Rich

I've already showed you most of the starters in the league spent a couple of years as backups in the CFL. This is really the main point that I'm arguing with you. I think you are missing the point. For the guys I showed you, all their ages are about the same for their first year in the CFL and the stats I showed. That is why I included their ages. As for the rest of it, I've already said I don't think Davis isn't going to amount to much. Just don't agree with your argument that a QB doesn't need time to develop. You know, this quote here: The majority of the QBs in the CFL have had time to develop and learn the game. You can argue that they didn't need the time that they were just "stuck" behind a good QB, but that is just getting into a chicken and egg argument. I anxiously await your reply to twist my words and tell me how I am wrong again.

You cherry picked the original quote and missed the bolded part. The bolded part implies that a young QB needs time to watch and learn the game, which is the point people in this thread have been trying to make. Then you went on to say that Davis is already too old, that he is practically 30 already in hasn't amount to anything. Here are the first year stats of Masoli, Harris, and Davis. All had 0 starts at this point as well. Care to guess who is who? Age Completions Attempts Yards TDs Ints 26 8 19 80 0 0 26 16 25 169 0 0 25 21 45 293 1 3 I don't even think that Davis is going to amount to anything as a QB. The odds are stacked against him, there are far more QBs that fizzle out and become nothing than those that become starters, but it is far too early to write him off.

The original argument was it usually takes a QB 2 - 3 years as a backup before they can become regular starters, and you tried to make it look like there was a slew of QBs who come in right away and ready to be regular starters. That just isn't true as the stats I mentioned with the current slew of starting QBs prove. Ray and BLM are the possible exceptions, but most QBs take time a few years to learn the game. Does that mean that Davis is guaranteed to become a successful starter? No, but he has only dressed for 17 regular season games in which he has had 25 attempts and 10 rushes. It is also too early to proclaim him a bust. As for his age. he was 26 last year in his first CFL season which isn't that old when you consider college years and bouncing around the NFL.

Masoli is in his 4th year. He had 68 attempts in the 3 years prior to this season. BLM had 156 attempts over 2 seasons before becoming a regular starter. Harris has 94 attempts in 3 years before his breakout season last year.

QBs that can step in immediately are the exception, not the rule. Khari spent 3 years in BC behind Damon Allen before being traded to Winnipeg as an after thought. Khari was 29 (and a career backup) at that point in time and was traded to be the backup to Kerwin Bell. Maas spent a year as a backup before getting to be starter but he quickly lost that job to Ray when he got hurt. Ray became a starter in his rookie season, but he is definitely the exception.

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Not that this really matters in the point you are trying to make here, but Jim Daley had 3 years of Head Coaching experience in Saskatchewan before he became our head coach. He had an 18 - 36 record there. The problem is that I don't see a Dave Ritchie equivalent out there. Can't think of any coach out there right now with experience that I would want.

What game do the Bombers have a high chance of winning right now? Hamilton the week after? Toronto the week after that? Then we are into our bye and that is the most likely week O'Shea gets fired.

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I don't think the budget on players is any different than any other team. Every team spends about the same with the cap. Why have the Bombers had so much turnover since 2008? Is there a team with a worse overall record since 2008? Losing brings change. Can't argue much on the budget for GMs and coaches. Whether by design or not, we seem to hire the cheapest guys.

If that is the performance that LaPo and MOS want, then they have to go. Now.

Trestman is still the OC in Baltimore, is he not? Coordinators in the NFL make 800k + US. Even if we gave him both head coach and GM, he'd have to basically want to take a pay cut for the sake of running his own team again.

I usually only update the MBB list once a year before the season starts, but I never did update it this year. No other reason than that.

We seem to have a whole bunch of those guys with that kind of potential right now. If he can't beat out the competition and is stuck on the Moose and that means we have him for less time, then it means we've been playing better players. Not going to worry about losing a guy whose potential is a solid 4th line winger.

He probably gets one more game because it's an away game. Fire him after that blowout to try and get the fans excited for something before the next home game. Dont want to waste that opportunity for the fans to see the new coach lose on tv. However, either way, not sure the fans will be back. They won't get any more mulligans until they can put a winning team on the field.

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Put me in the camp that believes that keeping O’Shea at this point is going to be more detrimental than firing him. It is game 5 of an 18 game season, and look at how this team is playing. They come out flat and are tentative every game. In all of our losses this year, we have pretty much lost the game by half time. I have pretty much accepted that the season is done, but I can’t sit through another 13 games of the same. An interim coach may not mean any more wins, but it better put some fire back into the plays of some of the players. O’Shea is at that all too common point that we’ve seen many times in the past, especially with Tim Burke. He no longer has the answers and he no longer knows what to do to fix and change things. If firing him means hiring his mid-season replacement in the off season, that is a failing on management and shouldn’t be the reason we keep him.

I'll get back to you after I review the film.

I've got PowerPoint and Whiteboard presentations. Will that do?

How much power is he going to have in arbitration if he has limited NHL games?