kelownabomberfan

The middle east has hated us for way longer than 100 years. Islam has been trying to eradicate Christianity since it's inception 1400 years ago. And there has been an ethic cleansing of christians going on there for over a hundred years. In the early 20th century 20% of the population of the middle east was Christian. ....now it's 5% and quickly falling. Cause it's not like Christianity hasn't tried to eradicate other religions throughout history. Ah yes, the infamous Obama "high horse" argument.

Because, they aren't democratically elected governments. They can do whatever they want. And they aren't going to take in anybody - why would they? That means less money in the pockets of the regime that controls the country. Humanitarianism isn't something that these kinds of countries engage in. The hypocrisy of people who criticize anyone for wanting to slow the process down is sure prevalent here. The people criticizing anyone about immigration of Syrian refugees saying nothing about how these Arab countries refuse to fight against ISIS or for not taking any refugees from Syria. Saudi is definitely fighting ISIS, but they aren't taking any refugees.

Because, they aren't democratically elected governments. They can do whatever they want. And they aren't going to take in anybody - why would they? That means less money in the pockets of the regime that controls the country. Humanitarianism isn't something that these kinds of countries engage in.

I agree. I was erroneous in my first post and thanks for pointing that out.

LOL - yes of course it would add more weight, but I don't think you will see it. Thanks for the link. I'll report back to my "source" and see if they want to moderate what they're telling me. At the very least, I would expect Trudeau to be trying to control the message, as any leader would do, given the political implications of this hot potato. Especially after the Americans just vetoed Obama's Syrian plan. EDIT - I read the link, and this Liberal MP is extremely pro refugee. To clarify, my "source" was telling me that Trudeau has ordered all Liberal MP's to toe the line like this MP is doing, and to say nothing negative about the refugees, no matter what their personal beliefs. It just struck me as very Harperesque of him. Which is something this new guy wasn't going to do, according to people here. I always assumed that this was extremely naïve. All of the leaders do it. The media just made sure that everyone knew it when Harper did it.

It appears that Obama has failed in his bid to bring the Syrian asylum seekers to the US. Even Democrats are voting against Obama on this one. Just for the record, I don't agree with this, and I think they are letting hysteria guide them here. I hope that Canada doesn't follow this lead.

Word from a Conservative connection here in West Kelowna is that Trudeau has put a strict gag order on his MP's to refrain from talking to the media about the Syrian refugee issue. If this is true (and I don't expect the "We Love Trudeau" media to report it), how is he doing anything differently than the last guy who was Prime Minister? Oh right, it's totally ok when Justin does it.

Rich - you missed my point entirely. What I am saying is that our cultural mosaic works for the most part, but as Europe is showing us, it falls apart when you import a large population that refuses to integrate, and just becomes parasitic and violent, for reasons people seem too worried about looking politically incorrect to even discuss. We can ignore the evidence and continue to watch the bodies pile up on the streets of France in the name of feeling good about ourselves, or we can look at how we currently assimilate immigrants and find ways to make sure they aren't marginalized, or feel that they can continue to practice their old ways, be it to brandish a gun in the face of a family that happens to be from an ethnic group they were persecuted by in their old country, or self-detonating in a theater while yelling Allah Akbar. I hope that we can get past the name-calling and the nonsense, and focus on the problem. But it seems like its impossible to even agree that there may be a problem, as people are too scared to break out of the politically correct cocoons they've insulated themselves in. PS - I will admit that I shouldn't have said "a lot" of refugees. You are correct, my mistake.

https://www.facebook.com/CTVNewsChannel/videos/989181951143136/?pnref=story

I was remembering a story today about how a Church in Winnipeg sponsored a family of Serbian refugees to come to Winnipeg back in the 1990's when Yugoslavia was falling apart. All was hunky-dory and the family was settling well, until the dad learned that there was a family of Croatians living down the street. He came to the Church and demanded that they give him money to buy a gun, as he was sure the Croatians living nearby him would try to murder his whole family when they found out he was Serbian. I believe that they had to move the family away and into a neighbourhood that was ethnically acceptable (no Croats) for the family, as the guy was inconsolable. This is the kind of baggage that a lot of refugees bring with them when they come here. It's what made them "refugees" in the first place. If their own country wasn't an unlivable cesspool of violence and destruction and war, they'd be still living there. It is up to our society to find a way to end these prejudices so that we all can live in peace with each other, including Serbs and Croats, no matter what is happening back in their old countries. And that's the problem in Europe, the Muslims emigrating there aren't integrating, and are becoming more and more radicalized, especially the second generation, which is why you had French born radicalized Muslims self-detonating on Friday in Paris. Something is wrong with the model, and Europe should be our clarion call.

