kelownabomberfan

are you saying that there might be some deliberate obtuseness here? I thought that was my thing.

Fair enough, but I also think punching Communists in the face is totally acceptable. Where do we draw the punching in the face line? And who is a "Nazi" anymore? The term seems to have lost a lot of meaning these days, as everyone is a Nazi.... Since when does the NDP run consistent surpluses. Look, you want to stick your head in the sand, be my guest. Is there a "socialism for dummies" book? That sounds kind of redundant. So you are saying that right now, the Left and the Right are both being inherently dishonest, and so therefore free speech should be abolished? Is that your takeaway? If so, I agree with the first part, but disagree with the second. LOL - here we go again.

she won the popular vote because of two states. That's why she lost the election. There I go again, pushing facts.

I do find it hilarious that you are trying to compare Leftists from that era and say that they are in any way tied to the Left as it stands today. Seriously, have a look at Tommy Douglas sometime. He never ran a deficit in his life. Can you honestly say that he is a "socialist" by today's standards? I can't. And you can't either, if you are being honest. What Orwell stood for is true liberalism, an ideal that is pretty much dead. It was hand-in-hand with freedom. I think Bill Maher can be a real jack-arse, but he's one of the guys on the Left that I can stomach, because he believes in freedom too. Maher hates the whole anti-free speech movement. So did Orwell. Eric would not be standing by your side right now. No way, no how.

that's just so wrong, on so many levels. My "boi" Orwell would have a problem with that way of thinking.

I think Orwell would be extremely disappointed with both sides of the ledger in the US right now. Just as I think Tommy Douglas would weep if he saw what happened to his dream of affordable Canadian health care. And sorry, but if you think your "boi" would be cool with far lefties wanting to see the First Amendment abolished, then you haven't thoroughly studied Animal Farm.

and what I find Orwellian is the Left's continual attacks on free speech. Check out interviews with Antifa slime-balls, the first thing they say they want to do is abolish the First Amendment! Why is that I wonder?

and we're back to this nonsense. Here's a deal - stop labeling people with racist terms like "white nationalist", because they don't just fall in lock-step with everything you say, and then guess what, you will stop being disgusting. Because it is disgusting. And if you are lumping yourself into the 98%, then you are truly delusional. no, it's pretty cut and dried - those who win the electoral college win the US election. That's why some people figured out that you should actually campaign in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, and some were too arrogant and lazy to even try. The whole point of the electoral college is so some states with bigger populations can't just over-run smaller states. We should look into this in Canada, maybe Quebec wouldn't be given SNC Lavalin treatment if we did. It is funny though how Democrats never said boo about the unfairness of the electoral college until they lost. That's actually hilarious. She was extremely unpopular. That's a fact. https://news.gallup.com/poll/243242/snapshot-hillary-clinton-favorable-rating-low.aspx

Once again, you broke my irony meter. You owe $12. my cheerios and my computer screen both are taking a major beating today. Ok, let's look at the conversation again. You openly asked why Zontar is "allowed to post" or some such language. Even though he doesn't break any rules here, and is generally respectful. So then why wouldn't he be allowed to post? Because he says things that you disagree with? I ask the question, and used the term "free speech' which I know is a trigger for some, and am hit with a lecture about hate speech, which isn't applicable to the discussion at all, but "thanks". So it's pretty logical to assume that you, or some here, feel that what Zontar says is "hate speech", even though it isn't. He's just saying things that you disagree with. I disagree with a lot of things he says too. But he is allowed to say it. He's not breaking any rules of the forum. Once you start censoring people, or even calling for it, just because you disagree with them, you do enter the world of the absurd. And it's just not a place anyone should even be considering, because we are supposed to be a free country.

I think you mean the 2015 election.

good grief, back to these stupid insults. Just disgusting. Winning the popular vote in the US is like having the most shots on goal in a hockey game. It is a nice stat, but is meaningless in the standings.

