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Again, you're proving you don't have any idea of what you're talking about. I'm not bitching about being able to develop a QB. It's just a fact that should be taken into account when looking at developing our current backup QB. Streveler, one of our best development QB's wasn't ready to win the GC 'last year'. We needed to bring in the vet Collaros to get us there. The chances that McGuire will be able to get us to the cup are slim to none and cup contender is what we all want to be. You're the one who loves to complain. It used to be about what the Bombers were doing, now it's about me not agreeing with you and the other positrons (first time this year... I'm in preseason form). I bring up facts. You whine that I'm complaining. I explain again. You ignore it and whine that I'm complaining, this time with some caps. I agree to disagree. You make up something I didn't say and whine about that. Finally, you go completely off the subject and whine about things I've said or things you think I really meant in the past. I sigh, roll my eyes and try to push the keyboard away. Failing, I answer your tired tirade. Facts: In 2019 we were 4th in the CFL, 3rd in the west. We traded for a vet QB at the last minute. He took us to the GC and won it. Years ago Calgary did the same thing. Based on these facts, we were a mid tier team that got hot in playoffs and won the cup, much like Calgary did all those years ago. No, that doesn't mean we didn't deserve it or that I didn't enjoy it. That's just the story you've made up. Yes we had some luck. Same holds true for all GC winning teams who weren't dominant in the regular season and some who were. Going forward.... We brought back a lot of the GC team. Should that mean we expect to be dominant this year? Some folks around here sure think so, but were weren't last year in the regular season. We're going with a rookie kicker instead of one of the best if not the best in the league and a rookie OC instead of one of the best in the league. We've got an oft injured starting QB who managed 4 starts last year backed up by a 'rookie'. We're replacing a couple of top end DB's. Everyone's a couple of years older and we don't know how that time will affect them. I sure hope we don't get a string of injuries like the Riders got yesterday, but it could happen. Note that none of that is complaining or moaning, but from the Kumbaya, positive thinking, look for the best outcome crowd it must sound like it.

Bomber fans and Rider fans think their teams will be OK if their starting QB goes down based on nothing more than faith and the 'power' of positive thinking. Then they make fun of the other teams fans for thinking that their teams will be fine if their starting QB goes down. The truth of the matter is that most backup QB's fail. Some like Franklin and Jennings fail even after showing great promise. McGuire and other backups around the league haven't even got to the great promise stage. If you don't see that as a huge potential problem, then I can't change your mind. If you read my posts, then why did you ask your question? You always think you're right too. In fact, most if not everyone around here thinks they are right. If my opinions make you feel stupid, that's on you. All rookies are promising until they aren't. All unsigned vets are washed up until they are signed. You value the unknown over the known with issues and I value the vet over the rookie. Let's agree to disagree. The 'power' of positive thinking plus $5 gets you a coffee at Starbucks. Positive thinking shouldn't become a reason to hate folks who use critical thinking. It seems like reading my posts is making you angry. Maybe you should stop reading them.

If you bothered to read what I've been typing, you'd already know the answer, but cuz you likely won't go back. Vet backup QB, not necessarily Jennings, on the IR so their salary doesn't count against the SMS. Activate them if/when Collaros goes down. If VBQB beats McGuire in TC, then flip the roles and McGuire goes on the IR. I'm not in favour of giving anyone a job just 'so they can develop'. Toronto and Hamilton will keep both of their QB's. Ottawa will keep Nichols and Davis. Montreal will keep Adams and Schultz. BC will keep Reilly and Arndt. Stamps will keep BLM and Prukop. Riders will keep Fajardo and Harker. All of those backups have more CFL experience than McGuire. Edmonton is in the same boat as we are.

I don't care if other teams have the same problem. I don't care if other teams ever win, backup QB or not. I'd want a vet backup or at least one with some playing time, on my team. I bring up our lack of success at grooming QB's because it's a big reason to bring in a vet backup and it shows that the odds of McGuire being even serviceable are very low. There is more than one reason to bring in a vet backup QB. I haven't passed judgment on McGuire because I haven't seen enough, good or bad. No one has. Maybe he's a gamer. Maybe he's not. That's not a reason to give him the job and it's not a reason not to bring in a vet backup. It's not about McGuire in particular. I'd say the same thing about any QB with 6 plays on his resume. How can any of us possibly know that McGuire is as good as anyone? The answer is... we can't. We can just hope he's the answer if/when we need him. All I'm saying is don't put all our eggs in the one basket. Bring in serious competition in TC and no it doesn't have to be Jennings. Maybe Franklin could be talked out of retirement. To others who make up things I don't say... It's cool. That's when I know you agree with me but can't bring yourselves to type it.

