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Sorry. I thought ARF was talking population. My bad.

Okay, I give up! LOL!!

Not sure, let me see ... looks like 187 for Denmark and 477 for Sweden.

AtlanticRiderFan's numbers were based on total population, yours on number of cases. Death rate of Denmark= 273/6369*100= 4.3% Death rate of Sweden=899/10483*100=8.6% The number I saw from last week for Sweden was 400 but we'll use your figure of 477. 477/10483*100 equals 4.55% which is virtually identical to Denmark's 4.3% so I'll stand on those numbers. I won't call you a liar and claim you made stuff up as that would be attacking you personally. I'll just assume you made a mistake in comparing apples to oranges.

No, you're right, and I apologize if I wasn't clear. These numbers are jumping all over the place as things change daily. These trends will become clearer as more time goes by.

You can't be serious. Deaths is not the same as death rate. You're welcome.

Yeah, I said 899 is the same as 273. Uh huh. SMH

A week ago Sweden had 400 deaths which would have put them at 3.82%. They have spiked since then, as expected. They will adjust as they see necessary. "However in other places in Sweden, travel and tourism have increased during Easter, despite the appeal to stay at home. “We have seen an extra influx of people, and it worries me a bit”, says Simrishamn Municipal councillor Jeanette Ovesson. “It's hard to say if it has any impact. We will see possible consequences in a couple of weeks. But there has been no higher burden on health care these days”, says Ovesson"

Interesting.

Norway, like Korea, has really low numbers as they locked down almost immediately. Their fear is that when they relax the restrictions they will experience a spike in infections and away we go again. This is exactly what has happened in places like China. So the question may become, do we have a long, drawn out battle with this thing which destroys our economy and leads to mass social problems, or do we bite the bullet now, save the economy, avoid the social problems and get it over with? It remains to be seen which approach is best.

In the video he said that Denmark, Sweden's neighbour, went into full lockdown mode, like us, and is experiencing about the same death rate as Sweden. If that's true, then what's the point of a lockdown? Add to that the fact that Sweden hasn't "cratered" their economy and the strategy makes sense. Their approach is to take the brunt of it now and get it over with instead of prolonging the pain and suffering of a protracted lockdown.

Nicaragua and COVID-19 - Western media's best kept secret http://www.tortillaconsal.com/tortilla/node/9033 Nicaragua has not established, nor will it establish, any kind of quarantine. People who have symptoms of COVID-19 and also have some link to someone with the proven disease will be admitted to a health unit for study and follow-up. Those who also test positive for COVID-19 will be admitted to one of the centres for the treatment of patients with the disease. People who are admitted from countries at risk (as defined by WHO) will not be restricted from moving within the country, but will be alerted to the precautionary measures to be taken and asked for a contact number and address to follow up by phone and visits. "With similarities to Sweden's successful strategy to tackle the pandemic, Nicaragua bases its strategy on confidence in the population's ability to take preventive measures while avoiding restrictions on economic activity to the greatest extent possible."

"The Venezuelan government announced a series of measures on Sunday in attempts to protect the population from the economic effects of the coronavirus crisis. Speaking on a live televised address, President Nicolás Maduro instructed that all commercial and residential rent, as well as all capital and loan interest payments, are to be suspended for six months. Public- and private-sector workers will receive a special government bonus, and wages of small and midsize companies will be paid by the state until September. A pre-existing workplace stability decree has also been extended until the end of the year, outlawing job dismissals as a result of the quarantine. Loan appeals by small and medium businesses are to be fast-tracked, and a special agricultural investment plan will look to guarantee the contents of the subsidized Local Food Production and Provision Committees (CLAP) food boxes for a reported seven million families. Telecommunications companies have also been barred from cutting off customers for six months. Upon unveiling the measures, Maduro promised to use “all his power and consciousness to protect jobs” and the most vulnerable in society during the quarantine lockdown." https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/venezuela-announces-6-month-rent-suspension-guarantees-workers-wages-bans-lay-offs/

Got one like that for the flu?

