JuranBoldenRules

Subway needs a pitchman.

From what you've seen with Marve, with coaching and reps, does he have the talent to be a legitimate CFL QB? Too soon to tell. He needs more game reps. But if we remember Reilly's first year with the Esks. Most wouldn't have expected much more out of him. Is this a joke? Reilly threw for 4000 yards that year.

From what you've seen with Marve, with coaching and reps, does he have the talent to be a legitimate CFL QB? Not so far. I would say he doesn't have the basic skillset that a good pro QB has, particularly as a passer which is the majority of the game for a QB and his inexperience just magnifies that. He's got a long way to climb to even be in the league of guys like Brink and Elliott.

Different schemes would make a difference though. Only if you bring in Paul Johnson and the triple option. Marve can't pass, probably can't throw either, Brohm can't throw for sure. Good luck.

Question is will they be able to afford Wild on the open market. It may take a little chop chop of vet salaries to make it happen. Willy's missing at least 1/3 of the season with that not counting against the cap. That's well over $100,000 right there. That's more than enough for Wild, that's $200,000 prorated if he signed this week.

I'm no fan of Bellefeuille, but it's ridiculous to think that someone else calling the plays is going to make a lick of difference with Marve or Brohm.

You take advantage of that by making throws from the pocket. At times Calgary had two backers spying/coming on delayed blitzes. That means there's a bunch of space in the middle of the field and deep when Calgary was having their safety fill in behind the backers. There were one on ones deep all day, Calgary had no respect for Marve's arm, and he gave them no reason to respect it. Until he can, there's not much you can call to make him look good, maybe some option runs. I may be wrong here, but to me it looked like Marve was told to stay in the pocket, and as a result he held onto the ball too long several times. If you're supposed to stay in the pocket, but get no time to throw or find second and third reads because the Oline is the shi...ts, then it stands to reason you are not going to look good. I couldn't believe the line on several of the plays, they looked awful. Our so called great signing from Calgary is not earning his $$. So who is that on? him alone or the blocking schemes? Probably a bit of both. Seems to me with our Oline, doesn't matter who the QB is...they are all not going to accomplish what they should, which is why we were still last in offence even with Willy healthy. Of course he looks better because he has a lot more experience, but if nothing changes, we will always be last in offence. He couldn't leave the pocket because of how Calgary's defense played him. As soon as he tried he had at least one linebacker running full speed at him from 3 yards depth. Calgary's ends also worked fully from the outside lane in to Marve, no inside pass rush moves, just disciplined and gradual work towards the QB pinning him in the pocket allowing that spying LB to clean up, other than the one time Bryant fell asleep before the snap and the one end ran right around the edge. That's why I spent two months telling you guys that a scrambling QB is the easiest type to defend if they can't do anything from the pocket. It's extremely easy to force a QB to stay in the pocket and very hard to counter that if that QB can't make a throw. Now you're seeing it. We're not last in offense with Willy. We're last in offense with everyone, Willy's only started and finished 4 games. Marve and Brohm have thrown 112 passes now to 156 for Willy.

You take advantage of that by making throws from the pocket. At times Calgary had two backers spying/coming on delayed blitzes. That means there's a bunch of space in the middle of the field and deep when Calgary was having their safety fill in behind the backers. There were one on ones deep all day, Calgary had no respect for Marve's arm, and he gave them no reason to respect it. Until he can, there's not much you can call to make him look good, maybe some option runs.

Marve's strength is rolling to his right and throwing. I haven't seen him do anything else well in terms of passing. When that's taken away, he's lost. And it's very easy to take away. That looping end or LB from the opposite side of the formation does it quite easily. If he can't make a throw from the pocket, he's useless in this league. One dimensional players can't play this game, it's just too easy to defend them. It's just going to get worse if he can't start to make some throws as teams will be hugging the line of scrimmage and taking away the run game entirely as well. My hope is that they move on relatively quickly if Marve doesn't show RAPID improvement the next couple weeks. There's an opportunity here to actually develop someone to be our backup, don't waste it on a guy who can't play at all.

So if Markus Howell calls the plays Robert Marve will be able to pass like a real CFL QB? Sign him up!

Doubt it. It was re-evaluate at 6 weeks, not ready to play at 6 weeks.

He was drafted by the Als. And he's about 365 lbs. Maybe they'll Kabongo him if he comes up north.

Seriously? He took over the Riders D directly from Hall and it's completely tanked. It's about as close as you can get to a direct comparison between two coaches, and Chamblin clearly loses. In his other season as a DC he ran the 6th ranked D out of 8 teams. He'll be back coaching DB's for awhile, on either side of the border.

You must be the only person on earth that's seen Yantz play against CFL players. You're making some massive assumptions.

