TBURGESS

Matt and Milt's perspective: http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/video/huddle-up-are-the-riders-grey-cup-contenders%7E1201495

All the whining about 3 plays! 3 play stoppages don't make or break a game. No one "faked an injury to win" that game. The game was won or lost in the first quarter when they owned our sorry asses and went up 24-3.

My first choice would be Grymes.

Just read Doug Browns article. He spends the first half saying Yah it's done and his coaches have "lightly" suggested doing it. The rest of the article is saying that the Riders are despicable for doing it so often (3 times by his count). As for contacting the league earlier in this thread... No reason for Jones to contact the league. The rule is clear, 3 plays for an injury. O'Shea contacted the league to see if his understanding that you could have a sleeper play if you didn't throw it, is because the rule isn't clear and it hadn't been done in my living memory.

Need to free up a PR spot for Roc?

Walker off the 1 game, Roc to the PR?

First thing that's different is we don't have to take the crowd out of the game so they don't feed on the emotion. Instead, they will have to take the crowd out of the game. That could be enough to turn the tide right there.

Try the long banned sleeper play on for size. O'Shea found a loophole in the rules and used it, much the same as the injury loophole. Everyone around here, me included, loved that he found a way around the rules. I wasn't on the Lion Backers site at the time, but I'll bet they weren't giving O'Shea any slaps on the back for it. In fact, I bet they were pissed. I see the injury plays much the same way. A way around the rules as they exist. It's a very old, almost forgotten, solution, having been used years ago even by us.

They also beat BC 3-3

The gist of this thread seems to be Carter is an idiot so he's either lying or he deserved to be spit on. SMH

There was every reason to throw that flag. The guy was holding. That's the only reason to throw a flag.

We are the only team who is behind them in points against. Assuming that Calgary doesn't lay 54 points on Edmonton this week, we'll still be the only team behind Hamilton at the end of this week, and most teams will be at the 10 game mark.

Checking the stats this morning and we've now given up more points than Hamilton for last in the league.

Take away the fast start? That's the level of analysis around here? Take away their first 24 points and we win. Sure, but... you can't just take away the best plays that the other team makes to make us feel better.

What are you on about this time? Nothing to do with devil's advocate. I think some of them were fake injuries, but make no mistake, there's no way for you or I or the refs to tell for sure, and that's what it takes to call penalties. I remember the Bombers doing the same thing back in the old days when we won all the time. Maybe that was before your time. You've hated Jones at least from the time he got the Riders job, but his team beat us this afternoon fair and square. They came out and ran us out of their park from the start of the game until the half. It could have been a bigger score if 'Smiley Dumbass' hadn't dropped a pass he had in both hands in the end zone or if Glenn had hit on a couple more deep balls where they were behind us.

I forgot how whiny folks get around here when we lose. Can't complain about the refs in this one, they only gave us 4 for 40 while giving the Riders 9-75. Have to complain about something else. If O'Shea had come up with the 'fake' (In quotes because I don't know for certain if they were fake or not) injuries to slow down the other team, you guys would be going on and on about how smart he was to use the rules in our favour.

How does anyone expect the refs to 'crack down' on injuries or cramps? The player is taken off the field for 3 plays. Want it changed so they have to stay off longer for every injury or just the one's that may be fake when teams are playing us? FTR: I'd rather not lose Loffler for more than 3 plays when he got injured and I don't want the refs using their digression when deciding if an injury is real or not.

The 'fake' injury is smart. We used it in high school for dogs sake. Slowed us down and stopped us from running our quick offense. Nothing the matter with it and there's nothing that the refs can do about it. It's not like they can ignore injuries on the field.

Why oh why did I pick Montreal this week? They almost look Hamilton bad.

I partied with Riders fans at a bunch of Grey Cups. Most of them are just good folks who love their team. Not much different than most of the CFL fans.

FTR... NO, this isn't one of my relatives!

My wife and I were there and we didn't need any stinking shirt either. One of my last games before we moved to Vancouver. At least we got to see the 1990 Grey Cup live.

Denmark moved to Dressler's spot when Dressler got injured.

Denmark took Dressler's spot. If Dressler is healthy, it makes sense to just make one change and give him his spot back.

Well at least you're think now. Does that make you a bad fan?