Better in my mind, but both are good. Nord doesn't work as well in Linux and didn't have working split tunnelling when I used it a few years back.

Bull stuff.

In the last 3 years McGuire has 0 CFL TD's and has thrown for 17 total yards. Jennings played on Ottawa who only won 3 games in 2019. Some of that is on him, some of it is beyond his control. Jennings doesn't have a huge upside, but he has experience. A rookie QB, which is what McGuire essentially is, won't win us the cup. A vet backup would at least give us a chance. The Bombers have no problems with having vets on the PR. Neufeld has spent a ton of time on the PR over the years while paying him big bucks. It's OK, cuz the money doesn't count towards the SMS. The same thing is true for a vet backup QB. Not bringing Jennings or any vet QB for that matter doesn't mean that McGuire has already beaten them out in the coaches minds. It means the Bombers have made their plan and will stick to it. McGuire's being given the job. Neither of the rookie QB's are around to compete with him. They're extra arms for TC. One might stick around on the PR. They've also given the kicking job to our rookie kicker without any competition. That doesn't mean that Leggo has beaten the vet kickers out there in the coaches minds. It means that Leggo is the first choice and we'll bring in another kicker only if he can't do the job. It's less of a risk because kickers don't need to understand the whole offence to do their job. If/when Collaros goes down, we'll hear about how he won't be down long and how we'll be fine with McGuire. In the background we will start looking for a vet backup and take whoever is available at the time. Maybe that's Jennings, but whoever it is, they won't have the advantage of training camp or knowing the offence. That means they won't be as effective for a game or three. Those games plus the McGuire games could be the difference between a good season and a bust. An insurance QB on the IR would reduce the risk.

Is there a good to great experienced backup QB out there? Nope, but Jennings is probably the best experienced backup QB to bring to TC. If McGuire can't beat him for the #2 spot, then he's not our QB of the future anyway. If/When Streveler becomes available, I'd offer him the #1A spot. In the meantime, Jennings would have a mysterious injury forcing him onto the IR where his salary doesn't matter to the SMS and it allows McGuire to get the #2 QB reps. Reasons: Experienced backup QB who has won and lost games in the CFL. Dude's thrown for 13K yards in the CFL and thrown 69 TD's. Experienced backup QB who knows our system and who is in all the meetings. (Why you bring him to camp) Experienced backup QB who we could instantly put on the roster if/when Collaros goes down. Don't have to bring in a QB who doesn't know the system if/when Collaros goes down. Plan for the worst and hope for the best.

Me too, as long as he's healthy for the cup run, but I doubt that happens.

You can and I will make a big deal about McGuire's lack of experience. Collaros is injury prone. He only played 4 games last year. He's played in18 games twice in his 9 year career, the last time was 2017. Not having any experience behind him is one of our biggest issues. Hamilton's QB situation puts them in the #1 spot at least until the season starts.

I cut the cord years ago. I use the TSN app and Kodi to get what I want to watch. No cable bill, but I need a VPN (3.75/month), Real-Debrid (For quick downloading of TV and Movies $60/Year), and TSN App ($99 each 6 Months). I also have Shaw internet 300 cuz I got it at a great price, but it worked fine on 75 when that's what I had. You also need an Android box which is about $100 one time purchase for a decent one with full 4K output from amazon.ca. If you want to go full legal, you could buy Netflix (US too if you have a VPN), Roku to pick up a bunch of channels and an antenna to pick up local stations ($20 one time, 5 stations in full HD in Calgary).

I don't understand your question. Is it Why would anyone want a VPN or Why would anyone want this particular VPN? Why you'd want a VPN: End to End Encryption. Encrypted DNS. Get stuff that's only allowed in specific countries, like US Netflix. (Note that most of this can be done for free if you know how) Kill switch (stops your internet if you become disconnected). Why you'd want VPN.AC in particular: Fast. Doesn't slow down in the evening (Lots of others do). Wireguard. No logs. No tracking. Works with Real-Debrid. Not owned by a media company. Best pro VPN I've used and I've used: PIA, Nord, SurfShark, Mullvad (Even more secure than VPN.AC, but more expensive) I've also created my own VPN on LINODE which I use when I want to be absolutely sure that no one but me is watching or logging.

Simonise gets chances because you can't teach size and you can't teach passport. He's got both and he's only 26. FTR: I'm not complaining that we let him go.

