Mark H.

My preferred Scotch for cheaper every day drinking is Grants Ale Cask Finish. It has a blue label (most Grants has a red label). There is also a green label that is a Sherry Cask finish. Both are very smooth scotches with great taste; not single malt but definitely very good. However, I have never found the green label in MB (only in Ontario) and most LC outlets that used to carry the blue label no longer do. When I asked about it, I discovered the employees have the same complaint. "Used to sell a fair amount of that stuff and pour it myself." Unquote. If anyone sees Grants with a blue label, please give me a shout. Meanwhile...my gears continue to grind...

There will be pros and cons no matter how you set up the justice system. It just bothers me that people who should be better informed are calling for an appeal. An appeal based on what?

Mark - sorry to hear about your friend. That's horrible. I just didn't see and still don't see how drunk driving is related to this topic. We could introduce one hundred red herrings about stupid decisions made by humans that led to the death of other humans and how those people were put in jail and are now out, but it doesn't really relate to this specific story. Anyway, once again, sorry to hear about your friend. I read the article, and I get the fact that this guy was found NCR. I also get that it's "naïve" of anyone to question the doctors making the decisionto let him go out unsupervised as of course they are the intelligent experts and we're all dumb so our opinions don't matter, and of course, we all lack "common sense", whatever the hell that is. We just have to keep our emotions in check here and see what happens. And that's the reality here, no one knows what is going to happen. Hopefully in 20 years, the name of Vince Li is forgotten, and his reintegration into society was successful. Maybe you guys will one day end up sitting beside him at a Jets game, or buying him a beer at a wedding social, and not even know it. We don't know if he will re-offend, but we do know what he is capable of if he does. So that's that. I'm amazed that you don't see the connection between those two scenarios. Peace - I have nothing further to add to this thread.

It appears that while he was "undiagnosed" he was put in a mental facility in 2005 in Toronto and given some meds, but he left as he refused treatment. http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/tormented_by_mental_illness-40769547.html So never mind no medication at all, he could have been taking the wrong medication for his condition.

I've contributed a lot to this thread, Mike, including posting a link to an article in the Sun that I disagreed with, but thought it relevant. Yeah I've added some offensive humour, but it's only in response to the extremely offensive bleeding heart nonsense I've seen posted here (drunk driving - shame on you guys for dragging that issue into this discussion), so now we're both offended, and I really didn't want to get into name-calling etc as that just takes away from the debate. I agree that this is an emotional issue and given we are human it's basically impossible to separate the emotion here, especially when given the gruesome nature of what happened. I blame Li for his actions (for going off his meds when he knew he was ill, at the very least) but I also blame the RCMP for just standing around for hours, just letting it happen. If this had happened a few hundred miles south Li would have waved his knife and head of the victim at the cops and gotten a double tap to the heart and one between the eyes and the cannibalism would have never happened. But it did, and they just sat there watching, and I've never really felt the RCMP apologized for that. Shame on us? Sorry, but drunk driving has killed more people and ruined more lives than the criminally insane ever will. I know someone who's dead because of an impaired driver - the driver got five years. In five years he'll be out of custody and not under any kind of supervision. Please read the article from the Free Press that was posted in this thread.

Excellent article. A must for anyone who wants to understand NCR. In reality, their reintegration programs are very successful.

My main concern rests with the Shelley Glovers of the world. Choosing Li as a talking point, as a case to be appealed. What has she ever said about the thousands of people who have been killed by impaired drivers? IMO, her motive is not justice. Her motive is get re-elected.

The truth is we're all Naive about this - but some of us have at least a little trust in the professionals while you clearly don't As for Selkirk, I live 20 minutes from town and go there once or twice a week. Most people are wondering why there's so much fuss about Lee when plenty of criminally insane individuals roam the city on a regular basis.

Because in both scenarios - a person is dead. Yet when someone has served their sentence for vehicular homicide they are released - and it's usually not all over the news and we don't have MP's calling for appeals. Can't have it both ways.

