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I highly doubt Hall will be back.
He's not a big fan of the situation here.
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So based in that you think unprotected potential FAs get a free pass and then you can protect the other players you want? Good luck rolling the dice on that bet.
Agreed, I've never bought into that logic. Imagine being in the player's shoes. Ottawa thinks enough of you to draft you without a contract and your current team doesn't think enough of you to protect you... which team is making you feel more wanted? Never mind the fact that Ottawa will have exclusive negotiation rights for two months to hash out a contract, and we saw how much that was worth in the Mike Reilly acquisition. The only situation where it would be really risky is when there is NFL interest in the player. If the player is likely to keep playing in the CFL, and Ottawa drafts him, they are almost certainly going to be able to get him under contract.
Exactly.
I'm not buying this logic either. At all.
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I think it's fair to say Trouba's goal was weak but the play he made to create the scoring opportunity was awesome.
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I like Boyd, he's a real solid deep threat guy. Fast as hell.
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Hey speaking of NFL shots, I still haven't heard anything about Aaron Rouse signing on in the "the league." Almost makes you wonder if somebody was being disingenuous when he left town.
Boy, I wonder who mentioned that as a possibility.
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Walters said yesterday (on the radio apparently, I didn't hear it) that we'll be adding 7 new players to the PR this week.
4 of them ...
RB Mario Fannin ... cut by Denver in May
DE JD Griggs ... cut by Jacksonville in August
DE/LB Taylor Reed ... cut by Dallas in August
CB Semaj Moody ... cut by Kansas City in August
Don't know the other 3 but Walters said a couple DBs, a couple DL, a new OL and a new RB so I'm assuming there's probably one more DL and one more DB?
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It made a lot of sense to pull Hall - he was garbage until BC let up... what didn't (and doesn't) make sense is that our two backups have zero talent. Why not see what Levi Brown can do... at least, it can tell us if Kyle Walters should be a part of our GM team.
Are you kidding me?
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Its pretty early but those six NIs seem reasonable - but I would consider protecting Renaud or Palardy if one of them has a really big season.
The only untouchable is Henoc, after that, really everyone can be replaced to some degree.
You want to protect Palardy who is no longer here?
He posted that on July 9th lol
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IF we ever get good again I just hope Swaggerville never comes back. Why are we suffering as a fanbase? Karma.
Yeah right. What a cop out.
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Some of us think Elliott was a good player, better than anything we currently have. Some of you disagree.
I think if we kept Elliott as our starter and cut Buck lose in the offseason we would be in better shape than we are now. Sadly, we will never know.
Seriously, if there were a pro-Elliott/anti-Elliott debate thread it would be 90 pages long, and would repeat itself over and over. Are we really going to do this again?
I certainly hope so.
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One other issue teams deal with in terms of their starting NIMPS is having a viable backup at the starters spot. If Muamba goes down the next guy in at that spot is Labbe. We all know the sentiment of him as a starting MAC. That has to be part of any plan when placing your starting NIPs. Do you have ta major fall off when you have to sub for him? Hence the challenge at DL, MAC, corner.
Very true. That is a big problem when a Canadian plays in a position that is usually American. Calgary is a good example. With Jon Cornish their starting tailback they have a backup Canadian tailback in Matt Walter who is able to step in & play as his backup. If Cornish went down & they didn't have Matt, an American would go in Cornish's place & another American would have to come out somewhere else. If Walter wasn't around, the Stamps would have a problem. In Winnipeg, with Muamba starting at MLB, Labbe is the backup. While the drop in play is significant, he is valuable as it means the ratio isn't messed with if Muamba goes down.
Calgary is not a good example at all because it proves the point I made, not the one you're trying to make. When Cornish missed a game with a thigh injury, it wasn't Walter that started for him. It was Jonathan Williams and they shuffled the rest of their lineup to accommodate it.
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Until we get a QB it doesn't matter how talented the rest of the roster is.
I don't blame Tim Burke for losing. I blame Tim Burke for losing in the most ridiculous, frustrating to watch, uninspiring, unintelligent and disheartening way possible on a regular basis.
Oh come on. Lapo was just as frustratingly conservative as Burke... our early 2011 season was more based on Lobo's performance as anything else.
The team's real problem is - no QB (thanks Buck), no development of the OL, random drafting, no depth (NI or import)
I don't know what you're talking about with no development of the OL ... we've had plenty of development. Greaves has developed into a starter, Swiston is right there if he could stay healthy and Pencer is making progress if Burke would ever let him work through the same struggles guys like Boatman and Morley have been allowed to work through. It's not a good OL by any means but we're well into the process of developing a handful of prospects.
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Until we get a QB it doesn't matter how talented the rest of the roster is.
I don't blame Tim Burke for losing. I blame Tim Burke for losing in the most ridiculous, frustrating to watch, uninspiring, unintelligent and disheartening way possible on a regular basis.
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Except when you do it properly, what you have is flexibility in your ratio so if Henoc gets hurt, you don't necessarily need a backup NI MLB, you just slot another NI in somewhere else and play an American at MLB.
For example, if Andrew Harris gets hurt in BC, they don't replace him with a NI RB, they simply adjust their ratio and dress another NI somewhere else. Same with Cornish in Calgary, Matt Walter is the game day backup but I doubt he'd be the weekly starter if Cornish got hurt. Same thing applies with Ted Laurent in Edmonton. Andre Durie in Toronto. etc etc
Agreed, except that the drop off in talent when 'you just slot another NI in somewhere else and play an American at MLB' can pretty steep. Not so much when you go from NI OG to NI OG, if you've been drafting and developing NI OGs.