Please don't use a 'free' or 'built in' VPN. If you're not paying for the product, you are the product. You can buy a good VPN for less than $5 a month (VPN.AC) that won't track your every click. You can also create your own for less than $4 a month if you know what you're doing and then you don't have to worry about anyone tracking you.

Fact 1: The Bombers have only found 1 good (Great except he never won a GC just for Speedy), 1 great (for other teams) and 1 part time starter. Fact 2: I don't care if we ever bring another starting QB into the league because I don't care where they come from as long as they can play at a high level. No, I'm not lamenting our lack of success. I'm pointing out our past lack of success is a fact that should be taken into account when it comes to our expected success. Fact 3: You don't have to watch the CFL as long as I have to understand that inexperienced QB's generally fail. BLM, in Calgary's great system, is an exception to the rule, but if you think that McGuire is an exception based on his preseason play and his 6 play CFL experience, then I think you're fooling yourself. It's not just the Bombers either. Most young QB's never amount to anything in the CFL despite great college success. The one's that do usually take more than a year on the bench before they become successful. 'Those who think he has skills' isn't remotely the same as 'we're going to be OK if he has to start'. I think he has skills, but I don't have any idea and neither do you, if those skills will be enough to win games in the CFL. Lots of young QB's look good in preseason against other teams backups and cuts, running a vanilla offence against a vanilla defence and still don't even become competent backups let alone starters. One in a million was an overstatement on my part. Most likely doesn't mean will happen. Could McGuire be the next one or at 'least hold the fort'? Sure, but how likely is it? Now, how likely is it that a QB with actual CFL starting experience will be able to at least 'hold the fort'? Past events put me on the side of the Vet. Fact 4: I'm not the least bit surprised that people who only ever want to look at the best possible outcomes find me negative. It's always been that way. If I cared about that, I would have left a long long time ago. The Salary cap is a red herring. We can't dress a 3rd QB this year. If we had a vet QB, they'd either be #2 or IR'd to save the SMS hit. It's good insurance IMO. If we don't bring in another QB, then McGuire won't have any vet competition in camp. He'll be competing against 2 Newbies without any CFL experience. If either of them beat him out, then I'll still be worried about our lack of depth behind Collaros. I'd prefer that McGuire compete against an CFL experienced QB for the #2 spot. IMO we're hooped if Collaros goes down again for any length of time unless we bring in a Vet QB. It's an opinion based on logic, reasoning and the facts I've presented. There was no competition for him to win. Everyone knows that you'll be 100% on the GM and Coaches side no matter what they do. You were one of the biggest 'he who should not be named' and Joe Mack fans on these forums until the day they were fired. We arguably have a Grey Cup contender. I'd hate to see that promise wasted trying to bring a young QB up to speed. I don't believe we would have won the cup 'last' year if we had to rely on McGuire and Streveler and I don't believe we'll win one this year if we have to rely on McGuire and Newbie #2. Again I say: Plan for the worst and hope for the best.

It's not one or the other. It's a competition for the #2 spot. Frankly, if McGuire can't beat Jennings for the #2 spot, then he isn't the answer you think he is. Speedy... Facts are facts. They aren't mine and they are alternative or fake. Here's an example from this thread. Fact: Brock never won the GC. Conjecture: Whose to say he couldn't have won if given more chances. Those two ideas aren't equal. One is a fact and the other isn't. Got it now?

I'm assuming based on MOS's comments. I seriously hope they bring in another kicker or two.

Seriously, I'd take Jennings as a Vet backup prospect. He looked pretty good as a throw deep first QB. He looked pretty bad when he was told to cut down on the mistakes and read the defence. You gotta let Jennings Jenning if you want to use his potential. I don't expect a good to great backup vet QB. Anyone we would hire would have baggage otherwise they'd be a starting QB.

That's not the flex you think it is. Lots of folks around here think that their opinion and conjecture is worth more than facts so they try to 'shout' me down. Do I have this right? You're idea is to wait until we need a QB right away before we look for one? Take whoever is available at that moment? You don't think it's a good idea to bring one to camp to compete? Where's the downside to competition? Where's the downside to knowing our offence? If we keep him on the IR, he can be in all the meetings. and be ready to play the day we need him. If Streveler comes back, great, cut the other vet QB. You're a fly by the seat of your pants, non-planner guy. I'm a plan for the worst and hope for the best guy. If it turns out that Collaros lasts the whole season, then we've burned some non-sms cash. If it turns out we need another QB, then having one around from day one is huge. Think of it as insurance if you like.

