TBURGESS

We'll eventually get to herd immunity, but 70% if people get vaccinated then almost a third of the population is still unvaccinated. That's more than 10 million, mostly Covidiots, in Canada alone. That means it will stay around in pretty big numbers for years and it pisses me off because it doesn't need to happen. We could get to the 95+% mark if the Governments would simply tell people that they have to be vaccinated. They could make it mandatory to carry a vaccine card to get into any large scale event and to travel, even province to province, but they won't do it because popularity is more important to them than the safety of the population. FTR: Latest CDC data says 1 shot of Moderna or Pfizer is 80% effective and at least 1 fully vaccinated Manitoban has died of Covid.

Saying it isn't proving it. Even if everyone in Manitoba over 12 who wants a vaccine gets one by June 9th, that's only one province, only one shot, and only 70-80% vaccinated. Will there be a vaccination card by June 9th too? If not, no proof of vaccination too. From May 14: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who has promised that everyone who wants to can be fully vaccinated by September, this week spoke of a "one-dose summer" and a "two-dose fall" without explaining what that might look like. (https://www.reuters.com/world/canada-plots-course-fully-vaccinated-return-gatherings-fall-2021-05-14/) 4% of the adult population in Canada is fully vaccinated. (https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccination-coverage/) 47.8% of Manitoba +12's have 1 vaccination as of today. (https://www.gov.mb.ca/covid19/vaccine/index.html) I doubt that doubles in the next 3 weeks. Fully immunized in Manitoba = 7.1% as of May 20. No way that goes up to 75-80% in 3 weeks. That's what 'proof' looks like. Data, supported by sources.

I don't think we are through with the pandemic at all. The Covidiots will keep it going way longer than it needs to. The current vaccines will protect folks against the current strain(s), but we'll likely need to get a yearly vaccination to keep it at bay. We don't know how long the current vaccine will keep us safe especially when we are ignoring the science when it comes to time between doses. Trudeau, the younger, is still talking about everyone will be vaccinated by the end of September. In political talk, that's one shot. In reality, it take two to get above 70-80% protected. Add in the 20% who won't get vaccinated at all, and we're in this for a long time IMO. The idea that we'll all get back to the same normal as we used to have is based on hopes and dreams. We'll get back to a new normal with vaccine cards to get into places and to travel and a yearly outbreak that will mostly replace the flu outbreaks. The 3.4 million deaths worldwide including the 25,000 Canadian families who've lost a loved one will never forget this once in a hundred year pandemic. It's scar will remain for a generation or more.

They didn't approve fans for Oilers games.

Alberta government has not issued official approval of CFL return-to-play protocols - https://3downnation.com/2021/05/19/alberta-government-has-not-issued-official-approval-of-cfl-return-to-play-protocols/ That leaves Winnipeg and Regina. Hard to see how that works for the CFL.

Honestly, no and I've had season tickets in both Calgary and Vancouver.

I think you're looking for something that isn't there and finding it.

Actually Shell Shock was WW1. By WW2 it had changed to postconcussional syndrome or battle fatigue. Then it became operational exhaustion. Now it's PTSD.

I hadn't noticed that the numbers are a week out of date. We've gone up 7.614% of Canadians getting their first shot since April 10 according to: https://covid19tracker.ca/vaccinationtracker.html and up to about 2.5% fully vaccinated instead of the 2.13% on April 10. Less than 1 Million Canadians have been fully vaccinated so far. You're right that AZ is 12 weeks between shots. The others are 3-4 weeks. Thanks for the correction. AZ vaccines are coming to Canada in part because the US won't use them and were getting J&J, because the US has 'paused' it due to side effects. Delivery dates haven't been settled yet. Several countries including the US, haven't approved AZ, other countries suspended it's use, still other countries only give it to 55+ or 65+ folks. The blood clot issue went from 1 in a million to 7 to 10 in a million in a week or two. We won't know where the number will eventually land until the independent data is in. I can understand people wanting the best instead of the cheapest vaccine. There are 38 Million people in Canada. Even if we assume that we can fully vaccinate 22 Million by the end of June, which I don't believe, that still leaves 16 million and no one will know who is and isn't vaccinated. Yes, all vaccinations only provide partial immunity. 94% immunity is better than 74% immunity and 74% is better than none. The blood clot issue isn't just something that they can take care of. People have died from it (At least 19 as of April 7 when it was still a 1 in a million chance.). Kinda ironic to die taking the vaccine you took to protect you from Covid. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccination-coverage/ The official numbers, not behind a paywall. 1 shot isn't immunity. CDC says 2nd shot should be given 3-4 weeks after the first shot and there is no scientific evidence for delaying more than 6 weeks. 84+% of age 80 and up have been vaccinated. The vaccine hesitancy is specifically for the Atra Zenica (74% effective) because of the blood clotting issues (7.9 per million doses, up from 1 per million just a week ago. BTW: Double the risk cuz everyone needs 2) and the fact that it's significantly less effective than Pfizzer (94%) and Moderna (94%). From a CFL perspective, it's the cumulative numbers from Ontario, Quebec, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta and BC that matter, not just one of the provinces. I'm 63, in Calgary. I managed to change my first dose from May 17 to May 3 yesterday. It means I'll get AZ, which I really don't want, but at least I'll have some immunity. I have no idea when I'll be able to get my second shot. Once I get it, I'll be 74% immunized and I'll still wear a mask in public because no one knows who is vaccinated and who is just being a Covidiot.