I don't necessarily agree.
The drop off is usually going to be steep in any situation. If you're capable enough to start as a Canadian in this league, you rarely sit on the bench.
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Dude that's a JPEG
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I'm pretty sure Henoc would be considered among the better NIs in the league and he's young and getting better.
He's one of our sure fire starters.
Can we easily dismiss him and say buh bye. I don't think so.
We have to fight to keep him.
Fight to keep him, yes. But again, if he doesn't want to be here well we need to move on. We have to focus on the future. Would I like him to be in our future, yes. If Muamba's agent holds the Bombers up for ranson or as leverage to get more money off another team then let him go. We can easily replace a Canadian MLB with an American without missing a beat. On the OL, losing a Canadian like Labatte hurts a lot more than if we lost Muamba as the OL is considered a Canadian position & MLB an American one. You build your Canadian talent from the OL out...
See, this is a theory that will soon get debunked. There is some great Canadian talent out there in every position. It doesn't matter if it's o-line, receiver, linebacker. You build your Canadian talent by finding quality Canadians at any position.
Saying the MLB position is an American position is like saying the RB is an Amercian position. It's an old-fashioned way of thinking in my mind.
Now If you had said the word "primarily" I could have accepted that.
Well yes and no. It's great to have a young NI starter like Muamba at a position typically taken by an import. The problem arises when he gets hurt, or needs to be spelled. There is a SIGNIFICANT dropoff between him and his backup. You have no depth at that position, and the opposition takes great advantage of that. It's much easier to replace a NI OG with another in the hopper - the dropoff in talent is not nearly as bad.
Ideally, we should be drafting Offensive linemen, receivers and special teams/safeties/DTs. With some luck you find a couple decent NI OT and start 4 NI on the Oline. Add 2 receivers and you have only one spot to fill. It's not 'old fashioned' it's smart.
Except when you do it properly, what you have is flexibility in your ratio so if Henoc gets hurt, you don't necessarily need a backup NI MLB, you just slot another NI in somewhere else and play an American at MLB.
For example, if Andrew Harris gets hurt in BC, they don't replace him with a NI RB, they simply adjust their ratio and dress another NI somewhere else. Same with Cornish in Calgary, Matt Walter is the game day backup but I doubt he'd be the weekly starter if Cornish got hurt. Same thing applies with Ted Laurent in Edmonton. Andre Durie in Toronto. etc etc
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Good lord.
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Based on Burke's attitude to date, I'm pretty sure that's a typo.
99.9% confident he actually said "don't worry about the win"
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Well as indicated by the Sun article today a number of players, as expected are not going to resign now and will test the market. This really comes as no surprise, and you can't really blame them given the chaotic atmosphere they have been subjected to.
Typical Sun headline...hardly an exodus!....not so sure it is about the chaotic atmosphere...more like MONEY!
The lack of winning and negative atmosphere plays as large a roll in attracting and retaining players as money does .. what incentive does a top tier free agent have to stay in (or come to) Winnipeg when there's little chance of making the playoffs (and making the extra coin associated with a post season birth)? If two contracts are being considered, both offering similar money, what would entice someone to join an organization that's constantly under the microscope and in a state of continual change?
There are too many other factors that don't necessarily make these decisions that simple...one example...chance of making the team and being a starter...but in the end it still boils down to money for these guys. If a guy is sitting at home and not working and gets a chance to be on a team in turmoil or not and get a pay cheque...what do you think he would pick?
So we can sign the guys sitting on the couch with nothing better to do.
But can we sign the guys with other options?
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3 imports on the oline is just crazy enough to work and more evidence just how woeful the depth is.
Or more accurately, how stupid Tim Burke is.
The depth on this team isn't good, but there are 4 or 5 different ways to work the lineup better than putting in three import OL. What is his plan here? It can't be talent evaluation or MSW would be in to see what we have there and Pencer would continue to get a shot. But we can't actually be trying to win, right? And if we were trying to win, wouldn't we want to play a guy like Ian Wild, who has been a significant bright spot on the team? Sure doesn't seem worth starting an ineffective Will Ford at his expense.
The funniest part about this is that the run game will still suck.
That's what drives me nuts the most.
If we're evaluating, he's doing it wrong.
If we're trying to win, he's doing it wrong.
The only way he's right is if we're just throwing darts at a dartboard to fill roster spots because hey, nobody can be wrong that way.
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Didn't this whole Mack-Collaros rumour start at Riderfans? Was it ever reported anywhere else...?
Didn't Mike bring it up?
There was an ounce of truth to it but I don't think it was ever as close as the guy on Riderfans made it sound and I don't think the other players in the deal (Chiles, as an example) were accurate.
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Buck Pierce
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Oh and may I add that the man said they would spend less this year so they could make a big splash in free agency come 2014.
Did he actually say that? He knows we can cut anyone we want in the offseason, right? That statement makes no sense.
It makes quite a bit of sense actually, so I'm glad Walters/Mack put the team in this situation.
Use the leftover $$$ on guys like Etienne, Alex Hall, etc and give them bonus dollars to count against 2013 cap. Free up as much 2014 cash as possible for a guy like Collaros or some OL
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Highly doubt it but hey, who knows.
Matthews and Simpson done for the season
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Well alright then.
I was looking forward to seeing them back, especially Matthews. 5 more weeks left.
Thank god it's almost over.