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Statistics starting to come out of Sweden. Found this article which mentions Denmark as well. Has Sweden Found the Right Solution to the Coronavirus? Here are a few of the highlights ... "If the COVID-19 pandemic tails off in a few weeks, months before the alarmists claim it will, they will probably pivot immediately and pat themselves on the back for the brilliant social-distancing controls that they imposed on the world. They will claim that their heroic recommendations averted total calamity. Unfortunately, they will be wrong; and Sweden, which has done almost no mandated social distancing, will probably prove them wrong." “The theory of lockdown, after all, is pretty niche, deeply illiberal — and, until now, untested. It’s not Sweden that’s conducting a mass experiment. It’s everyone else.” "We’ve posed these simple questions to many highly trained infectious-disease doctors, epidemiologists, mathematical disease-modelers, and other smart, educated professionals. It turns out that, while you need proof beyond a reasonable doubt to convict a person of theft and throw them in jail, you don’t need any actual evidence (much less proof) to put millions of people into a highly invasive and burdensome lockdown with no end in sight and nothing to prevent the lockdown from being reimposed at the whim of public-health officials. Is this rational?" "The problem with lockdowns is that “you tire the system out,” Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s chief epidemiologist, told the Guardian. “You can’t keep a lockdown going for months — it’s impossible.” He told Britain’s Daily Mail: “We can’t kill all our services. And unemployed people are a great threat to public health. It’s a factor you need to think about.”" "The really good news is that in Sweden’s ICU census, which is updated every 30 minutes nationwide, admissions to every ICU in the country are flat or declining, and they have been for a week. As of this writing (based on currently available data), most of Sweden’s ICU cases today are elderly, and 77 percent have underlying conditions such as heart disease, respiratory disease, kidney disease, and diabetes. Moreover, there hasn’t been a single pediatric ICU case or death in Sweden — so much for the benefits of shutting down schools everywhere else. There are only 25 COVID-19 ICU admissions among all Swedes under the age of 30." "Sweden is developing herd immunity by refusing to panic. By not requiring social isolation, Sweden’s young people spread the virus, mostly asymptomatically, as is supposed to happen in a normal flu season. They will generate protective antibodies that make it harder and harder for the Wuhan virus to reach and infect the frail and elderly who have serious underlying conditions. For perspective, the current COVID-19 death rate in Sweden (40 deaths per million of population) is substantially lower than the Swedish death rate in a normal flu season (in 2018, for instance, about 80 per million of population)." "Nature’s got this one, folks. We’ve been coping with new viruses for untold generations. The best way is to allow the young and healthy — those for whom the virus is rarely fatal — to develop antibodies and herd immunity to protect the frail and sick. As time passes, it will become clearer that social-isolation measures like those in Switzerland and Norway accomplish very little in terms of reducing fatalities or disease, though they crater local and national economies — increasing misery, pain, death, and disease from other causes as people’s lives are upended and futures are destroyed." Source: https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-response-sweden-avoids-isolation-economic-ruin/

There are opinions aplenty many of which were grounded in the relentless barrage of media-hype we've been subjected to for the past few weeks. Talk about blah, blah, blah. So what? I had opinions that went against that flow. Again, so what? Isn't that what discussion forums are for, discussing the facts and having opinions? I won't apologise for having an opinion if that's what you're getting at. A lot of what I've been opining is grounded in fact although admittedly it hasn't been pounded into our heads by the great media machine. COVID-19: Approximately 83,149 deaths reported worldwide; 12,911 deaths in the U.S., as of Apr. 8, 2020. Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year. Source: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu

Good stuff, Speedflex27!

