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Which is why I said to protect them. Isolate the sick, not the healthy. We already know that when healthy people get it the vast majority brush it aside. What do you mean we don't know? Who are these millions of dead people? Fact #1. The vast majority of fatalities are those with compromised immune systems such as diabetics, those suffering from organ failure, the sick and the elderly. Fact #2. The vast majority of healthy people with healthy immune symptoms have no to mild symptoms and recover within 14 days. Knowing this, if I had to address this problem, the most efficient solution I could think of would be to isolate the sick and the elderly and protect them from infection. Once I had secured them I would ask the strong and healthy to continue providing for their families and running their businesses while practising safe, hygenic measures to protect themselves from infection by frequent hand washing, covering their coughs and sneezes, and sanitizing their homes and work places. You could also track the people that have gotten ill and isolate them as well along with anyone they may have had contact with. This is not the same as a total lockdown. It would likely accomplish the same goal as a total lock-down but at a minuscule fraction of the cost and destruction to the economy that we are doing right now. Look at Singapore. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/31/countries-in-lockdown-should-try-what-singapore-is-doing-coronavirus-expert.html

I'm all for protecting the most vulnerable, which are the sick and the elderly -- those with compromised immune systems. The vast majority of fatalities belong to that group and not the strong and healthy. The vast majority of us experience mild to no symptoms. This is not my opinion. It is a fact. We don't isolate the strong and healthy for the flu, which so far has proven to be an even bigger killer, so why are we doing it for the coronavirus? We have no vaccine for the coronavirus so how are we supposed to build herd immunity within our strong and healthy population? By isolating them? Makes no sense to me and I don't know how it makes sense to you. The measures I disagree with are economic and are resulting in the destruction of our economy. This, in my opinion, is insanity.

Agreed.

Agree 100% and it has not fared them well since WWII. The American military faltered in the seventies and their economy did too. The big change in China came with the end of Mao's "great experiment" and the loosening of control by China's socialists to completely defeat poverty and to allow their version of privatisation & capitalism. The State is never far away but they are smart enough to not mess with what's working.

This part "they are our enemies & if allowed would crush us & our way of life". was probably a little over the top.

I have never claimed that coronavirus is no big deal so don't make stuff up. As to the flu shot being ineffective, there is lots of support for that argument. I think the intelligent thing to do is weigh both sides before you decide. Personally I don't care whether you get a flu shot or not. I wish you good health either way.

Oh I agree things will change but I just don't see manufacturing returning to Canada any time soon. China is part of the G20 and will follow the global agenda along with the U.S., Mexico, GB, Russia, and Canada. If anything, I see even more of our manufacturing going to Mexico.

I don't see that kind of autonomy for Canada in the global economy. Those kinds of things are decided for all countries at the G20 Summits.

Vaccines and the big pharmaceutical companies have lots to contribute to the topic of covid-19. As for the Queen, I heard Prince Charles tested positive, and snakes were implicated in the virus transmissions in China. The meanderings of JRR Tolkien, maybe not so much. 😉

Ask BIGPHARMA. I'm sure you'll get the straight goods. 😉

Well no. They interviewed the mother and she told us what happened, which doesn't sound good. You don't believe her?

Sorry to hear about the second death in Manitoba. Very sad news. The report I found on Google said they weren't releasing any other details.

I'm glad it all worked out for you and your son.

Glad to hear you're okay.

I'm not against those measures. I'm wondering why those same measures weren't taken against a pathogen that is killing at a 29:1 ratio. The argument I got is that we have the flu shot.

BTW, before you run off to get your next flu shot, you might want to read this article on the hazards and effectiveness of the flu shot before you make up your mind. https://experiencelife.com/article/the-debate-about-flu-shots/

You can't deny that your argument in support of brushing aside 29 flu deaths in light of 1 covid-19 death was that there is the flu shot but no vaccine against covid-19 so we're more vulnerable to it. Sorry, but that makes no sense. It might make sense if the death counts were reversed but for now at least that is not the case.

America?

Your logic is that we brush aside 29 flu deaths to 1 coronavirus death because some people get the flu shot? I can do without that logic. Do you realise how ridiculous what you just said is? We currently have a 29:1 death ratio, almost exactly the same 29:1 death ratio that we are seeing in Ontario and I expect across the country and maybe the world and for that we are going to: collapse the world economy the cost of which will be "at least $1 trillion and possibly $2 trillion world-wide" plunge the world into recession/depression cause world wide supply shortages cause world wide panic buying force the layoff of hundreds of millions of workers world wide cause extreme poverty world wide cause world wide stress, anxiety, depression, suicide cause world wide violence, rioting, theft, looting put troops in the streets world wide and our part in it will be to stand idly by and: (courtesy Health Canada) stay at home unless you have to go to work talk to your employer about working at home if possible avoid all non-essential trips in your community do not gather in groups limit contact with people at higher risk, such as older adults and those in poor health go outside to exercise but stay close to home if you leave your home, always keep a distance of at least 2 arms lengths (approximately 2 metres) from others, and household contacts (people you live with) do not need to distance from each other unless they are sick or have travelled in the last 14 days All this for a death rate that is 1/29th that of the flu. Yes I realise that may change as the flu season ends but talk about a fail at logic. Even if the coronavirus death toll soars to 30 times what it is now we will only just have reached that of the flu. A flu we were happy to live with before destroying the world we knew over coronavirus.

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What I find odd is that you aren't asking why we don't take the same measures to halt the spread of the flu? How is it that you can just brush those deaths aside? It's your attitude towards the flu that is completely dishonest and is contributing to far more death.

Could be. Where are you getting the 18 number? I just got the latest report, from March 15th to the 21st and it reports the flu deaths up to 29 from 27 so 2 more must have died recently. You can find the report here https://www.gov.mb.ca/health/publichealth/surveillance/influenza/docs/200321.pdf

Deaths in Manitoba due to Coronavirus. 1 Deaths in Manitoba due to flu. 27

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/varcoe-alberta-has-lost-its-reputation-as-a-competitive-place-to-invest-warns-mackinnon/

They've stolen 25% of my life savings overnight and they won't stop until they've got it all, I'm sure. We better get used to it, this has worked so well it will be repeated over and over again.