2.13% of Canadians are fully vaccinated as of today. .25% of the population got their 2nd shot last week. That's 1% of the population getting 2nd shots a month. At that rate, it will take 97 more months to get everyone vaccinated. 17% of Canadians have received a single dose. 3.96% got their 1st shot last week. That's 15.84% getting their first shot a month. That's 5.25 months to get everyone a single dose, which puts us into September and the reason the Government can say everyone will be vaccinated by September. Of course, you're not fully vaccinated until a couple of weeks after the second shot, but Governments don't care about facts.

They have a verbal agreement in the West, assuming the 3rd wave subsides, but don't even have that for the East. Maybe the Eastern teams will play road games for a month at the beginning of the season. They haven't got buy in from the CFLPA and they'll look at the dates again in June. Basically a thoughts and prayers announcement. We think we might be able to do August and we pray that Covid won't still be a problem.

Believe what you want to Speed. Doesn't make it true. No other network is interested in out bidding TSN. The CFL needs money? Hardly a surprise. That's why they are talking with the XFL. If the CFL goes to 4 downs and NFL like rules, I bet most folks simply watch the NFL. Those who want to go to games and watch the home town team play NFL lite likely aren't enough to keep the CFL/XFL going for more than a couple of years.

The going rate it what TSN is paying. If the going rate was higher, another channel would outbid TSN. If TSN decided to pay less, the CFL wouldn't have any choice but to take it, unless another channel was willing to pick it up for more. It doesn't float. TSN pays the same no matter how many folks are watching. Sometimes they are overpaying. Sometimes they are underpaying, but its all the going rate.

You're right about participation, but you're wrong about TSN keeping the price artificially low. Other networks would out bid them if they thought the price was low. TSN pays the going rate for the CFL, maybe a bit more to keep the competition out.

The ills of society lead 1% of people in these circumstances to murder. Your white guilt is better placed on the victims who suffer than on the murderers. The conversion starts as soon as the person gets arrested, not after the court case or the sentencing. Most people absolutely take skin colour into account, just read the posts. Therefore, your timeline argument is invalid. I also disagree with your opinion that bullies don't have good parents who would have corrected them. In your world, society 'makes' murderers, lack of good parenting 'makes' bullies and you can 'correct' behaviour by simply giving people something better to do. You discount motive and the fact that these things don't effect most people enough to make them into murderers or even bullies. It's great to hear that you reduced vandalism, which is not bullying, and violence (How did you quantify that?) in your community tho. Congrats.

IT'S ABOUT MAKING PEOPLE FEEL SORRY FOR THE MURDERER and it's a great STRATEGY. We talked about this for a week before anyone brought up motive and the percentage of people who murder. It took another day before anyone brought up the victims. By the time someone gets caught it's too late for prevention for them. I'm all for changing things to make the world fairer for more people, but that conversation needs to be outside the realm of the 'justice system'. By bringing it up every time someone of colour kills someone, you're perpetrating the myth that their background is THE reason they killed someone. As 99% of people, even from the same background, never kill anyone, it's way down near the bottom of the 'reasons' someone is a murderer. If you want to empathize with anyone, empathize with the victims and their families. Society needs to focus more on the murdered than on the murderers. Laws need to change to give victims and their families more rights even if that means reducing the rights of the perpetrators. I bet, tho I having looked up the stats, that more people from bad backgrounds are murdered than are murderers.

My bad choice of words. I should have said it's not just a poor choice. The murderer may be 100% responsible (premeditated) or they may be partly responsible (manslaughter) or defending themselves or it may be an accident. Each type has different levels of punishment or no punishment at all. I'm not for treating them all equally. Most here are saying that background and societal influences should be taken into account. How do you explain any middle class or rich murderers like the Menendez brothers (Rich, entitled, killed their 2 parents, no slavery, no racism)? Are societal influences only influences in some cases? When looking at murders look at motivation (Love, Loathing, Loot) first. Look at drug use second. A few stats: Less than 1% of global deaths are homicide. In Canada it's 0.19%. In the USA it's .7%. Somewhere between 16,000-20,000 people commit murder in the USA, which is very close to the number who commit suicide. 20,000 / 332,000,000 is way less than 1% of the population. 99% of people never murder anyone. How can you blame societal influences be the cause for 1% when it isn't for 99%? Can you provide stats to back up your opinion?

