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Marve was better last year usuing his natural abilities, this year he's been enrolled in Marcel's QB kindergarten and is failing miserably. His "natural abilities" aren't going to take him far if he doesn't learn how to pass at a basic level. Calgary had Simpson spying him and sealing the edge behind the end if Marve did try to leave the pocket. Calgary's ends also never came on inside moves, they stayed in pretty clearly defined wide rush lanes to not give him any opportunity to rollout or scramble. Marve is going to have a hell of a time leaving the pocket if he doesn't make teams respect his arm to at least a basic level.

You're 100% right - Henry Burris was brought into the league by the Sk Riders. No he wasn't. Burris was behind Garcia and Dickenson in Calgary in the late 90s, he got a couple starts filling in for injured Dickenson with the Stamps. Signed with the Riders for 2000 Went to the NFL after that season, his CFL option year, came back in 03 with the Riders. Was their starter in 04, how can you forget the Western Final that got McCallum's lawn fertilized? Spurned the Riders for Calgary as a free agent in 05.

Here's an open question to anyone. What playcalls aren't garbage when your quarterback literally cannot make a throw? Keeping in mind that the defense is sitting in short zones to stop screens, quick game and the run. You have 2 downs to get 10 yards. Oh ya, on every play 2 of your offensive linemen are going to get absolutely obliterated at the line of scrimmage. GO!

If Willy doesn't have a miracle recovery and make it back before October the season is done regardless of who is calling the plays.

Sure, let him run around like a chicken with its head cut off. That's a plan. Has everyone lost the ability to read and think tonight? Have you been sipping do or die's gin? How about swing passes, screens, shovels, a reverse There are other ways to get the ball in the running backs hands other than a draw up the gut Our back should have 30 touches runs/pass to back off the Calgary d The game plan was pure **** and set up to fail I saw all of those last night. Pretty hard for those to be effective when the defense can just sit and wait within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage because everyone in the stadium knows the QB can't make a throw. Doubly hard for that QB who's already struggling when the defense can get pressure easily with 3-4 rushers, leaving 8-9 in coverage/to spy Marve. Denmark and Moore got some nice gains on first down on bubble screens and hitch screens allowing the feeble OL to lead us to some first downs on 2nd and 2 and 3's. They used split backs and misdirection runs to Thomas but Marve's footwork was awful so it took way too long to develop and the contain guy had all day to read it. There's nothing you can call that will make a QB playing as bad as Marve did even passable. They literally should have just given up and started running option. That might have gotten them one drive before Calgary adjusted.

I believe that if you traded coaching staffs in this game the result would have been exactly the same. Our offensive line and Marve were that inept. And I'm not blaming Marve, he's in an extremely crappy situation having to play when he is clearly not ready. Whether he will ever be ready and have the skills to play in this league is the issue. It's too bad we'll spend a significant portion of this season finding that out. BLM was the difference in this game. Calgary couldn't run the ball, whenever they tried they took a bunch of penalties. BLM got smacked a ton, but knows how to play the game and can make some throws. Marve is the complete opposite right now.

One of the first things that Walters did upon becoming GM was to give himself a pay cut and put the money saved into the scouting operations. That impressed the hell out of me. Mack was paid as VP and GM. Walters is just GM. So he would have got a pay cut either way. You realize that those are just titles, right? Walters is the head football guy, same as Mack was. Both answered to the President/CEO and appear to have the same responsibilities except for the fact that Walters appears to have more subordinates. So yea, he probably could have asked for and received the same pay as Mack. Doubt it. They'd have to be pretty stupid to pay someone with about 2 years of relevant experience the same as someone with 30. What would you pay him if he had success and eventually had to re-sign?

I don't have the optimism to believe that keeping Willy healthy under Marcel's protection scheme is a sustainable plan for the future. Marve was juking and jiving to avoid being tackled in the "death pocket", without that mobility he would have been sacked at least 4 more times. IT must be something with the pass protection schemes. All that money and changeover to the offensive line and it 's still as bad as ever. They spent money on a centre who's been brutal for years and a left tackle. Chungh is a rookie. Expectations were ridiculous.

I'm not sure what plays you call to counteract a quarterback who is turning into a statue when looking downfield and not getting the ball out. Even worse with our OL that continually gets flat out beat up physically. Triple option right? Can't run left. Can't call any pass play that rolls right now because that's being spied and shut down by the defense. The option is about all Marve can run with how he was playing tonight. His accuracy beyond 5 yards is horrendous, both starts. His deep balls are just chucked, probably the worst I've seen since Kevin Mason back in the Reinebold days. I'm not sure how coaches get blamed for this. Walters, Goveia, McManus should be getting most of the blame. This roster has no depth, particularly at import positions which should be relatively easy to fill quickly. The backup quarterback depth is a joke. If Marve has another game like this they've got to move on to the next guy. Not worth wasting reps on a player who lacks the basic skills required from the position. I don't care how well he can run, if he can't set his feet and make a basic throw he's never going to be effective. He's too easy to defend if he's one dimensional.

He's averaging 4 yards per carry the last two seasons. He's worse than Grigsby and it's unbelievable that Ottawa stuck with him for almost a season and a half, especially when he's a terrible receiver out of the backfield too. Grigsby is at least a threat in the passing game.