Remember the games against Sask last year when they would start running the ball? Everyone knew what was coming and there was absolutely nothing we could do to stop them running the ball down our throat. Calgary did the same to Sask the game before this one. If your backs are good and your oline can block there isn't much a team can do to stop a run-based O. It doesn't help when your OC doesn't believe that a running game is important to a balanced offence. You should look into Bellefeuille's past. He's often had one of the best running attacks in the league and many 1000 yard rushers. There's some bigger issues here related to lack of talent, particularly at QB and OL. Bellefeuille is an average to good OC, nothing spectacular for sure, but he's taking a ridiculous amount of grief for QBs that aren't CFL quality, regardless of what people feel their potential might be.

I could do that too if I never threw a pass further than 5 yards downfield and took 5 sacks. All I'm saying is that in the 1st half he was moving the ball but we couldn't capitalize in the red zone. That I lay squarely on the OC. When did they move the ball? They got into the red zone on two turnovers from the D and special teams and couldn't muster more than a first down and a field goal on each. Did they have a single drive with more than 3 first downs?

Until a QB makes the defense respect his ability to pass the ball the offense will be spinning its wheels.

I could do that too if I never threw a pass further than 5 yards downfield and took 5 sacks.

And Roberts played on a lot of bad teams too. A one-dimensional offence is extremely likely to fail. You can run 30 times, you're still going to be passing 20-25 times minimum. Someone's gotta make something happen with their arm.

Speed wasn't an issue when we had a quarterback who could pass playing. Speed drops when your quarterback does not have a clue.

Marve was better last year usuing his natural abilities, this year he's been enrolled in Marcel's QB kindergarten and is failing miserably.His "natural abilities" aren't going to take him far if he doesn't learn how to pass at a basic level. Calgary had Simpson spying him and sealing the edge behind the end if Marve did try to leave the pocket. Calgary's ends also never came on inside moves, they stayed in pretty clearly defined wide rush lanes to not give him any opportunity to rollout or scramble. Marve is going to have a hell of a time leaving the pocket if he doesn't make teams respect his arm to at least a basic level. Shovel pass or screen solves this problem early... To get the ball into the hands of another player to get rocked for minimal gain. There needs to be a threat 10-15 yards down the field and deep as well to open things up. Marve has shown no ability to make accurate throws on time at those levels.

Like Mark F alluded to, your analysis emphasizes the importance of our run game which is basically non-existent from a consistent point of view.I still think a bigger back like a Messam type (one in shape though) would at least help (maybe?) alleviate some of the lack of skill at the QB/Line positions. And if Marve can't get out of the pocket based on the Defense, take what the defence gives us and dink and dunk down the field, we have the receivers for that, especially Moore. A run heavy offense without at least the threat of the quarterback doing something with his arm will be inconsistent too. Defenses will adjust and at some point Marve has to make them pay with his arm. Until he can do that it doesn't matter who is calling the plays or what plays are called. We have a big back. It doesn't make a difference when teams sit all their defenders within 8-10 yards of the line of scrimmage because they have nothing to fear from the quarterback.

Personnel is the biggest issue here. The D and special teams have been playing quite well outside of a handful of bad kicks and decisions by Hajrullahu and Stoudermire. There's nothing anyone could do with Marve as he was yesterday. BLM was the difference. Both OL were horrendous, BLM had a clue and the arm to move the ball, Marve had neither.

He was just as bad in the second half against the Argos. He needs to be able to make a read and a throw from the pocket because both Toronto's and Calgary's adjustments to him playing QB has been to drop 8 guys in coverage, have 3 rush off the snap, 2 very wide ends and a 4th guy spying to rush him when he starts to scramble and make sure he's pinned in the pocket and can't escape with his eyes downfield. That 4th guy is coming as soon as Marve rolls.If he can't execute a basic passing play against a basic defensive adjustment to a QB who wants to run/scramble, there's not much hope for him.

Yeah but Cortez has a good track record. MB does not. You can't compare the two. Yes. But the point was not to settle on finding scapegoats when the trouble is more wide spread.as a Hamilton fan you should know bellefool isn't the answer to anything, butitblows my mind how bomber fans are quick to throw O'Shea under the bus when it's clearly Walters and co not giving the team enough talent or depth to compete. Seriously guys, we are nowhere close to being deep enough or good enough on paper. And the sad thing is that most of the big deficits are at import spots, which is inexcusable after 2 seasons. We're starting 4 import receivers but we don't even have 4 worthy of starting in the CFL today. Our DL looked good against a bunch of rookie OL yesterday, but has generally been terrible. Import DL aren't hard to find. Everyone else has loads of good ones. I'd have a very hard time retaining Walters, Goveia, McManus in their current roles after this season.