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Winning % is a team stat, not a QB stat. I'll take inconsistent with a higher top end over consistently mediocre (This year) Can't say Nichols is clutch considering he hasn't won a playoff game for us yet..

Passing Yards: Harris 4849, Masoli 4966, Nichols 2788. QUAR: Harris 73.7, Masoli 84.9 , Nichols 69.0 Pass Effic: Harris 97.7 , Masoli 102.8, Nichols 69.7 300 Yard games this year: Harris 10, Masoil 12, Nichols 0

You can keep Manziel, but I'd take either Masoli or Harris over Nichols.

I was hoping you meant it when you said you were going to ignore me. Actually, if you had any reading comprehension, you'd know by now that I'm talking about QB play, not team wins.

Same thing. Different title.

Yup. I treated my folks very well. Gave them a lot of personal responsibility. Helped them when they needed it. Got outta their way when they didn't. I did well in 360's.

FTR: That's what I said in my post. Trying to get your post count up?😀 If it's his first offense, I doubt the Riders or the League do anything about it. He says he's sorry and pays his fine. If this isn't his first offense, he calls himself an Alcoholic, which is a disease, so his employers have to try and help him. Can't fire him. (I stupidly hired an Alcoholic because their ex-boss gave them a glowing review. Took almost a year to get rid of them, then they wanted me to give them a glowing review to get back on their feet.)

I was wrong, so I admitted I was wrong, like I always do. You, with your stupid tag line, ought to know that.

FTR: He wasn't driving, he was sleeping behind the wheel on the side of the road with the vehicle running. Same charge as if he was actually driving.

Don't blame me for your lack of reading comprehension. Blame your teachers. You don't even seem to understand what 'my narrative' is.

If MOS had decided to start Streveler for the Montreal game and going forward, would the fact that he won 3 or 4 of the games mean that Streveler was obviously the best QB on the team? Would you say he was great because we won?

Nichols was losing us games a month ago. Wins are what matters. That's not the same as wins are because the QB played well or that wins mean the QB played well.

The old give the QB credit for team wins argument. You think that we'd have lost the Montreal, Edmonton or Regina games with Streveler at QB? That they have better completion %'s and 300 yard games. Wins are a team stat.

I'm not saying that Nichols is a ridiculously poor QB either, just an average one that's not the difference maker folks seem to think he is. 1. You're right about the number of rushing attempts. I was comparing Harris to Powell straight up. I didn't take into account the rest of our running game. Running the ball will hurt Nichols gross numbers, but it doesn't effect his QUAR or %'s. In fact, a good running game should make it easier to throw the ball. 2. I wasn't cherry picking. I was basing my second point on my first, which it turns out is wrong because I didn't take anyone but Harris vs Powell into account. Nichols is 7th in yards per game passing. 9 QB's have 300 yard games this season, so it's not a Nichols vs Harris argument. 3. No Streveler doesn't have any 300 yard games in his 3 starts as a raw rookie. Who'd expect him to? 4. PLAP calls deep balls about 15% of the time, which is lower than OC's who have QB's with higher completion rates. Nichols has 57 deep balls on 359 throws with a completion rate of 29.8%. Is that because PLAP doesn't just doesn't like the deep ball or because Nichols doesn't complete enough of them? 5. Short field = defensive win, not QB excellence. 6. Nichols is in a system designed for him and he didn't even win a playoff game in '16 or '17. Reilly, Harris, Mazoli, Bethal-Thompson and Jennings all have better completion %'s than Nichols and 300 yard games this year. All of them aren't in short, high completion offenses.

You extrapolated incorrectly. You doubled his first half stats and completely ignored his 3rd quarter stats. You included the 72 yarder which is very unlikely to have happened a second time in the game to juice your conclusion. When a QB throws bad INT's he deserves the blame. When he throws for 150-200 yards, his defense scores, gives him 5 turn overs, short fields and his backup scores more points than he does, he doesn't deserve most of the credit. The comparison of Nichols and Streveler certainly doesn't work for your side. You can't compare the raw numbers, but the QUAR and percentages are still valid. Does Streveler win the Montreal, Edmonton and Regina games if he starts? I'd say it's most likely because none of those games were won by our QB. That leaves Ottawa, Nichols best game of the year. I give him full credit for that one.

