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I haven't heard O'Shea or Walters defending Lapolice at all this season. Have heard them defend players on offense. Reading between the lines there, sounds like there's quite a bit of disappointment in the lack of evolution in the offense regardless of how much cap space gets plowed into playmakers for Lapolice. Have heard O'Shea defend Hall and explain his trust in the scheme. I doubt there's any change coming there if O'Shea remains, and I don't really think there needs to be any. The D has been spectacular given that we have rarely fielded a consistently functional offense, and have plundered the D more and more each of the last two off-seasons. Hall is pretty close to retirement though, think that's more likely than a firing.

Yeah except Buck didn't join us with 3 games left in the season having been out for basically the entire season and now on a 3rd team.

Basically just downgraded our 3rd rounder by 12-15 picks to a 5th rounder.

Wonder what the price for MBT was. The Argos can't want him going forward. MBT has been better than Collaros recently and has at least played this season. I don't see what Collaros can offer having been out for about 5 months and struggling all of last season when he did play, sure his W-L was good but Sask was scoring by special teams and turnovers at CFL record pace.

Maybe but Streveler is a totally different kind of QB. He'd really have to develop cohesion with a group of receivers and the ability to make great pre-snap reads and quick throws. That's all run and shoot is, if we see this, we're throwing here and the receiver changes route accordingly. The receiver and QB need to read the same things. There's not a lot of RPO and someone like Harris would be totally wasted in a Run and Shoot. Also really focused on cutting down the reads and cutting the field in half for the QB, easy reads, easy throws. Can be really killed by a great zone defense, but it seems like teams have a lot of trouble scheming zone lately and prefer to just blitz wildly.

Look at his QB's, and look at his record, and his consistent results over a relatively long period, and now think about the rest of the market for head coaches. He's a commodity. It's not a black mark on the head coach to lose playoff games to better QB's, that's an organizational problem. Who do you think is tops among available coaches for head coaching positions? Rick Campbell? Following an open revolt in Ottawa? Tommy Condell? He was garbage until June Junes taught him Run and Shoot, no guarantee he's going to be able run a whole organization. Lapolice? A guy who hasn't developed a half decent QB or playmaker in 3 football lifetimes. Dinwiddie? Kavis Reed? Mark Washington? Reinebold? Mark Kilam? Not likely after the disaster Calgary's special teams have been this season. O'Shea is pretty clearly the top of the head coaching market if available.

I'm predicting neither one will get close to being a head coach again, especially Lapo. Campbell is a Maas level bonehead in-game and the way that team has turned on him this year is an epic meltdown we haven't seen in a long, long time. Like worse than Burke or Berry meltdowns here. Those are three guys that will have a hard time getting another head coaching job (Lapo, Campbell, Maas), especially as the GM ranks turn over to new eyes.

Masoli is a run and shoot QB. If someone signed Masoli planning on doing something else they'd just be plain stupid. His skill set and the core of that philosophy mesh perfectly.

O'Shea is in control of this situation really as a free agent. There are at least 3 teams that need a head coach including the Bombers, and he is for sure the #1 choice of two of them (Bombers and Argos). I doubt he has much interest in the Ottawa job, unless it becomes a GM/Head Coach job and he's into that. Much different situation than Lapolice.

He's currently one of the best coaches in the league...and played his whole career save for a couple brief Hamilton stints with the Argos.

Sure, it's like poker if you know what the hands are and get to choose what you are dealt. It's pretty obvious what the coaching market is going to be and who will be available, it's not a game of chance.

