowed people to turn a blind eye to our defensive shortcomings.

When set is called there is to be no movement. If you see it you flag it. That's the rule. Winnipeg got called for pointing this year and they are about the only ones that I have seen and in the replay you see it and it was clearly during set.