And yet you just keep on whining about it and making these threads go on longer. 🤣 We don't only have negative posts after losses. We don't have only positive posts after wins. (Did you read that slow enough, or do you have to go back to the beginning and read it again) Mr. Dee... I'm ecstatic that Streveler, Peterman and LaFrance got the 4th quarter. That's a great way to give them useful reps. I'm happy and somewhat surprised to see that MOS actually let some backups play and saving some of our best players from injury. However, that's not the point at all.

A win means that no one can say anything negative? What a crock. It's not the folks who look at both sides who are the problem. It's the folks to whine about folks not just seeing the positives that cause these threads to go on and on and on. Just ignore those who disagree with you and everyone will get along better.

Cuz one play tells you everything about a QB. 🙄 You think Nichols would have done any better without Harris and Dressler?

I didn't like Nichols silly walk any more than I liked Jefferson's taking the long way to the end zone. I'm a 'pretend you've been there before and are going back' kind of guy.

A couple of FTR's: He got 155 yards, not 250. If he had played 4 quarters that would be 200, not 250 yards. Streveler put up more points in his less than 1/3 of playing time. Folks who question Nichols doesn't necessarily hate him. (I don't) How many points we've scored isn't a Nichols stat. It's a team stat. 133 of our points are off turn overs. Streveler has scored more TD's than Nichols through the air and on the ground.Some were short yardage that were set up by Nichols. Wins aren't a QB stat either. They are a team stat. Flame away.😎

Good signing for them.

Excellent signing.

There you go again. Confusing team goals with QB play. Reilly is a better QB on a worse team and the discussion wasn't about Reilly anyway. For the love of dog, you're reading comprehension is poor. I loved that we won. It was a great win. We destroyed them. All that being said, Nichols didn't have a great game and that's all I was saying in the first place. Ottawa also rushes a lot. Powell is the leading rusher in the league right now and has more rushes than Harris. Trevor Harris has 9 300 yard games this season alone. Nichols has 1 300+ yard game in his last 19 starts. I didn't say that Nichols never throws TD's. I agree that it's better to hand the ball off when you get close if you have good RB. In fact, I'd rather see us punch the ball in on the ground than give Nichols 2 throws from the 5 because rushing has a higher chance of success. Nichols has 16 passing TD's and 1 rushing in 12 starts. Streveler has 10 passing and 8 rushing in 3 starts. I didn't say Nichols can't throw deep. I said he isn't accurate when he throws deep. PLAP is calling deep balls. Nichols is missing them. It doesn't matter how many deep threats we have. When they are open, our QB needs to get the ball to them. BTW: Reilly's numbers on deep balls are down because he throws a lot of 50-50 balls so they are often contested catches. Nichols numbers are lower and he doesn't throw many 50-50 balls. Nichols is 7th in deep ball completion percentage. I'm not calling for Nichols head. The only time I did that was after the Banjo bowl when I wanted Streveler to start the Montreal game. Yah, we score a lot of points. 131 of them are off of turn overs which is best in the league. It's not about Nichols playing great. It's about the team around him playing great.

That's not the way it works and you should know it. It's got nothing to do with your stupid made up scenario. It's got to do with the way Nichols actually played yesterday. He got 155 yards passing, half of it on one play. We won because the defense scored, got 5 turnovers and because the backup QB put up more points than Nichols did. If our backup QB had started, we still would have won that game. The win had almost nothing to do with Nichols performance. The best you can say is he hit a deep ball and didn't turn the ball over. That's a pretty low bar for a starting QB. Just because you asked I'd take Reilly over Nichols. Any thinking CFL fan would. Reilly would put up more 300 yard games in our offense behind our offensive line with our receivers than Nichols ever will. You're confusing QB play with team play and you used to be better than that.

I guess you missed the bomb to Dressler and the big run to the 1 that got us 14 points before the 4th. We didn't move the ball in the second half with or without Nichols because we were not taking any chances. The int was a bad play, but the run was something that Nichols just can't do. Streveler was also playing without Harris and Dressler in the 4th, two big contributors in our offense.