Actually it looks like most of them were born and raised in France, which is much, much scarier.

I was watching Hockey Night in Canada a few months ago and Ron Maclean did a segment on the Muslims that JT's dad allowed in from Uganda in the 1970's that were being persecuted by Idi Amin. Canada has benefited greatly from that move, as a lot of those families have come here, lived in peace, and prospered, including Naheed Nenshi's parents. I have seen some people drawing parallels to those Muslims and the Syrian Muslims. Is there a difference? I am not sure. All I ask is that our government do all it can to protect us from radical extremism. If they can guarantee that they are allowing in 25,000 Naheed Nenshis, then I 100% support this move.

I agree with you here Mark, that there are other refugees that need our attention that are getting back-burnered now because of politics. All refugees, be they political ones or otherwise, deserve equal treatment.

I think that what is at heart here isn't whether the terrorists responsible for one attack in one city were "refugees", or whether the majority of Canadians don't want Canada to accept any "refugees", it's more about Canadians just wanting these "refugees" to be vetted properly, instead of our borders just being opened wide in the name of political correctness, and to appease some liberal bleeding hearts. There are long term consequences (and potential benefits) whenever a large group of immigrants is allowed in, to the economy and to the culture of a country, and so why not take the time to do the proper security checks? In the 1970's, Jimmy Carter tried to look like a great guy and allowed in a big flow of Russians without doing much checking, and he imported the roots of what is now the Russian mafia in the US. The Russians didn't bother to tell him that they had opened their jails and given them all clearance to leave the country. That's what happens when you let your bleeding heart overweight your brain. I say bring in the Syrians, all we can handle, as long as they are vetted, and there is proper housing for them here. We have that luxury, to do this vetting properly, as we have an ocean between us and them. France, Germany, et al in Europe, don't have that option.

Do they have a choice? Does anyone?

Do they have a choice?

Ladd for Tavares! Seriously though, if somehow they can off-load old Toby, I'm 100% onboard. I am so tired of seeing the other team just skate up to him and take the puck away...

Looks like New York is the next target... http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/18/europe/paris-attacks-at-a-glance/index.html

The True Cost of Europe's Muslim "Enrichment" by George Igler November 18, 2015 at 5:00 am The United Nations, in 2000, advocated the "replacement" of Europe's population by Muslim migrants. There seems to be an economic premise underlying this view: that importing the Muslim world en masse into Europe is mutually beneficial. For decades, the mass immigration of Muslims into Europe has been labelled "enrichment." Shouting "Islamophobia" does not negate how it is virtually impossible to think of a country actually made richer by it. Even in a country with an established Islamic population such as Britain, Muslim unemployment languishes at 50% for men, and 75% for women. Those using an economic rationale to implement Europe's demographic transformation fail to recognize the complexities of Islam: they ignore the fundamentalist revival that has been ongoing for over a century. One feature of this growing embrace of literalism is a belief -- validated by scripture -- that Muslims are entitled to idly profit from the productivity of infidels. The idea that with time, Islam's religious tenets will somehow moderate and dissolve, merely by being lodged in Europe, is wishful thinking, especially in communities where Muslim migrants already outnumber indigenous Europeans. The "blind eye" turned towards polygamy in Britain, France, Belgium and Germany has ensured that some Muslim men have upwards of 20 children by multiple wives, almost always at state expense. http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6915/europe-muslim-enrichment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i7VKQwDS2s You know that MB was watching this at home and thinking "why didn't I think of this???"

Odd that a soccer game would attract a stadium full of Islamic radicals. They all just need a good hug.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/embed/video/1229826.html Turkish soccer fans boo and chant "Allah Akbar" during moment of silence for Paris terror attacks. It's not their fault. It must be ours.

If a guy like Wes Welker can find work in the NFL, I don't see why Matthews wouldn't be in demand.

So quite the epic takedown over night in France of 9 more bad guys, meanwhile, two Air France planes diverted due to bomb threats. Things are really spiraling out of control. I am wondering if the big Climate party gets moved to Montreal now, so that JT and the premier of Alberta can show everyone how much we want to join them to fight a fairy tale, while continuing to put their heads in the sand about an actual threat.