Mark H.

facepalm statemetn of the year. Remember the Argos' '04 Grey Cup win? Allen was basically a game manager for them Umm he still won it, and at how old... Pretty impressive considering how banged up he got because of his playign style. 394 passing TDS and 93 rushing tds vs only 278 interceptions. 4 x Grey Cup Champ. 3 x Grey Cup MVP 1 time CFL MOP Yet he's a lucky, average, long long time QB according to some of you. Ridiculous. It's like you think to be a good QB you HAVE to be amazing at sitting in the pocket 90% of the time and have a completion percentage over 65. 11,920 career rushing yards. It's not a fluke he won 4 grey cups, it's harder to defend a guy that could do what he did as well as he did, then it is to defend an Anthony Calvillo. No different than saying a scrambling QB is better suited to the CFL. It comes down to game planning and having the right personnel surrounding him. With that many interceptions a QB should have over 500 touchdown passes. And no, I'm not going to google any of Calvillo's stats.

Doug Flutie is the greatest QB and player the CFL has ever had.............. not a pocket QB.Warren Moon, Jackie Parker, Damon Allen, Russ Jackson, I can go all day, were not pocket QB's. True. But more recently they have been pocket passers. My main point is that we shouldn't be expecting a QB to make up for a subpar OL, given how hard it has been to find a franchise QB. The reason that the sub-par O-line looks so sub-sub-par is that Willy is standing there like a statue in Central Park and the pigeons are converging upon him. The sub-par O-liine was no better last night until Marve showed up and invited the Stamps D to run a steeplechase event were he was the rabbit. This also opened the holes that Cotton ran through so convincingly by spreading out the Stamps front 7. 1. I suspect Bighill and co. will be prepared and quite happy to chase Marve next week. 2. Ray plays a style similar to Willy. All Willy needs is some play makers who can be the rabbits. 3. Considering the beating Reilly took, I guess Willy would be dead if he'd played for the Esks last year.

Minus Flutie I'd pick the pocket passers no questions asked. Can = opened

I just get annoyed when people imply Willy is a lesser QB because he's a pocket passer

facepalm statemetn of the year. Remember the Argos' '04 Grey Cup win? Allen was basically a game manager for them

Doug Flutie is the greatest QB and player the CFL has ever had.............. not a pocket QB.Warren Moon, Jackie Parker, Damon Allen, Russ Jackson, I can go all day, were not pocket QB's. True. But more recently they have been pocket passers. My main point is that we shouldn't be expecting a QB to make up for a subpar OL, given how hard it has been to find a franchise QB.

Calgary has clinched 1st place.

Well good for you...the whole point is that Calgary has been solid for longer than 2012 and we haven't...so what is your point again? You know who John Murphy used to work for...yes?

Difference between Collaros & Marve for me is that Zack has 2 good knees. Marve has had multiple ACL surgeries & because of that may not have a very long playing career. That's the point that scares me a bit but even with no knees he's a heck of a lot more mobile than Willy, who, but sorry, as far as I'm concerned is a much as fault for the hit's he's taken as our oline is. He is a pure pocket passer and doesn't (yet) have a quick enough release. I like Willy - but in an albeit very small sample size Marve is much better (and it's why I wanted us to get Collaros so bad in the off season, because of how he can move the pocket - though I had no idea what Willy would bring to the table when we first signed him) Collaros at the start of the season was being asked to stay in the pocket. He was not effective until the right adjustments were made. You can look at CFL or NFL...the best QB's are pocket passers. Ray, Calvillo, Brady, Manning, et. al. Sure there are some effective scramblers, but the QB's who have had the most long term success are the pocket passers. And really, if you look at the OL the Bombers put on the field this season, it was ridiculous that they didn't perform better with three Americans starting. If they were starting 4 or 5 Canadians, you could argue that the OL is a long term project. But the fact is they aren't, and they should be finding better OL down south.

It was beginning to look like they couldn't even be average...tonight they were at least that.

Say what you will about Marve and Cotton. Rookies mistakes aside, the OL kicked it up a notch tonight

Great thread boys...it made my day. Nice to read something rational and non-twitter for a change. But before we knock the offense too much, let's not forget Willy taking charge and engineering some of those game winning drives.

Some good reasoning here. But really, you're just proving that people biased about their passions. Your question isn't all that hard to answer. O'Shea didn't have a better option at running back...quite frankly he still doesn't.

Bowman might win, but not easily. Name recognition and incumbency are #1 in Municipal politics. Judy is not an incumbent but she is very well known. She wouldn't get my vote, but I my prediction is she'll win.

With an effective running game and more threats in the long to mid-range passing game...this would not have been possible. It's clear that teams are keying on sweeps, hitches, outlet throws et. al. Basically anything where the QB gets rid of the ball quickly. Early in the season plays like that were going for first downs and even touchdowns (eg. Denmark in BC). Those options have been taken away and the Bombers can't really respond with anything because they can't consistently give the QB enough time.

It's a curious thing. Its been said over and over that Etch wants a certain type of player on D. However...most of the starters on D were already here last year.

making things worse, is that his reaction is to step up into the pocket... except there's at least one OL being pushed straight backwards and there's no pocket to step into. The kid needs a break for his physical and mental health. Brohm hasn't had the crap beat out of him for the last 3 months so he's still willing to take the hit to make a play. He's a pocket passer, it's what he's been trained to do for most of his life. You could really say the same thing about rolling out - if the outside rush isn't being contained your chances of getting creamed are just as high. What exactly our OL has been trained to do...seems to be some great mystery

In garbage time. The entire 2nd half. He still looked good, was throwing the ball quickly and for the most part on target. Willy had a real bad problem with bracing for a hit rather than throwing quickly lately, he's shell shocked, for his own good he needs a break. He's bracing for the hits because he's playing with sprained shoulder.

I would add Denmark to the safe list.

When 8 rushers can't get to the QB...the DC can't possibly look good...

C'mon guys, consequences are the problem, they need consequences, there will be consequences

That's cool, you don't have to believe it. He also said he agrees with January, that the protections needs to be better.

Willy said publicly last week that 'he couldn't take anymore hits.' I highly doubt Willy said this. What's your source? He said it 1290 before the Ottawa game...I heard him.

Willy said publicly last week that 'he couldn't take anymore hits.'

How is it even possible...to blitz for more than half the game and generate hardly any pressure? The front 7 and OL looked dead out there today. Props to the secondary for giving a good effort.