Mark H.

4.8 million down the drain? Or a sound investment?

Culture barrier, language barrier - new immigrants trying to find their way.  Try to picture yourself in Syria or Palestine right now...
 
My aunt used to manage an immigrant shelter in Winnipeg - it closed a few years ago. She'd like to give you a good piece of her mind right now...

Culture barrier, language barrier - new immigrants trying to find their way.  Try to picture yourself in Syria or Palestine right now...
 
My aunt used to manage an immigrant shelter in Winnipeg - it closed a few years ago. She'd like to give you a good piece of her mind right now...

Culture barrier, language barrier - new immigrants trying to find their way.  Try to picture yourself in Syria or Palestine right now...
 
My aunt used to manage an immigrant shelter in Winnipeg - it closed a few years ago. She'd like to give you a good piece of her mind right now...

I have a problem with who's fighting them - there's no real desire to fix the problems

You're still just scraping snow off the top of the mountain. The root of the problem are all the weapons and armoured vehicles being sold to wealthy countries in the Middle East. And North American support for governments who suppress minorities.

You're still just scraping snow off the top of the mountain. The root of the problem are all the weapons and armoured vehicles being sold to wealthy countries in the Middle East. And North American support for governments who suppress minorities.

$11 per hour with meals included is decent pay. It may also be full room and board - we don't have that info

#dougberry

The process will take two months longer than originally stated - I'm feeling snug, secure, warm and fuzzy.

Hmmm sounds like good pickup for Christmas

If you really wanted to get someone into Canada why would you chose to do it through a long and haphazard refugee process when foreigners are entering Canada everyday through other channels?
- we have tens of thousands of foreign students, many from the middle east. Ed Fast instituted a program last year to double that number (that's right, the Conservatives agreed that this was a worthwhile goal)
- we invite thousands of foreign workers every year to fill temporary jobs in Canada
- we have a regular immigrant program - the Conservative planned to bring in 285,000 this year.
- last year 5212 tourist entered Canada from countries other than the US
- 23,218 Iraqi refugees have already been settled in Canada (Yup - once again the conservatives did this and I didn't hear a single squawk from anyone while that was going on)
- the Conservative government had agreed to take on 10,000 Syrian refugees - apparently no one thought that terrorists would arrive in the first 10,000
 

If you really wanted to get someone into Canada why would you chose to do it through a long and haphazard refugee process when foreigners are entering Canada everyday through other channels?
- we have tens of thousands of foreign students, many from the middle east. Ed Fast instituted a program last year to double that number (that's right, the Conservatives agreed that this was a worthwhile goal)
- we invite thousands of foreign workers every year to fill temporary jobs in Canada
- we have a regular immigrant program - the Conservative planned to bring in 285,000 this year.
- last year 5212 tourist entered Canada from countries other than the US
- 23,218 Iraqi refugees have already been settled in Canada (Yup - once again the conservatives did this and I didn't hear a single squawk from anyone while that was going on)
- the Conservative government had agreed to take on 10,000 Syrian refugees - apparently no one thought that terrorists would arrive in the first 10,000
 

If you really wanted to get someone into Canada why would you chose to do it through a long and haphazard refugee process when foreigners are entering Canada everyday through other channels?
- we have tens of thousands of foreign students, many from the middle east. Ed Fast instituted a program last year to double that number (that's right, the Conservatives agreed that this was a worthwhile goal)
- we invite thousands of foreign workers every year to fill temporary jobs in Canada
- we have a regular immigrant program - the Conservative planned to bring in 285,000 this year.
- last year 5212 tourist entered Canada from countries other than the US
- 23,218 Iraqi refugees have already been settled in Canada (Yup - once again the conservatives did this and I didn't hear a single squawk from anyone while that was going on)
- the Conservative government had agreed to take on 10,000 Syrian refugees - apparently no one thought that terrorists would arrive in the first 10,000
 

If you really wanted to get someone into Canada why would you chose to do it through a long and haphazard refugee process when foreigners are entering Canada everyday through other channels?
- we have tens of thousands of foreign students, many from the middle east. Ed Fast instituted a program last year to double that number (that's right, the Conservatives agreed that this was a worthwhile goal)
- we invite thousands of foreign workers every year to fill temporary jobs in Canada
- we have a regular immigrant program - the Conservative planned to bring in 285,000 this year.
- last year 5212 tourist entered Canada from countries other than the US
- 23,218 Iraqi refugees have already been settled in Canada (Yup - once again the conservatives did this and I didn't hear a single squawk from anyone while that was going on)
- the Conservative government had agreed to take on 10,000 Syrian refugees - apparently no one thought that terrorists would arrive in the first 10,000
 