Nothing you said above is true. I don't "attack" people, but I do disagree with them. That's not the same as endorsing censorship, which is just wrong and totally Orwellian. This "whataboutism" is pretty silly actually (hey look I used a virtue signaling word, that's cool!).

too bad you won't open your mind up to what he has to say, he was bang-on as to exactly why Trump won, and why Brex-it happened. And if you won't listen to what he says, then the same thing will keep happening over and over again.

and I love how anyone who says anything that certain people disagree with it is suddenly classified as "hate speech". This is Orwellian and wrong. Sometimes people say things that you don't agree with. I get that there are rules to this forum that require respect for other posters, and you and I both have breeched those rules and rightfully been punished. But just saying things that don't conform to the belief systems of some doesn't make it "hate". This was one of the reasons that Trump won. People were tired of being labeled for their personal beliefs, and voted in the last place they still had a voice, the ballot box. Check out Jonathon Pie sometime.

I just spit cheerios all over my computer screen. This is just delusional.

not really, as it seems like some here still can't grasp the bitter reality that the Dems ran a crappy campaign, with an incredibly crappy candidate.

Great point Mark, and expect "haters" to jump all over it. You exactly nailed it. And yes, the same thing could happen in Canada, though at that point the parallels end for me, as I see Trudeau as a blight on Canada in so many ways, and so him being kicked out isn't just because people like him less than Scheer, it's that he's an arrogant lying sack of crap.

yes, free speech sure sucks. You have to listen to stuff you don't agree with, imagine that!

This comment actually cuts both ways. Strip away the inflammatory rhetoric and you can start talking about legitimate beefs with both parties. And there are a lot. Trump is a lot of things that you guys say, but in the end, we're not Americans. So it's up to Americans to decide who best represents them. If the Democrats are unable to find someone who Americans feel is better, then Trump will win again. The Democrats don't just get a free spot on the bingo card, they have to focus on why they would be the better choice. They didn't do this in 2016, and it cost them big. You can blame Russians or whatever, but it's all on the Democrats for that loss.

I don't think this label (yet again with the labels, why??) is really appropriate. What does this mean? If you disagree with someone and their policies, you are automatically a "hater"? Are you then a "hater" of Donald Trump? Or do you just disagree with his policies and how he conducts himself? AOC was picked to run in a district that Pelosi described as "a glass of water could win for the Democrats". So her handlers knew she would win, and also knew that she'd say things that would resonate with a small part of the extreme left. Why? And now she's trying to sabotage Joe Biden? Why? What are your theories on this? Instead of jumping on people and telling them that they can't post about Democrats in a US Politics thread (I know it wasn't you that did this), why not discuss the complexities at work here? Is there a war going on behind closed doors at the DNC? If so, who is going to win? Old establishment white guy or someone else more in line with the regressive Left represented by AOC and others? What are your thoughts on this? Is this guy a "hater"? All he is doing is disagreeing with a lot of things that AOC is saying. And by just focusing on Trump's foibles, and not on how to beat Trump in an election, the DNC is doing itself a complete disservice. But thanks again for the advice. I truly don't understand the labels, and so when these are applied, like the term "hater", I will always question them, as it is the labelers doing themselves a complete disservice.

Just disgusting. Not really. There is no "fun poking" here. You can pretend all you want. It doesn't. And throwing around these kinds of insults is just disgusting. Shame on you. I have no idea who you are talking about? Andrew Scheer? Jagmeet Singh? What is the "ha ha" here?

I'm not sure who the "haters" are. She posted an instagram video about how she didn't know what a garbage disposal is. Like, why? Who does that? I am not sure why you do that, and not expect ridicule. As Nanci Pelosi said, both of she and AOC won in districts that the Democrats could win running a glass of water. Now it's time to step up, and show why you are better than a glass of water.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Who is the "black woman" and why is her intelligence being "insulted"? What is the point of this post? Are you like this at your work too, walking around and telling people what they can and can't say, bullying them at every turn? If so I pity your co-workers.

they'd have to remove all of the garbage disposals in the White House though, as they seem to be too confusing for her. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7006645/AOC-baffled-new-D-C-apartments-garbage-disposal.html

Trump will be long gone before AOC makes a bid for president. By then she'll be Candace Owens problem.