Generalization that is way off the mark. A lot of people who have been touched by mental health issues would take offense to this remark. That's why we, as a collective group of people trying to co-exist with one another, rely on professionals (i.e Mark H's point) in these chosen vocations to apply their education, expertise, experiences and emotional intelligence to the most relevant information/evidence available. Usually no one case is identical to the other that warrants a particular decision for that situation. Yes, sometimes they get it right and sometimes they don't. That's true for any vocation. It's called the complexity of life. Quite frankly I don't care if those people are offended. I see no reason to be PC about it. If you're crazy you're crazy why tip toe around it? Like I said I am all for mental health awareness and programs to help people and ending the nonsense that some problems you just have to suck up and deal with it... but once you cross the line from simply crazy to crazed killer I'm sorry but it's game over and I want that person out of society. Yeah well, drunk people have also been known to do some crazy things, especially while behind the steering wheel. but if you commit a crime while drunk you don't get to use the techinicality that you weren't in your right state of mind, you get held responsible for your actions. Drunkeness can reduce a murder charge to manslaughter, which greatly shortens the sentence. When said person is released - there is no way to know if they'll reoffend or not.

Or people on hallucinogenic drugs (for example). I don't even want to think of the crazy people (not mentally crazy, but insane/murderous etc) that have gotten released once they serve his time. I highly, HIGHLY doubt doctors (you know, medically trained professionals....) would release he was at even a low risk to reoffend. Can you be absolutely sure? You can't. Same thing with someone who was found guilty of impaired driving - you can't be sure they won't re-offend. Yet many are not in any kind of custody - what if they 'go off the rails' and kill someone?

Generalization that is way off the mark. A lot of people who have been touched by mental health issues would take offense to this remark. That's why we, as a collective group of people trying to co-exist with one another, rely on professionals (i.e Mark H's point) in these chosen vocations to apply their education, expertise, experiences and emotional intelligence to the most relevant information/evidence available. Usually no one case is identical to the other that warrants a particular decision for that situation. Yes, sometimes they get it right and sometimes they don't. That's true for any vocation. It's called the complexity of life. Quite frankly I don't care if those people are offended. I see no reason to be PC about it. If you're crazy you're crazy why tip toe around it? Like I said I am all for mental health awareness and programs to help people and ending the nonsense that some problems you just have to suck up and deal with it... but once you cross the line from simply crazy to crazed killer I'm sorry but it's game over and I want that person out of society. Yeah well, drunk people have also been known to do some crazy things, especially while behind the steering wheel.

You can't find someone guilty if you can't prove intent - that's not unique to Canada.

Proving you know absolutely nothing about their training.

Great stuff. I remember going **** when rushers reached the second level so often last year. I assumed it was scheme related but was never exactly sure. I think the answer your question depends on whether or not they have a solid nose tackle coming out of TC.

I dare say Bluto does not share your opinion of his performance in Toronto.

Do you guys having any training in psychiatric evaluation? I don't either

LOL - in the dictionary under "Hutterite" your profile picture could be used. Only if they want a modern version I got stuck one time and Mark H refused to help pull me out......mighty neighbourly.... It was the sabbath - only Corb Lund works on that day

LOL - in the dictionary under "Hutterite" your profile picture could be used. Only if they want a modern version

@laudedlad

Yep. And he was exactly the same in Toronto - that is one signing that never made even a shred of sense.

IMO - the defensemen are the best overall group Canada has ever had. Babcock can consistently use all 6 D men and know they'll effective. BY contrast - Orpik was logging big minutes for the U.S.

Looking forward to more OL analysis - an area of great interest to me - but I've always been just a casual observer. Unless you count pick up games where we decided counting steamboats was boring.

Yes, you can cherry pick that trade because it was a good one. Garrick Jones and their second or third rounder were also involved in that trade. Now, if we were to discuss the Spurgeon Wynn trade...

A Canadian Running Back IMO, there are several ways to make it work. The obvious one would be a capable Canadian backup, but that seems unlikely Or... His backup could be an American who dresses as a DI and returns punts / kicks. If the NI gets injured or needs a breather, one possibility would be a serviceable Canadian receiver who plays special teams and could replace an American receiver if need be. Then the American RB can play.