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So if Markus Howell calls the plays Robert Marve will be able to pass like a real CFL QB? Sign him up!

Doubt it. It was re-evaluate at 6 weeks, not ready to play at 6 weeks.

He was drafted by the Als. And he's about 365 lbs. Maybe they'll Kabongo him if he comes up north.

Seriously? He took over the Riders D directly from Hall and it's completely tanked. It's about as close as you can get to a direct comparison between two coaches, and Chamblin clearly loses. In his other season as a DC he ran the 6th ranked D out of 8 teams. He'll be back coaching DB's for awhile, on either side of the border.

You must be the only person on earth that's seen Yantz play against CFL players. You're making some massive assumptions.

Remember the games against Sask last year when they would start running the ball? Everyone knew what was coming and there was absolutely nothing we could do to stop them running the ball down our throat. Calgary did the same to Sask the game before this one. If your backs are good and your oline can block there isn't much a team can do to stop a run-based O. It doesn't help when your OC doesn't believe that a running game is important to a balanced offence. You should look into Bellefeuille's past. He's often had one of the best running attacks in the league and many 1000 yard rushers. There's some bigger issues here related to lack of talent, particularly at QB and OL. Bellefeuille is an average to good OC, nothing spectacular for sure, but he's taking a ridiculous amount of grief for QBs that aren't CFL quality, regardless of what people feel their potential might be.

I could do that too if I never threw a pass further than 5 yards downfield and took 5 sacks. All I'm saying is that in the 1st half he was moving the ball but we couldn't capitalize in the red zone. That I lay squarely on the OC. When did they move the ball? They got into the red zone on two turnovers from the D and special teams and couldn't muster more than a first down and a field goal on each. Did they have a single drive with more than 3 first downs?

Until a QB makes the defense respect his ability to pass the ball the offense will be spinning its wheels.

I could do that too if I never threw a pass further than 5 yards downfield and took 5 sacks.

And Roberts played on a lot of bad teams too. A one-dimensional offence is extremely likely to fail. You can run 30 times, you're still going to be passing 20-25 times minimum. Someone's gotta make something happen with their arm.

Speed wasn't an issue when we had a quarterback who could pass playing. Speed drops when your quarterback does not have a clue.

Marve was better last year usuing his natural abilities, this year he's been enrolled in Marcel's QB kindergarten and is failing miserably.His "natural abilities" aren't going to take him far if he doesn't learn how to pass at a basic level. Calgary had Simpson spying him and sealing the edge behind the end if Marve did try to leave the pocket. Calgary's ends also never came on inside moves, they stayed in pretty clearly defined wide rush lanes to not give him any opportunity to rollout or scramble. Marve is going to have a hell of a time leaving the pocket if he doesn't make teams respect his arm to at least a basic level. Shovel pass or screen solves this problem early... To get the ball into the hands of another player to get rocked for minimal gain. There needs to be a threat 10-15 yards down the field and deep as well to open things up. Marve has shown no ability to make accurate throws on time at those levels.

Like Mark F alluded to, your analysis emphasizes the importance of our run game which is basically non-existent from a consistent point of view.I still think a bigger back like a Messam type (one in shape though) would at least help (maybe?) alleviate some of the lack of skill at the QB/Line positions. And if Marve can't get out of the pocket based on the Defense, take what the defence gives us and dink and dunk down the field, we have the receivers for that, especially Moore. A run heavy offense without at least the threat of the quarterback doing something with his arm will be inconsistent too. Defenses will adjust and at some point Marve has to make them pay with his arm. Until he can do that it doesn't matter who is calling the plays or what plays are called. We have a big back. It doesn't make a difference when teams sit all their defenders within 8-10 yards of the line of scrimmage because they have nothing to fear from the quarterback.

Personnel is the biggest issue here. The D and special teams have been playing quite well outside of a handful of bad kicks and decisions by Hajrullahu and Stoudermire. There's nothing anyone could do with Marve as he was yesterday. BLM was the difference. Both OL were horrendous, BLM had a clue and the arm to move the ball, Marve had neither.

He was just as bad in the second half against the Argos. He needs to be able to make a read and a throw from the pocket because both Toronto's and Calgary's adjustments to him playing QB has been to drop 8 guys in coverage, have 3 rush off the snap, 2 very wide ends and a 4th guy spying to rush him when he starts to scramble and make sure he's pinned in the pocket and can't escape with his eyes downfield. That 4th guy is coming as soon as Marve rolls.If he can't execute a basic passing play against a basic defensive adjustment to a QB who wants to run/scramble, there's not much hope for him.

Yeah but Cortez has a good track record. MB does not. You can't compare the two. Yes. But the point was not to settle on finding scapegoats when the trouble is more wide spread.as a Hamilton fan you should know bellefool isn't the answer to anything, butitblows my mind how bomber fans are quick to throw O'Shea under the bus when it's clearly Walters and co not giving the team enough talent or depth to compete. Seriously guys, we are nowhere close to being deep enough or good enough on paper. And the sad thing is that most of the big deficits are at import spots, which is inexcusable after 2 seasons. We're starting 4 import receivers but we don't even have 4 worthy of starting in the CFL today. Our DL looked good against a bunch of rookie OL yesterday, but has generally been terrible. Import DL aren't hard to find. Everyone else has loads of good ones. I'd have a very hard time retaining Walters, Goveia, McManus in their current roles after this season.

