SpeedFlex27

The one time I agree with you. Both knew they had playing time coming. So, go out & show how good they are. To quit a day or 2 before that game makes no sense. From a business sense.

SFU didn't deserve players like Tyler & the others who stuck it out & gave thir blood & sweat for a program that didn't care about them. He should have transferred out but he didn't. I give him credit for sticking it out but but the cost was very high emotionally & physically for the guy. Anyway, I can see where this conversation is going. I'm being pidgeon holed by some here & every time I give an answer the hole is getting smaller. So, for any of you who think my opinion is invalid or romantic, good on you. I have my beliefs & you have yours. Never the twain shall meet. My conversation on this topic s over.

Dunigan had injury problems the longer his career went on. Not at the beginning. Mostly concussions.

If it's such a bad thing to be the 4th or 5th qb then why even come to training camp? You say it's a waste of time so no big deal if they leave. Well, I don't buy what your selling. There are guys who would play on a broken leg if they could. Or never would consider quitting even if they were behind the 8 ball. Yes, it's a business you get paid to win. However, giving up on yourself is also a business decision. They made it. Good luck to them.

No, I don't. Getting cut is one thing. But walking away from your teammates? How is that leadership or character at the position that requires the most of both? To me, it's the ultimate in selfishness. Things get tough & you quit? Wilson probably felt that he didn't get a fair shake & maybe he didn't. Well then, the only one who can change that perception of Wilson is Wilson himself. Work harder. Study harder. Be the most prepared. Leave everything on the table. No stone unturned. Be the smartest qb in meetings. If he still gets cut ast least then he can say he gave it his all & it just wasn't meant to be. If it's not a mental thing then it's physical. From all the stories I read here of fans watching Wilson practice he didn't do that. His passing was missing the mark. For a third year pro, he should be stepping up & not taking a step back. In Thorne's situation, he probably was overwhelmed & decided to get out. I can imagine players like Brock, Dunigan, Clements, etc all felt that at some point but put their head down & powered thru it. Okay, Thorne's not the first rookie to quit. It happens. If he came back & O'Shea agreed to take him back then I'd be okay with that. Being a rookie he deserves a second chance if he wants it in the future. I can say this about my son Tyler since you brought him up. He never quit any team that he played for. He went thru 3 head coaches, 3 OC's, 3 playbooks, three different sets of terminology & 3 QB Coaches in the three seasons he played at SFU. Some very talented players transferred out. They couldn't recruit during the 3 years he played at SFU because they'd take 3-4 months to hire an new HC so the team couldn't commit to players. And beside, who would sign with SFU when they didn't know who the head coach was going to be? So, recruitment was absolutely dead. This just made the team worse every season he was there. Tyler could have went into the transfer portal every year but each time he said no. He felt he owed it to his "brothers" to stay & not run out on them. So he didn't leave. All his loyalty did was to continue playing football for the worst NCAA program anywhere. His final season under Head Coach Kelly Bates was the worst. They didn't win a game. Bates never played 4 down football. He was never a head coach before. Bates was so far in over his head he was 200 feet underwater & sinking fast yet his huge ego was the problem. He thought he knew all the answers to none of the questions & coached like it. He treated Tyler like ****. Took away his captaincy. Made him the third string qb. All because Tyler came into his office after he was hired to talk about some of the grievances the players had with all the changes every year. The players hated Bates because he treated most of the veterans he never recruited like dirt. Dude went 0-39 as a head coach before the AD put him out of his misery but the damege was done. The players had long stopped playing for him. The football program was cooked. The administration's one goal was to kill the football program & the hiring of Bates sure did it. They hired a couple of head coaches after Bates but only won 2 or 3 more football games after that. All of BC's best football players went to UBC instead. The football team was discontinued. Some of these guys at the pro level think they're so hard done by really aren't.

