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I'd certainly bring in Cato. He's got some CFL experience and didn't look out of place IMO.

The BC Lions Football Club announced this afternoon that they have traded the negotiation rights to international quarterback Vernon Adams to the Montreal Alouettes in exchange for Montreal’s first round selection in the 2017 CFL Draft. “Both sides negotiated in good faith, but in the end it became clear that we weren’t going to be able to meet Vernon’s expectations as they relate to length of contract and remuneration,” said Wally Buono. “We’ve got very good depth at the quarterback position so being able to turn this asset into a first-round pick in next year’s CFL Draft is a win for the Lions.” The Lions open mini-camp in Kamloops Thursday, May 26th.

I don't know why people are upset or even surprised. Everyone knew that Denmark was going to have to take a significant pay cut to keep playing. If he was willing to do that with us, everyone would be rightly saying what a great job Walters did. The Riders made the best offer or else Denmark would have signed elsewhere. That contract is what he was worth on the open market.

Not likely. Bucknor's liable to be the 8th starting Canuck and Hurl will get a lot of reps again this year IMO.

Love the home uniform. Don't like the blue shoulders on the away one, but at least they aren't gold lame dancing togs or pigeon poop.

Gotta say that I haven't been following the draft this year. I'll take a look at who we pick after we pick them. I'd give up 9 & 19 for #1.

Who do you think has the inside track at safety then?

Is our secondary really that good? Adams is a shutdown corner and Randle was a shutdown corner before his injury, so assuming he's OK that's 2 very high level players. Johnson is loved by some around here but I don't put him in the top level category. We don't know yet if Randle will be a corner this year or if we need to keep a NI on the field which basically means Bucknor who isn't great by any stretch of the imagination. We don't know who the safety will be, but it looks like Macho Harris has the inside track and he's never going to even be average. We have a free DB spot that Washington played for most of last year... Randle or Adams means finding a new CB or Bucknor gets to play. A newbie may be anywhere from terrible to great.

Don't make statements that I didn't make then add my name to them, then see if I'll complain then say 'just joking' then call it satire. That's douch-bagery. Just saying...

Don't stick my name on your jokes and we'll get along better.

Nope. I didn't say that and it's not accurate.

The first half of our season is way tougher than the second half. I could easily see O'Shea getting fired mid season and PLAP taking over. He'd look better based on the schedule without making many changes.

Excellent read! Thanks for posting it. Any idea who wrote it?

Folks around here don't like his opinion, but Brown's not wrong. New systems and players take time to gel, protecting the QB is job #1 and we have a very tough start to the season. Most of the goodwill the Bombers had has been used up over the last 4 years out of the playoffs so they won't get much support if they can't put some W's on the board early on.

Last time we hired a HC with good experience (IE Winning) was Richie back in '99 worked out pretty well IIRC. I can't remember the last time we hired an experienced GM, but Walters, Mack, Bauer and Reinbold certainly weren't so it's been a long time.

Mike has an opinion that he refuses to share, yet he calls me out on my opinion. Like most folks around here, I watched the games and formed my opinions based on what I saw. I didn't see a (m)any big plays by Waggoner. In fact he was pretty much invisible most of the time. I looked up his stats to see if anything stood out to change my opinion. Nothing did. 18 Games, 7 tackles. Nothing to see there. I stated my opinion in my very first post with Waggoner's name in it in this thread... "First Round Misses: Maybe Waggoner, but that's still TBD.". Strong opinion? Nope. Solid special teams player? Based on what? Lining up in a position that isn't a gunner? Simply being on the field? Your own observations that don't match mine? FUUUUUCK is right.

As you know Justin Medlock isn't supposed to make tackles, so what's the point your trying to make? I did read your post. I'm not backpedaling. I didn't say you shared an opinion on him. I asked how you got your opinion. If you're not going to even bother to read my posts then what's the point of replying to them?

I disagree with calling him a Strong Special Team player. How on earth do you call that a strong opinion? It's not like I called him garbage or said he wasn't doing his job or even said that he was a bad 2nd overall pick. Those would strong opinions. BTW: How did you base your opinion on him?

That's a true statement, how do you know it applies to Waggoner?

Actually it is what I said and what I meant. The number of tackles on special teams means something whether anyone wants to admit it or not. Waggoner showed up about half a dozen to a dozen times on the TSN game feeds last year and most of those were his tackles. I was wondering where he was for much of the season. You can infer his assignment from where he lines up but unless you have access to the wide angle 'tape', can follow Waggoner down the field on every play, and cross reference that to his assignment, you have little to no idea if he's playing well or badly or if he's doing what they expect of him. I doubt anyone on these forums has done that, so how do you form an opinion of his play? His only stat is 7 tackles or about 1 tackle a month. That's all we have IMO.

I never said or implied that every guy on special teams coverage is assigned the same job. I never said or implied that tackle stats are the one and only way to determine worth. Both are bogus arguments. Coaches give players jobs they can handle. In Hurls case, that's to simply fill a hole. In Waggoners case it's a 'position that isn't primarily responsible for tackling the ball carrier' (Your words, not mine). That's the connection I was trying to make, but was lost in translation.

Recap: The original poster called him a 'Solid Special Teamer'. I disagreed with that statement and provided tackle stats to back up my opinion. I was told that the stats were wrong on the CFL site (Which is possible) and that Waggoner had played every game. That made Waggoners stats even worse IMO. You jumped in and said his job wasn't to make tackles, but to take up the man opposite him, which I called the Hurl defence. That's not going in circles complaining. I never called him total garbage. I simply said that he wasn't a 'Solid Special Teamer'. Way to overreach. The whole argument boils down to the word "Solid". Folks around here think it means "Average". I think it means more.

The Hurl defense. He's filling a hole, he's not supposed to make tackles, but he's really good even tho the stats don't show it.

That's not what I'm saying at all. I don't think he's a bust or a star. If he played all 18 games and only had 7 SP tackles, then he's not a solid special teamer. It's that simple.

That would be worse for him because he'd have played 11 games without a single stat.