That's a lot of points he's taken off the board for us and given to the opposition in the case of the bad punts/punt he didn't get off. The other blocked punt was a missed blocking assignment. To me his placekicking is good, but cold hard fact is that he's hitting 74% of his kicks for points (FG's and converts). Those are Westwood-esque numbers and worst in the league by a wide margin.

Montreal's D won that game. Marsh looked extremely limited. Montreal's running a high school offense. Will be interesting to see if they allow Marsh to throw downfield at all or try to continue with it, because teams will be defending them differently after the last couple games. I don't think you can run the same option play, screen pass to the back, screen pass to the boundary wideout every week and have much offensive success.

I agree. Not so much because of Simmons, more because of keeping guys like Nate Collins off the roster and dressing a guy like Jhomo Gordon who is lost. I'd rather have all our NI receivers playing and use that import spot on someone who can make a difference. Stoudermire's gotta be close to making his way off the roster if he doesn't start producing with Veltung healthy.

Using an import makes a lot of sense with 4 DI's if the NI can't do the job. Hajrullahu's punting needs to get much more consistent directionally and in terms of how long it takes him to get the ball out. Sean Whyte is a terrible punter and he's not going to beat out Hajrullahu as place kicker ever, probably a worse punter than Hajrullahu is now too. Hajrullahu is young and getting better at punting no doubt, just comes to a point where it's costing the team games and patience runs thin.

This is true, but a QB can have a big impact on that out side of the OL. release, a qb thats more prone to scrambling, those numbers could be skewed as a pure reference to the OL. But are certainly very important to the over all pefomance of the OL. QB has more impact on sacks, hurries are entirely on the OL. It's a much better measure to compare by for pass blocking.

Hurries and QB hits are just as important as sacks. I'd imagine if you quantified the number of times that the quarterback was hurried along with outright sacks, Edmonton and BC would slide down, Toronto and Calgary would move up.

Except the 4 games our QB started and finished where our offence was not a problem at all, other than some redzone issues vs Montreal.

I know the saying but I don't know how it can be relevant to this discussion. In the past 25 years, the Stamps have never had an OL as bad as the Bombers. Since 1990, the team's OL has always been a strength year in & year out. they always had a veteran group playing up front. So, they could bring in young players & groom them to start for 2 1/2 decades with the veterans playing ahead of them. The Stamps the past two years have lost impact players on their offensive line like Dmitri Tsoumpas, Brent Jones, Jon Gott & Stanley Bryant & had backup players ready to replace them. Winnipeg has never had that luxury. They never had the talent or the depth teams like Calgary have had. The Bombers have to find players who can play now. Having a player developing is nice but it's hard for the Bombers to do that. Hence the signing of Stanley Bryant & paying a premium to get him. So again, you can't compare Winnipeg's OL to Calgary & how the Stamps built theirs. It's completely different. The point is that to have the depth, you have to build the depth. And that takes time, both for the whole unit to come together and for individual players to develop. The only irrelevant point here is the one about Bryant, because imports aren't given time to develop. There's no premium on them, there's literally 5000 offensive linemen coming out of NCAA each year. They can play or they aren't pros.

You remind of the Chinese student in Tiananmen Square that stared down a tank. That guy also really hated Mike O'Shea.

Garrett was great to end 2011 as well. 576 yards in 6 games for a 6.3 yard avg with 4 TD. Not to mention the 190+ yard performance in the East Final. Both Garrett and Simpson were great for one small segment of time and then completely dropped off. It takes a pretty well glued together small running back to survive the pounding if he is giving it his flat-out best every down. Charlie Roberts was the exception but it seems to be the 210 lb George Reed type who lasts long enough to be remembered. Like 211 lb Da'Rel Scott...5 touches done for the season. Size is meaningless when it comes to injury. If anything the bigger guys are more injury prone because they have more pressure on their joints.

No. I'd rather use more imports on the OL, even if it's someone who is inexperienced because our issue is at least as much physical as mental on the OL. People somehow magically think Gordon is going to transform into a better player than JFG this week, but he's been useless when the lights have been on in pre-season and regular season.

Teams "starting" the minimum 7 NI's are the exception, not the norm. There's not really a point to be made, just allows for your roster on one side of the ball to not get shredded if you suffer an in-game injury.

Even makes more sense to split his reps though right? Doesn't matter who the starter is they'd split reps on day 1 of a long week (4 or 5 full practices). Sure if your talking about a Vet Qb yeah or a backup that can actually move the offense but that ain't the case here is it? But but but here we go.Brohm should be gone period. Wouldn't it make even more sense to spread the reps around then early in the week? Anyways, I'm done feeding this trolling garbage. If you want to talk football, join in anytime.

Even makes more sense to split his reps though right? Doesn't matter who the starter is they'd split reps on day 1 of a long week (4 or 5 full practices).

Greaves, Neufeld and Picard don't have the capability to be 'dominant' as individuals, never have, never will. Bryant and Chungh better play real well to form a 'dominant' OL with those guys. I think 'adequate' would be setting the bar fairly high for this crew.