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Lots of turning points in the game. BC's roughing the kicker penalty could have been the turning point. Their stupid taunting penalty when Adams dropped a pass could have been a turning point. Their big drive at the end of the first half might have been a turning point. The deep ball to JFG might have been one and the huge PI call too. The last turning point was the most important though. Trying a 61 yard FG.

The ball wasn't caught, it was already past the receiver when Loffler laid him out. In the old days, it's a great hit and my section is chanting 'bring out the meat wagon and get this game going'. Nowadays, it's a dangerous hit and will be flagged every single time.

3 Stars: Nichols - Best game as a Bomber. Looked like an elite QB out there today. Smith - Best game as a Bomber. Sweet redemption after a so so year. Randle - Pick and some great coverage. HH: Harris - Was great when we used him. Should have used him more often. BTW: The Loffler penalty will be called every time it happens. It isn't the 70's any more.

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Unless Edmonton gets a lot in return, it makes no sense for them to trade Franklin. He knows their system, he's the best backup QB they are likely to get, not expensive and he has a huge upside.

With east vs west, the coach of the year finalists make sense. If it were 1 division, not so much. Looks like Medlock is a lock.

JFG finally gets a start. It's about 6 games too late, but at least O'Shea is finally making the change.

He's got more than 1 good game in the CFL. In 2015, he threw for 3 TD's against us in only 8 attempts. He got a 335 yard game against the Argos too.

I'm no Vanilla PLAP fan, but you have to admit that he's way better than our last few OC's. The consistency argument, when we are winning, actually makes sense. I think we'll have the same coaching staff next year unless PLAP gets a HC gig and I don't see that happening.

I'd certainly be interested in Franklin, more than Durant, Glenn or Hank for what it's worth. He's played some very good football in his limited reps. He's young. Strong. Throws a great ball. Tons of upside IMO. Not sure that Nichols would like to see him in Winnipeg though, as he already took Nichols backup job away from him in Edmonton.

Point taken. 7 missed converts and the fact that Medlock also punts gives him an advantage over Paredes. Rainey's the best returner in the league IMO, so it's big returns vs great consistency. Voters might go with the more exciting guy.

With Rainey and Paredes, Medlock might not even make it out of the west, but if he does, I can't see anyone from the east beating him.

I agree with allowing a QB to work his way out of a funk, but that time had come and gone by the beginning of the 4th. A change may have sparked the offense and certainly would have shown the rest of the team that there are consequences for bad play and that means watching from the sidelines.

Tate's starting, so the Als have a slightly better shot.

Kick out of bounds was the wrong call because Bowman obviously touched the ball. Penalizing Reinbold was the right call, because he was going off on a ref and wouldn't stop.

I've got the Bombers in 2nd followed by BC and Edmonton, but it's pretty darn even among them. The next 2 weeks will be very interesting.

It's the GM's job to find talent, not DD's. No adversity?

Fun game to watch. Amazing how many big plays and yardage considering the weather. Hamilton had 9 lives. Turnovers cost Ottawa big time. The bad snap on the one was a pure giveaway. The forced fumble in OT, was a great takeaway.

Yup. I should have typed DD instead of BLM. Thanks for pointing it out. I fixed it in the original post.

I bring up the roster and injuries because folks were saying that Dickenson was handed a championship team and didn't have any adversity. He was handed a very good team with a bunch of big time holes to fill. Was saddled with some big injuries and still managed more wins than any other rookie HC ever in the CFL, tied for the 2nd most wins ever and even got more wins than Huffer got last year. Dickenson had a young MLB (Singleton) who was given enough playing time to push the vet MLB (Reed) out. Dickenson first started Singleton instead of Reed, then cut Reed. Sounds like a coach who doesn't stick with the vet too long. O-Line. Dickenson's O line has been in a consistent state of flux both as an OC and a HC. He still gets them to provide great protection and create holes for the RB's even when he's had to start DL on the OL. It's in least in part due to the way he designs and runs his offence, so yah, I think he'd have figured a way to make our O line look better. Doing things differently is exactly why I think that Dickenson would have done better. No one is suggesting that Dickenson stepped into as bad a situation as O'Shea did. They are suggesting that Dickenson wouldn't have done any better with the situation than O'Shea did. You call it trolling to suggest that Dickenson would have done better.

I'm not ignoring your premise. I don't agree with it. MOS made a ton of errors in his first 2 years. Better talent would have netted more wins, but I don't think he got the most out of the talent he had or that he made the right decisions on players, coordinators or in-game. His learning curve was huge and rocky. DD's has been smaller and smooth. No question that DD would have won less often with an inferior team, but that's not what we've been talking about. The theory being suggested is that he'd done as badly as O'Shea under the same circumstances. I've given a bunch of reasons why I don't buy it. As for Milanovich... yup he got stupid this year. Chose Ray. Chose Willy. Chose to cut his top 3 receivers mid-season. Likely going to be fired.

Because anyone can say they want two of the best available coordinators, even me, and that certainly doesn't make me HC material. Unless you can deliver them, it doesn't mean squat. O'Shea ultimately failed at bringing in good coordinators, not once, not twice, but all of them. His second go round was better but Hall was out of the CFL as a DC if we didn't hire him and PLAP was a year too late. Handed a good team, but he had to replace a ton of talent... Jeff Fuller, Jon Cornish, Eric Rogers, Keon Raymond, Juwan Simpson and Rich Stubler just to name a few. As outlined before he's had to make a bunch of in season changes and he's kept on winning. That's facing and beating adversity. Dickenson's got the most wins for a rookie HC. 1 more and he ties for 2nd place in most wins in a season with Buono, Matthews, Trestman and Hufnagel. Win out and he's got the best record ever in the CFL. That's phenomenal even if he wasn't a rookie HC. Dickenson didn't hire poor coordinators. O'Shea did. The Canadian depth wasn't any good and O'Shea still went with 8 starting NI's, which isn't any kind of solution. I don't know where your getting that I'm trying to say that anything DD has done this year proves that MOS was **** in his first year. Yes, O'Shea was bad in 2014, but that's on him, nothing to do with what DD is doing this year. I don't agree that Dickenson would be as bad as O'Shea was in 2014 under the same circumstances and I gave a bunch of examples of why. Having a great GM certainly helped Dickenson. Probably why it's bad to hire a rookie GM and a rookie HC (& CEO) at the same time. That's no excuse for O'Shea's mistakes. A better excuse is that his only previous coaching experience was 4 years as a STC where as Dickenson had 7 years of increasing responsibility (RBC, QBC, OC).

And, he couldn't deliver either of them.

If I'm getting this right, you're saying if something way worse than what happened to O'Shea in 2014 happened to Dickenson, then he would look just like O'Shea did in 2014. I guess the conjecture stuff isn't as easy as you thought it would be.

So you want the assumption to be that Dickenson would have made all the same decisions as O'Shea did. He'd have the exact same roster. He'd stick with vets who weren't playing well too long. He'd start 8 NI's even tho he didn't have 8 viable NI starters. He'd keep the O line the same. He'd not try 3 INT's, He'd hire horrible coordinators. He wouldn't realize they were bad until way after the common fan did. He'd make excuses for players. Yup... under the assumption that Dickenson wouldn't have made any different decisions he wouldn't make any difference, but that's not reasonable to assume.