More from the "misinformed" ... http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/april/06/end-the-shutdown-it-s-time-for-resurrection/ "On March 24th, the CDC issued an alert stating that doctors should classify “probable COVID-19” or “likely COVID-19” as Covid-19 deaths. Perhaps that explains the seeming drop-off of pneumonia deaths this year and the simultaneous spike in Covid-19 deaths as some researchers have reported.The BBC reported last week that, “At present in the US, any death of a Covid-19 patient, no matter what the physician believes to be the direct cause, is counted for public reporting as a Covid-19 death.”Does that sound like a scientifically sound way of determining how deadly Covid-19 really is?What is most dangerous is that although this virus will eventually disappear, the assault on our civil liberties is not likely to be reversed. From this point on, whenever local officials, county officials, state governors, or federal bureaucrats decide there is sufficient reason to suspend the Constitution they will not hesitate to do so. Anyone who challenges the suspension of the Constitution “for our own good” will be labeled “unpatriotic” and perhaps even reported to the authorities. We have already seen hotlines springing up across the country for Americans to report other Americans who dare venture outside to enjoy the sun and build up their vitamin D protection against the coronavirus"

Toronto real estate market down from 37% last week to a whopping 58% this week. Everything right on schedule.

Some people realized that politicians are just puppets and those pulling their strings have a different agenda from the "people". Combine that with the masterful job the media does of shaping the minds of "the people" and you get what we have today -- a panicked, misinformed, mob in fight-or-flight mode willing to conform and swallow without question whatever is fed to them.

It's a gift. 🙂

The auto-dialer is quite a weapon. I imagine you could torment the hell out of someone with that thing. Imagine if you could spoof your phone number so it showed a different one each time. Bwahahaha!

EI. Just a regular EI claim.

Probably overwhelmed.

I probably don't have a good handle on the logistics of this but I am in my 3rd week of dropped lines and busy signals trying to speak to a human at Service Canada. I think I have PTSD from the constant busy signal and the recording that says "due to the high volume of calls we cannot take your call right now. Please try again later". Click. I have the auto-dialer set to 300 seconds. I start it at 8:30am and my phone dials away until 4:30pm. 5 days a weeks. I'm in my 3rd week. I figure I am a pretty patient guy. I wonder how many people are in this boat with me.

In this day and age two weeks is a lifetime. They're the government! Okay, what if you couldn't get through due to a constant busy signal. The Service Canada centres are shut down. What would you do?

I feel your pain as do many thousands of us. They've had how long to set this up and it's just a mess. Download yourself an autodialer and set it for 5 minutes or so and it'll dial in for you repeatedly until it connects. You need to talk to a human and I don't know how else you can do it. Good luck.

I think I remember reading that the "something else" was zinc.

What I got from the video was that if you accidentally spill a small glob somewhere, not just on your hands but anywhere, and you are anywhere near a bbq, where there are flash flames, that the alcohol in the sanitizer will burn. Alcohol is dangerous as **** because it burns with an invisible flame and you can't see it. If you, or your partner, or your kids, or your neighbours or their kids, have hand sanitizer in the vicinity of a bbq please be careful.

Sorry, but a good friend of mine here in Ontario knows this gentleman and sent me his video. It looked like something to be shared so I thought I'd post it here. Mark, if you feel it doesn't belong or needs to be moved elsewhere please do what you feel is right. Thanks.

Not at all. It shows that you can do plenty to successfully flatten this thing without sacrificing your economy, putting people out of work, bankrupting your businesses, creating undue fear & panic, and needlessly isolating the strong and healthy of your society.

Fair point. I, too, dismiss a lot of what I read as nonsense or worse. You definitely have to have a filter and still try not to throw the baby out with the bath water.

So, just like virtually all main stream media outlets then? 😉

Do you practice being wrong because you're sure good at it. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/hospitals-overwhelmed-by-surge-of-flu-cases/article562037/ https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/health/flu-surveillance-cdc/index.html https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patients/ https://www.patriotledger.com/news/20200114/flu-cases-overwhelm-south-shore-hospital-emergency-room

Gosh, someone that disagrees with me or disagrees with a source I may have quoted. What a surprise. You may have noticed that anyone willing to consider all arguments, no matter how extreme, and/or questions the main stream media's take on things, because, y'know, they'd never lie to us, is always labeled as a crank or a conspiracy theorist. It's an old ploy that I am immune to. A wise man, one much wiser than I, once told me that if I say something and everyone agrees with me, I should be wary. "You are either wrong or lying or both".

It is also the end of the 4 months of support from funds such as E.I. benefits.

Who are you arguing with and what are you arguing?