Just ignore me then. I'm wired to look at the most likely outcomes. You're wired to look at the best possible outcomes and to think that any other outcome is negative gloom and doom. It's not, but I'll never convince you so I'll just leave it here. I can't stop the internet cuz you're feelings are getting hurt and I'm not about to change the way I think. Your choices are to ignore it or whine about it. I'm guessing the whining will continue as it has for the last decade or so. You realize that Tait writes uber positive articles for the Bombers, right? I read the article. McGuire seems like a nice kid. It's worth noting that Fajardo had 3 years of experience before he got the call. Arbuckle isn't Ottawa's starting QB, Nichols is. Arbuckle will be fighting it out with MBT for the Argos starting QB spot. I'd rather have Arbuckle than McGuire because I've seen more of him and he's done pretty well. Like who? (Munching on popcorn) If there's a vet QB out there worth bringing in, then bring him in to TC and let him compete against McGuire. That way he has the offence down and he will be ready to go sooner if we have to bring him back later. Heck, we could put him on the IR just to keep him around. You don't worry enough.

BLM is the 1 and only example that anyone's given of a QB with McGuire's experience level having a break out year. Everyone who thinks that we'll be fine with McGuire at QB if Collaros goes down is saying it. Everyone who expecting the best case scenario is saying it too. Even comparing McGuire to Streveler, who wasn't ready IMO to take us to the GC last year with considerably more experience than McGuire is hoping for the best despite our history.

Of course the best possible outcome is rarely the probable outcome. In other news the sky is blue. Why worry that our backup QB has little to no CFL experience? Because we are likely going to need him to win games for us this year. It's very telling that you look at the probable outcome and call it negative. It means you know I'm right, but you don't want to admit it. Speedy... Tell you what. I'll give you that Brock was a great QB who never found a way to win the big game so we can stop arguing about things that happened 40 years ago and don't have any meaning anymore. Better? How 'bout we talk about the rookie kicker being given the job, the DB situation, the backup QB and the loss of PLAP. At least that's relevant.

It's not about 'can't do'. It's about what's most probable and that's not to be a good starting QB if he has to take over from Collaros.

No you obviously don't. You know what? I don't care about your spin and I waited as long as you to see the Bombers win a GC again. Last time they won the GC, I was in the stands and on the field afterwards. I don't care how Hamilton acted in your mind or that we shut them up. I do care that we won and that it was a great performance. He was a good starter. He ran up a bunch of passing records and had one of the best arms I've ever seen. He's in the hall of fame for a reason but, we never won a GC with him. We traded for Clements who took Brock's team to the promised land by beating Brock and the Ticats. The big game losses are the difference between good and great IMO. I'll take Clements over Brock every game day. To be fair, I looked up the stats: Evans, Signed 2017, Started 3 games in 2018, took over in week 7 2019, lost the GC. Harris, Signed with Jacksonville, Arizona, Hartford, Buffalo, Orlando in 2011 and Toronto in 2012, Played in 2 games in 2012, played in 1 game in 2013, Started 1 game in 2014, Started the 2015 season due to Ricky Ray's injury, replaced by Ray for the end of the season and the playoffs, 2016 became Ottawa's starting QB. BLM, signed in 2012, first start and break out year in 2013. He played in 5 games and got 3 starts. He's the best example of a young QB becoming a good starter in his 2nd pro season and he got it because both Drew Tate and Kevin Glenn were injured, not because he was the #2 guy. McGuire, Signed with the Bomber in 2019, got 6 plays in one game after the Bombers lost both Nichols and Streveler. Bomber fans expect him to be the next BLM.

You're confused because you're not understanding what I'm typing. We've developed 2 starters and a part time starter at QB in 50 years. Therefore, it's unlikely that our current backup will develop into a starter, especially considering he got like 6 plays of CFL experience in total. It's very likely that he will struggle like most inexperienced QB's if we need to use him. BTW: Unlikely, doesn't mean it can never happen. I don't mind the idea of developing a rookie kicker. I mind the idea of giving our rookie kicker the job without having to earn it by beating out a vet kicker and that doesn't just apply to kickers. Every player should have to earn their place on the team. I guess you haven't been understanding what I've been saying, so I have to say it again (Sorry to everyone else who does understand): We were a 4th overall team, 3rd in the West. We made a great trade for a QB at the last minute of the trade deadline. We had a wonderful playoff run that got us the cup. Our GC win was more like Calgary's cup when they came from 3rd in the West to beat us all those years ago. We got some luck and some bounces, but every team gets those. That's not gloom, doom, fluky or dismissive. It's what happened. I don't have to tell myself that we were a dominant team that was destined to win the cup to enjoy the win, which I very much did.