Back atcha?

Murder is not a 'poor choice'. It's not because of a poor upbringing and it's not because of slavery and it's not because of single parents and it's not because of poverty it's not because of racism and it's not about being trapped. All these things are brought up at trial to change the focus from the grisly act of one person killing another to societal issues. It's about shifting blame, pure and simple. It's a magic trick so to speak. Look over here, not over here. I'm not saying 'nothing can be done' and you should know that if you actually read my posts. In fact, I laid out a way to get more money into the system and a way to reduce poverty that governments could, but won't do and I agreed that education could be part of the solution. I'm saying blame the individual and stop trying to blame society. That's not a straw man argument at all. It's putting the blame where it should be.

Provide solutions to the problems or else your just whining for no reason. Dare I call that useless? Solutions, if they exist, won't stop people from murdering people and they aren't excuses for people murdering people. They exist outside the murder conversation, but you want to attach them to it. Is that to excuse murder?

If Education is the answer, and I think it's part of the answer, then we can fix it without saying that poor guy didn't have any choice but to commit a crime. We can't eliminate poverty because those with money aren't willing to give it to those without money and the Governments are on the side of those with money. Minimum guaranteed income would certainly help, but suggesting $1500 a month maximum still leaves the recipients in poverty. We could make the tax system fair in 3 steps: 1. All income is taxed equally. It doesn't matter if you work for someone else, yourself, make money in the market, or by donations or any other income. 2. All deductions are capped at $100K of income. 'Rich' folks don't get more deductions than middle class and poor folks. 3. All income is taxed where it's made. All $ made in Alberta is taxed n Alberta. None of the above will happen because the 1% who own the world and the 10% who run it for them don't want to pay their fair share.

Why? So you can 'fix' it somehow? How would you do that? Folks are calling colour a root problem. That's not 'fixable' and only a problem in some peoples minds. Poor upbringing? Can't fix that. Poor? Can't fix that. Single parent? Don't even try to fix that. That just leaves to excuse the conduct based on the murderers 'root problems'.

I'm not discounting peoples surroundings. I'm saying those surroundings aren't an excuse for murdering anyone. I hadn't heard of the 'reproduction calculation' but it makes perfect sense for the times. That being said, it's a huge stretch to equate that with absent fathers AKA baby Daddy's.

What a dumb comment. I didn't say or imply that poor people choose to be poor or that they lack responsibility. I said they are responsible for their actions and most of them never murder anyone. Ah yes, the white guilt argument. The colour and the race of murderers doesn't matter. The fact they are murderers is the only thing that does. As long as you are bringing it up tho... America abolished slavery in 1863. That's 150+ years ago. Even in the worst of slavery most white families didn't own slaves because they were way too expensive. It's the top 1%, actually 1.4% of the free population in 1860 in the US owned slaves according to the census info, and some of them were black owners. Slavery isn't a US only issue. There were way more slaves in South America and in the Caribbean. In fact Americans mostly bought their slaves from South America and the Caribbean because they were already 'trained'. The chance of having someone in your family tree who owned slaves is the same as having someone in your family tree who was in the top 10% of earners. Don't let the above facts make you think that I'm trying to 'whitewash' slavery. I'm not. It was horrible for slaves. 12.5 Million Africans were put on ships. Only 10.7 Million of them made it to their destination. Less than half a million went directly to the USA. It was almost as horrible for indentured servants, but at least they became free in 5-7 years if they survived. America and many other places were built on the backs of slaves. It's not just black and brown folks who the US ghettoized. The Irish, the Chinese, the Japanese, the Jews and many others were also ghettoized. Basically anyone who got off a boat was forced into a Ghetto of one type or another. When I was a Vancouver Realtor, some places like 'British Properties' still had a whites only policy for buyers right on the deed. Of course they aren't legal anymore, but that shows where we were at in Canada, not so long ago (Early 1940's). Even in the 60's when my grandparents sold the family cottage, they got in a bit of trouble for selling it to Jewish folks. They, rightly, told the neighbours to pound sand. Yes, even today, black people, especially in the US have it harder than white people on average. Yes a lot of them live in or come from dire circumstances. Yes, the Cops often treat them terribly. Black, Brown, White or any other colour, the Justice system treats poor folks terribly and rich folks great. None of these are reasons or excuses to commit murder. None of these are reasons or excuses for feeling sorry for people who kill other people.