2 hours ago, Noeller said: How is Perkins a veteran back up? He's no more a veteran than Ermergerdsma. This game tomorrow will determine a lot. If the two rookies look good, they won't airlift a veteran like MBT or whatever... They'll find a neg lister to bring in. If the rookies look like ass, however, then they might panic and being in someone with CFL experience (a "veteran", if you will ..) Who the heck is Ermergerdsma?

Yeah, sorry. Thorne & Wilson.

Character & leadership. Something Perkins & Wilson don't appear to have. If they still want to play then quitting isn't going to help convince other teams to give them a chance. I can see someone like Jake Dolegala or Mason Fine signed as a fourth qb. They have never quit. Wilson was a waste of time.

The kid's a rookie. You're already saying Zach's cooked so you've handed him the starting spot already. The kid needs time. You don't throw him in without experience.

Yeah, Scheifle wasn't good enough for Team Canada in February. The Team Canada coaches & managers can GTH.

It does but the Riders are the team to beat in the West until someone else does. Watch out for the Lions. That passing offense is going to be something.

I didn't say they were but to think Zach should play behind Elgersma because he can throw with his arm & Zacjwith his whole body is ridiculous.

I remember when the Bombers traded away Don Jonas to Hamilton & threw rookie Dieter Brock to the wolves thinking he was ready to start in a game against the Eskimos at Clarke Stadium in September of 1974. Brock got the **** beat out of him that game. Completing barely a third of his passes & serving up I believe 4 picks as well as being sacked over & over all game long. It really showed that Brock wasn't ready for prime time. He sat behind Chuck Ealey for a year until HC Bud Riley determined that Brock had surpassed ealey on the roster & was ready to play in 1975. The Bombers traded Ealey to the Argos in 1975 & made Brock the starter. For the next nine seasons, we had a qb who could set the air on fire throwing zingers to his receivers all over the field. The kid was ready & he became one of the CFL's greats but it took a year. What a difference that year made in this case.

That is one of the worst commercials ever. It's not even cute

Yeah, the rook looks great until he has to actually play. Don't rush the kid. At least let him settle in & learn from Zach & Condell. If he has what it takes, we'll find out soon enough. Throwing him to the wolves as a rookie would be a huge mistake. He's at least a year away from being a realistic starter.

Bruce deserved more. That's an insult. But it's the best he's going to get.

He'll have to learn to play on Specials to really help us. I doubt if he ever has as he was a qb. I wish we'd sign experienced young Canadian receivers in February insead of inexperienced kids in May who have already been cut once & are changing positions that can't even play on kick or punt return.

It's an exhibition game for crissakes. Losing/winning means nothing.

We just lost JSK for the season. This is only the second week of TC. No team stays healthy after 2 pre season, 18 regular games, playoffs & GC. It's all about attrition. Injuries seems to have a lot to do with luck, it seems. Some teams just go on a run of bad luck. If a team gets lucky & stays relatively healthy then they have a shot to win a championship.

I'm willing to give all the changes a chance to see how it works out.

The Bomber medical staff & Osh cooked him last season.

650000 in the US is terrible. That's like 65000 watching the CFL in Canada. The only reason they average 15000 a game is because St Louis pads the attendance average & even then, the Battlehawks are drawing significantly less than in years before as are the Washington Defenders. As far as the NHL goes, most markets are averaging 90% capacity at home for attendance. The UFL is failing badly. Just one guy is keeping that going. The owner Steve Repole who thinks operating a league fron a central location is better than individual owners, coaches & scouting. Yeah, it's working out great so far, isn't it?

Yeah, no idea when games are televised. The UFL is a hot mess. If Johnson has a vision of merging with this zombie blood sucking money league, that'll be the end of the CFL. Pro football will cease to exist in Canada.

Just like communism, having a league run like it's a central committee in Moscow with no team GM's or scouting positions... everything run out of one head office ... one guy making all the decisions just does not work. The teams can't respond to unique local needs of the fans. It's no wonder the UFL is struggling. There's no connection to any local markets.

Jack Coan won't win them a lot of games if Harris goes down with serious injury.