It doesn't matter. As you may recall, I predicted to you that the agenda would be no normalcy, regardless, until they had a vaccine that would be mandated on us resulting in a huge windfall for Big Pharma. Will this virus mutate? Will we be throwing tens of millions of doses of vaccine in the garbage again like we did with SARS? Will Big Pharma make tens of billions like they did after the bird flu scares in 2006 and 2007? No matter. Right on schedule Trudeau came out with the announcement yesterday. "Canadians won’t be able to return to life as they knew it before the novel coronavirus pandemic until a vaccine is available, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Thursday." “Normality as it was before will not come back full-on until we get a vaccine for this… That will be a very long way off,” the prime minister said during his daily news conference on Canada’s response to the COVID-19 outbreak." “We will have to remain vigilant for at least a year,” he added in French. Not a word about the economy or the effects this policy will have on the health of the nation as a whole. I cannot imagine what the economic devastation will be if we shut this country down for an entire year but there will not be anything normal about it. Our response to this thing, in my opinion, is absolutely insane.

That doesn't surprise me. Are people not hoarding food too? Everything I'm seeing online tells me that the experts expect prices to rise 4% on veggies and 6% on meat. My wife says it has already exceeded that. I get it, border closures, supply chain issues, and plexiglass installations have got to increase costs in an industry which already operates on razor-thin margins.

Attacking me personally doesn't do anything for your argument, which apparently is that there is no poverty or starvation and it isn't going to get worse now that we've tanked our economy. Good luck with that, rainbows and unicorns in your world. https://www.thestar.com/business/2020/03/31/food-prices-set-to-rise-amid-covid-19-crisis.html I just asked my wife if she's noticed prices have spiked for groceries. She says oh for sure! I asked her how much, what percentage. She responded easily 10% which exceeds the predictions quoted by the experts.

Ever read Mel Hertig's book, The Truth About Canada"? A few excerpts ... “In 1989, the House of Commons passed a unanimous resolution, claiming that they would end child poverty by the year 2000. This was considered a major breakthrough. Nineteen years on, and where are we? Child poverty today is exactly the same as when they passed the resolution. So what happened? The GDP has more than doubled since that resolution. That’s about $900 billion. “With child poverty still a problem, you would think our social spending would be at least on par with other European countries, but no. Of the 30 OECD countries, we’re 25th in social spending. There are developed countries that have a quarter of the child poverty that we do, and they’re still more competitive in business than us. Their taxes are higher, and they’re still ahead of us. Where did all of our money go? “Beginning with the Mulroney government, there’s been a huge downgrading in the role government plays in combating poverty. Right now, the level of welfare in Canada is far below the level it was back in 1980. Meanwhile our largest corporations have charted all-time record profits for four consecutive years. Of the 30 OECD countries, we rank 21st in citizen taxes, while we’re 27th in corporate taxes. So it’s the people who bear the high cost of poverty and taxation. That’s no way to run a country.” You do realize there was poverty and starvation IN CANADA before this covid-19, right? Do you somehow think that has improved now that we've tanked our economy?

You can't be serious.

I haven't heard anyone advocating throwing caution to the wind. Even Sweden is taking steps to protect and isolate the most vulnerable in their society, the elderly, restricting gatherings of large crowds, and asking their population to be "adult" and not throw caution to the wind. What they're not doing is over-reacting by buying into the media-hype and stripping their citizens of their rights, willingly destroying their economy, bankrupting their businesses, putting troops in the streets, restricting travel, and creating mass unemployment, poverty, and starvation by locking down the whole population for an extended period of time.

The decision to sacrifice human lives is made every day. For example, when a vehicle safety proposal that will save lives is brought to General Motors and they consider it's implementation a decision is made weighing human lives on one hand and cost on the other. Yes all vehicles could be made like Sherman tanks and human lives would be saved, however the decision is made to not implement these safety features in the name of profits, convenience, and economic viability.