Marve was better last year usuing his natural abilities, this year he's been enrolled in Marcel's QB kindergarten and is failing miserably. His "natural abilities" aren't going to take him far if he doesn't learn how to pass at a basic level. Calgary had Simpson spying him and sealing the edge behind the end if Marve did try to leave the pocket. Calgary's ends also never came on inside moves, they stayed in pretty clearly defined wide rush lanes to not give him any opportunity to rollout or scramble. Marve is going to have a hell of a time leaving the pocket if he doesn't make teams respect his arm to at least a basic level.

You're 100% right - Henry Burris was brought into the league by the Sk Riders. No he wasn't. Burris was behind Garcia and Dickenson in Calgary in the late 90s, he got a couple starts filling in for injured Dickenson with the Stamps. Signed with the Riders for 2000 Went to the NFL after that season, his CFL option year, came back in 03 with the Riders. Was their starter in 04, how can you forget the Western Final that got McCallum's lawn fertilized? Spurned the Riders for Calgary as a free agent in 05.

Here's an open question to anyone. What playcalls aren't garbage when your quarterback literally cannot make a throw? Keeping in mind that the defense is sitting in short zones to stop screens, quick game and the run. You have 2 downs to get 10 yards. Oh ya, on every play 2 of your offensive linemen are going to get absolutely obliterated at the line of scrimmage. GO!

If Willy doesn't have a miracle recovery and make it back before October the season is done regardless of who is calling the plays.

Sure, let him run around like a chicken with its head cut off. That's a plan. Has everyone lost the ability to read and think tonight? Have you been sipping do or die's gin? How about swing passes, screens, shovels, a reverse There are other ways to get the ball in the running backs hands other than a draw up the gut Our back should have 30 touches runs/pass to back off the Calgary d The game plan was pure **** and set up to fail I saw all of those last night. Pretty hard for those to be effective when the defense can just sit and wait within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage because everyone in the stadium knows the QB can't make a throw. Doubly hard for that QB who's already struggling when the defense can get pressure easily with 3-4 rushers, leaving 8-9 in coverage/to spy Marve. Denmark and Moore got some nice gains on first down on bubble screens and hitch screens allowing the feeble OL to lead us to some first downs on 2nd and 2 and 3's. They used split backs and misdirection runs to Thomas but Marve's footwork was awful so it took way too long to develop and the contain guy had all day to read it. There's nothing you can call that will make a QB playing as bad as Marve did even passable. They literally should have just given up and started running option. That might have gotten them one drive before Calgary adjusted.

I believe that if you traded coaching staffs in this game the result would have been exactly the same. Our offensive line and Marve were that inept. And I'm not blaming Marve, he's in an extremely crappy situation having to play when he is clearly not ready. Whether he will ever be ready and have the skills to play in this league is the issue. It's too bad we'll spend a significant portion of this season finding that out. BLM was the difference in this game. Calgary couldn't run the ball, whenever they tried they took a bunch of penalties. BLM got smacked a ton, but knows how to play the game and can make some throws. Marve is the complete opposite right now.

One of the first things that Walters did upon becoming GM was to give himself a pay cut and put the money saved into the scouting operations. That impressed the hell out of me. Mack was paid as VP and GM. Walters is just GM. So he would have got a pay cut either way. You realize that those are just titles, right? Walters is the head football guy, same as Mack was. Both answered to the President/CEO and appear to have the same responsibilities except for the fact that Walters appears to have more subordinates. So yea, he probably could have asked for and received the same pay as Mack. Doubt it. They'd have to be pretty stupid to pay someone with about 2 years of relevant experience the same as someone with 30. What would you pay him if he had success and eventually had to re-sign?

I don't have the optimism to believe that keeping Willy healthy under Marcel's protection scheme is a sustainable plan for the future. Marve was juking and jiving to avoid being tackled in the "death pocket", without that mobility he would have been sacked at least 4 more times. IT must be something with the pass protection schemes. All that money and changeover to the offensive line and it 's still as bad as ever. They spent money on a centre who's been brutal for years and a left tackle. Chungh is a rookie. Expectations were ridiculous.

I'm not sure what plays you call to counteract a quarterback who is turning into a statue when looking downfield and not getting the ball out. Even worse with our OL that continually gets flat out beat up physically. Triple option right? Can't run left. Can't call any pass play that rolls right now because that's being spied and shut down by the defense. The option is about all Marve can run with how he was playing tonight. His accuracy beyond 5 yards is horrendous, both starts. His deep balls are just chucked, probably the worst I've seen since Kevin Mason back in the Reinebold days. I'm not sure how coaches get blamed for this. Walters, Goveia, McManus should be getting most of the blame. This roster has no depth, particularly at import positions which should be relatively easy to fill quickly. The backup quarterback depth is a joke. If Marve has another game like this they've got to move on to the next guy. Not worth wasting reps on a player who lacks the basic skills required from the position. I don't care how well he can run, if he can't set his feet and make a basic throw he's never going to be effective. He's too easy to defend if he's one dimensional.