Change for the sake of change is the quick route to failure. I'm absolutely not against change, but if it is not the correct change we'll just be starting from scratch and we've been there for most of the past 25 years. Lapolice is clearly bringing nothing to this organization. This is an obvious change that has very little risk, almost no risk that his replacement is worse, I guess we could be worse than Ottawa next year. We used to at least be good in the redzone, can't even manage that now. Objectively over a significant period that has been the only consistent strength of our O, Harris and scoring in the redzone even if they needed a lot of help from D and teams to get there. There has been no improvement over Lapo's time as OC, no matter how many new players, rookies or CFL veterans, are brought in. Lowest common denominator is the bald guy talking into the green light. Hall has taken lots of hits as Walters and Co have tried to jump start the O. We have spent far more $$$ on O, and handed Hall a random collection of inexperienced DB's and cheap vets. Our only money guys are D are Jefferson, Jeffcoat and Bighill. Two of those guys haven't even been a factor this season due to injury. Hall has done an amazing job to keep points off the board.

Well if you think you didn't just watch Hall's defense you deserve to be dismissed.

Sure, they were .500 without him. The guys they had the last couple years behind him were horrendous when they got extended play, Stanzi, Buckley etc. The Bombers have won a fair number of games in the past 4 seasons with significant pieces out too. To me the big difference is QB and the fact Lapo really can't scheme to do what a team like Hamilton is doing with anyone at QB.

True, but the Bombers have been very deliberate in giving Lapolice the offense. Hard to say how much influence anyone could exact on that guy, even as a "boss." It could be a pretty significant mistake to fire MOS for not insisting on Lapolice being chopped. There's more Tim Burke's and Jim Daley's out there than Mike O'Shea's. If they have someone in mind who can push this team over the hump as a coach, go for it, just not sure who that would be.

Calgary has a great QB. When they had Burris and Tate they went through many more years of what we've been doing, beating up on average/crappy teams in the regular season and losing to better competition in the playoffs. They had a transition from Barker to Hufnagel in there and won a championship. I mean if we're looking at bringing in someone at Hufnagel's level as GM or Head Coach or both I could be swayed. Just don't think the candidate is out there or that the Bombers will pay for it.

I think O'Shea absolutely knows how to win as a Head Coach. I don't believe many others would have been able to average 10+ wins a season over 4 years with QBing and offense in general as shitty as the Bombers have had, especially in this era that heavily favours offense. They have had to be very creative, and almost perfect, to get points on the board through special teams and turnovers, dominate field position to give this team a chance to win with a huge handicap on O.

Disagree. Yards after contact nearly the same as his total.

Disagree. Hamilton runs a system where they use protection (often max, 7 blockers) and route combinations to open up the downfield passing game. Both their QB's are throwing underneath coverage to a receiver that is now all alone on that side of the field, throw a rainbow the receiver will find it. Probably 90% of their passing yards are on those plays and dynamic screens with lots of YAC. That's a system that is inflating to a QB, it's a modified run and shoot, it is a great system for a QB and makes it quite easy for them, not relying on them to thread a needle, and it doesn't need a successful run game to create space, the screen game functions that way.

Interesting that our passing production was same with a vet QB. You don't see any systemic issue? I don't believe Adams or Arbuckle would do anything in this offense and it's hard to judge Streveler too, obviously has had some spectacular moments but no consistency.

Neither was Lapolice.

The differences between the Bombers and a contender are in the QB room, including the guy designing the offense.

Who is a great or even very good player that Lapolice had a role in developing this decade? QB, RB, Receiver. Honestly can’t name one. Even the vets we’ve signed to try to buttress this mess on O the past couple years are turning bust.

We’ve been dreadful with him going on 2 and a half seasons. If you want to win playoffs and Grey Cups you have to have the ability to beat the teams that are going to be there. The Bombers record against +.500 teams the past three seasons is terrible. Our W-L doesn’t matter too much in that context of winning the league. Six of Nichols 7 wins this season were against Ottawa, BC, Edmonton and Toronto. By far the four worst teams in the league.

Not defending Streveler, but really every other team in the league no matter who is playing QB has receivers open, outside of us and Ottawa. Something is really wrong with the design of the routes and protections regardless of who is at QB, and it's been that way with Lapo forever back to his time as HC, pre-Crowton. Our QB's aren't great but they aren't this bad either.