Mark H.

Right, thanks for the tip.

First someone has to stuff the Riders' running game. Sheets and their OL are keeping the D off the field right now. I dare say the key to beating that team is still forcing Durant to throw.

Those running plays in the second half were mostly due to our DL getting manhandled at the point of attack. Any team that relies on their DBs to stop the run or get pressure on the QB is in pretty serious trouble, no matter how bloody big they are.

I could tell you...but then I'd have to kill you...promptly

You think he'd be calling them immature if they were 3 - 1? Perhaps he needs to invest in a book cliches...

Yep, but at least someone other than me is contacting the company. At this point they're the only organization that has even attempted to help...I've e-mailed several.

That's the plan...I've also sent strongly worded e-mails and letters. Ironically for them, they've only got my school extension number. They won't even get my voice mail if they try calling over the summer. That and a bit of annoyance from the BBB might be enough to shut them up.

Ha...well done KBF

Very funny.

No retrieval needed....I just don't intend to pay any more. Hopefully a little heat from various places will result in them backing off. From what I've read on line about these crooks, if someone keeps paying, they keep sending, inventing various excuses and phantom orders.

It's because the RCMP handle it federally...but so far I've only received an automated e-mail response from them.

Manitoba Consumer protection tells me this case is outside of their jurisdiction. Not so much because it's American, but because the product was purchased for a school. They can only help individuals who have purchased products.

They tell me they've contacted the business...and they have until July 29 to respond...so we'll see. I'll keep y'all posted about it...should be a good learning experience. Maybe if they're also contacted by consumer protection from Canada, they'll back off.

Watch the replays of the sacks. He actually has time to throw on most of them. On most of the blitzes his eyes are 15 - 20 yards down field instead looking for a quick outlet. To me it looks like teams go into the first half expecting the Bombers have made adjustments for the blitz. When they discover they haven't, they simply pin their ears back and blitz all out in the second half.

Precisely

Wots duh second and turd?

You...shall not...PASS!

I didn't think run-blocking was all that great last season...teams were able to stop the run in situations where we needed it. That's why we had so much trouble closing games.

There's a tracking number on the the invoice, yes...

I don't intend to pay another penny. I don't think there's really anything they can do, besides harass me over the phone. I've contacted MTS about blocking their number. I've contacted consumer protection...I'll see what they do.

Thanks guys, I will try your suggestions. I could afford to pay the bill, trouble is I'm not sure I would be finished with them. They would just dream up some other invoice to stick me with.

Did that...they have scammed people for 1000's of dollars...from what I've gathered. Hopefully they won't be flying under the radar too much longer. Their website does not list any employees...not even a president...nor is there ever a salesperson on the invoice.

Yep, with one of their apple pies, works every time.

Has anyone else had any similar experience? Any advice? This is pretty much ruining my summer.

Last fall, I received a call from a company called Kleritec. They were selling anti-microbial skin wipes; if I wasn't satisfied I could return them. Also, a bottle of blood stain remover would be free. All good stuff to have in the Gym, so I gave them our school's mailing address...that's when the headaches started! They sent 4 boxes of wipes, 100 per box, and an invoice for $246! The same stuff and similar products is selling on EBAY for less than $20 a box, with free shipping. So I called them up and said I wanted a shipping tag to return the product. We can't possibly spend that kind of money on skin wipes. They said the shipping would cost $34. If I bought one box for $46 they would donate the other three to school. I ageed, they sent an invoice and started calling me, asking for payment via credit card. No bloody way were they getting a credit card number from me...I paid the bill via money order. All done, right? NOPE. At the end of June I got another call from them. There were two bottles of disinfectant spray that were missing my previous order, which were also supposed to be 'free.' They would send an invoice, but that would be to make up the difference on the skin wipes. Wait a minute...didn't we agree to $46? Wasn't I already invoiced for that amount? And I never ordered any disinfectant spray. "Oh no, there's been a misunderstanding, they can't possibly sell me 4 boxes of skin wipes for $46." Oh no? But you did, and I paid. I made it clear that I DID NOT want the spray, that I would send it back if they sent it to the school. "Why would you do that? It's free...give it to your athletes." So...I received two bottles of disinfectant spray invoice for $181. Yup, they used the 'free' disinfectant spray to indirectly bill me for the skin wipes. So, today I blew 20 bucks and sent the disinfectant and the blood stain remover back to them via UPS. I sent them a complaint e-mail (enough crap over the phone where nothing is on record) I filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau, they said their Los Angeles branch would process the claim and I would hear from them. I have no idea what's going to happen next...