If you really wanted to get someone into Canada why would you chose to do it through a long and haphazard refugee process when foreigners are entering Canada everyday through other channels?
- we have tens of thousands of foreign students, many from the middle east. Ed Fast instituted a program last year to double that number (that's right, the Conservatives agreed that this was a worthwhile goal)
- we invite thousands of foreign workers every year to fill temporary jobs in Canada
- we have a regular immigrant program - the Conservative planned to bring in 285,000 this year.
- last year 5212 tourist entered Canada from countries other than the US
- 23,218 Iraqi refugees have already been settled in Canada (Yup - once again the conservatives did this and I didn't hear a single squawk from anyone while that was going on)
- the Conservative government had agreed to take on 10,000 Syrian refugees - apparently no one thought that terrorists would arrive in the first 10,000
 

A fellow north of Teulon makes some decent Vodka.
 
The man likes his produce fresh - and is willing to pay by the gallon.

I prefer my whiskey on the rocks. Rye however, I prefer with coke or yukon jack (now there's a mix that sneaks up on you).  If I'm going to add mix to an expensive whiskey, I really see no point in drinking it.

I'm torn between that and thinking 'what if my family were on the run and had no where to go'?
 
I think that no matter which side we find ourselves on i,n this thread, we're all guilty of too much black and white either/or thinking.  
 
There will be not be a perfect solution. Screen refugees thoroughly and you're still taking a risk. Which is precisely what ISIS wants you to be afraid of.  
 
Or, shut out all the refugees and try to reconcile your conscience to their suffering by telling ourselves that 'at least our families are alive.'
 
There no easy answers, but one thing is certain: the truth, as always, is somewhere in the murky middle.

I'm torn between that and thinking 'what if my family were on the run and had no where to go'?
 
I think that no matter which side we find ourselves on i,n this thread, we're all guilty of too much black and white either/or thinking.  
 
There will be not be a perfect solution. Screen refugees thoroughly and you're still taking a risk. Which is precisely what ISIS wants you to be afraid of.  
 
Or, shut out all the refugees and try to reconcile your conscience to their suffering by telling ourselves that 'at least our families are alive.'
 
There no easy answers, but one thing is certain: the truth, as always, is somewhere in the murky middle.

I'm torn between that and thinking 'what if my family were on the run and had no where to go'?
 
I think that no matter which side we find ourselves on i,n this thread, we're all guilty of too much black and white either/or thinking.  
 
There will be not be a perfect solution. Screen refugees thoroughly and you're still taking a risk. Which is precisely what ISIS wants you to be afraid of.  
 
Or, shut out all the refugees and try to reconcile your conscience to their suffering by telling ourselves that 'at least our families are alive.'
 
There no easy answers, but one thing is certain: the truth, as always, is somewhere in the murky middle.

I'm torn between that and thinking 'what if my family were on the run and had no where to go'?
 
I think that no matter which side we find ourselves on i,n this thread, we're all guilty of too much black and white either/or thinking.  
 
There will be not be a perfect solution. Screen refugees thoroughly and you're still taking a risk. Which is precisely what ISIS wants you to be afraid of.  
 
Or, shut out all the refugees and try to reconcile your conscience to their suffering by telling ourselves that 'at least our families are alive.'
 
There no easy answers, but one thing is certain: the truth, as always, is somewhere in the murky middle.

1. The person blew him/her self up - but the passport was still in good condition
 
2. The desire of US governors to ban refugees - is also politically motivated
3. The refugees who will come to Canada have been in UN refugee camps for a few years
4. How many countries are taking in refugees? I would counter that with some other questions - which are merely food for thought
a) How many countries took in Jewish refugees during the Holocaust?  Very few
 
b ) Did people / countries take a risk when they helped Jewish refugees? Absolutely
c) Was it a greater risk than taking in the current refugees?  It's hard to argue otherwise
 

1. The person blew him/her self up - but the passport was still in good condition
 
2. The desire of US governors to ban refugees - is also politically motivated
3. The refugees who will come to Canada have been in UN refugee camps for a few years
4. How many countries are taking in refugees? I would counter that with some other questions - which are merely food for thought
a) How many countries took in Jewish refugees during the Holocaust?  Very few
 
b ) Did people / countries take a risk when they helped Jewish refugees? Absolutely
c) Was it a greater risk than taking in the current refugees?  It's hard to argue otherwise