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Just like in the Brohm thread how people label them as haters? Unless people fart rainbows they hatin' It's a football board. Becomes pretty crappy when it's a soap opera between posters and basically no football. Being critical and having opinions is the point, but it would be nice if we could stick to football and avoid the soap opera garbage, like labeling and trying very hard to play the role to get the label/reaction, for example.

See, thats the thing. You know it's a penalty so you shouldn't go ahead and do it. It's like going 20 KM over the speed limit then getting shocked you got a speeding ticket. While I agree with you in theory, there's no reason to throw the flag either. Talking or miming doesn't really amount to much and it's certainly not going to protect the players. A bench penalty for yapping almost cost Calgary a win in week 1. Dumb thing to do... sure, but it should never be a game changer. BLM got a penalty for calling for a penalty that was called a penalty. Changed the ball placement from the 1 to the 10(?) which could have changed the outcome. Well, they've declared zero tolerance on certain actions and words. They'd look awfully stupid if they didn't enforce it, about as stupid as the guys still performing/saying the things that they've been told (second season for some of these things) there's zero tolerance on. Coaches need to exert some control on their players and sidelines too.

Here's to hoping this place doesn't dip like OurBombers and become filled with crappy threads like this and very little football talk. Trend is not positive in that regard.

Everyone is playing zone so far this year in their base defense. It's pretty much impossible to play the man/match coverages when you can't run receivers into "checkpoints" downfield and toss them off their routes without it being called a penalty. The Bombers problem is in their front.

My point is you cannot expect that on a regular basis especially with all the penalties being called on passing plays (not necessarily pass interference by the way) which artificially decreases the number of real passing plays in a game. Also, as I stated in my previous quote, you will only see a 50-50 split if the opposing defense and coordinator are incapable or incompetent in stopping the run. This was the case with Saskatchewan last week. So when the Bombers have a 60-40 or 65-35 split in favor of the passing game for the majority of their games this season, don't start crying about them not running enough. A team normally cannot run on first down every time as it's entirely to predictable nor can they run on second and long as it's a low percentage play for a first down. This necessitates a stronger emphasis on the passing game. Add in the fact that we have a QB who is one of the weakest scramblers in the league and you should probably not expect to see more than 20 - 22 runs in a game. It does make a difference if your leading rusher is averaging 7-8 yds. per carry. He won't if you run every first down.

The way Cato played is the way I'd like to see Marve play, really the way a "mobile" QB needs to play. Get on the move when you can, but be composed in the pocket and make throws from the pocket when you need to. Cato could zip the ball around the field from the pocket because his lower body was not busy, his feet were set and toward his target most of the time. This is the biggest problem Marve still had in the pre-season, causing inaccurate throws. Still a lot of luck for Cato in that game IMO, and who knows if he can keep that up as teams force him to sit in the pocket, an experience guy like Collaros struggles when teams do that effectively to him. Too early to move Cato out of the Rocky Butler category.

Teach the receivers, linemen and blitzers how to stay onside and you'll cut that number by 1/3. If anything the officials are being lenient on IC/PI and UR calls to this point. I haven't watched every CFL game attentively, but I've only seen this called 3 times myself. Also haven't seen the illegal contact called more than it has been in the past other than on Saskatchewan in our first game.

If you're leading with your head it isn't a form tackle. If he wrapped up around his head, I'd hate to see it called, but he led with his helmet and that needs to be penalized (both to discourage idiots from leading with their helmets for their own protection and for the players they are hitting with their helmets) and probably answered on the Bombers end. Just a quick question, and I ask this because when I look at an A&P book the head is normally at the top of the body: If you are aiming to hit your opponent in the midsection/hips area and you are running at full speed, how can you not lead with your head? Your body isn't static heading into a tackle. Google form tackling. A tackle is a stick and a wrap, not launching your helmet into somebody. Upper body should make first contact and the rest follows through with the arms wrapping. Head should be back and turned. Obviously there will be contact with helmets but it shouldn't be the first and/or only point of contact. It's probably more dangerous for the tackler who launches head first, see Shea Emry and the scrambled eggs he has in his cranium. Interesting. Thanks for that info. On a related note, I just watched the replay in stop action and it appears to me that the Hamilton player does not leave his feet until contact. So I think that saying "he launched himself" is a bit inaccurate. It really does appear that this was simply a matter of two players moving in just the right directions and at just the right moment that their heads collided. I get that people are ticked, but I really can't fault the TigerCat. Just plain old bad luck. Lord knows, we should be good at dealing with that. If you're leading with your helmet and leaving your feet at any point in the hit you're launching yourself into someone and using your helmet as a weapon. Timing of when you leave your feet is fairly irrelevant.

This is a personnel issue IMO. Second straight year that Walters and the scouts whiffed on LB's and DL's. Our only DL getting upfield consistently in the pass rush is Gibson. Westerman can't beat anyone 1 on 1. You could point to finer details and say it's been awhile for him both playing and playing Canadian rules, but the lack of ability to even compete 1 on 1 is extremely troubling. Sadly I think my worst fear when we signed him is coming true, he's a 20-25 snap a game guy, not a guy who can play the majority of the game. Bass is getting torched and everyone has the film so that will continue until he figures out how to play his position and force plays into the middle of the field while he works his way to the ball. Blitzing has been useless, not even forcing the opposing QB to change his launch point and has often left our secondary out to dry. Firing the coordinator would make no sense.

If you're leading with your head it isn't a form tackle. If he wrapped up around his head, I'd hate to see it called, but he led with his helmet and that needs to be penalized (both to discourage idiots from leading with their helmets for their own protection and for the players they are hitting with their helmets) and probably answered on the Bombers end. Just a quick question, and I ask this because when I look at an A&P book the head is normally at the top of the body: If you are aiming to hit your opponent in the midsection/hips area and you are running at full speed, how can you not lead with your head? Your body isn't static heading into a tackle. Google form tackling. A tackle is a stick and a wrap, not launching your helmet into somebody. Upper body should make first contact and the rest follows through with the arms wrapping. Head should be back and turned. Obviously there will be contact with helmets but it shouldn't be the first and/or only point of contact. It's probably more dangerous for the tackler who launches head first, see Shea Emry and the scrambled eggs he has in his cranium.

If you're leading with your head it isn't a form tackle. If he wrapped up around his head, I'd hate to see it called, but he led with his helmet and that needs to be penalized (both to discourage idiots from leading with their helmets for their own protection and for the players they are hitting with their helmets) and probably answered on the Bombers end.

Saying he's got the most "innate talent" since Clements and Dunigan would suggest that he's more talented than every QB since, would it not?

I have a lot of respect for your football knowledge. That being said, I have been watching CFL football for 40 years or so. Brohm is awful. Marve has more innate talent then i've seen in any quarterback in the CFL since Tom Clements or Matt Dunigan. He was born to play in this league. If the Winnipeg coaches can't see that, it will cost them their jobs. That's insane hyperbole. You think Marve has more talent than a guy like Collaros? Marve has shown very little to get excited about as a quarterback at this point is his career, even going back to NCAA. He's always been a guy with tools but no toolbox, and that's where I'd still put him based on what we saw in pre-season. If a QB can't stand and deliver at even a basic level of consistency, he has no chance to beat a pro defense or even a high level NCAA one. There's a difference between guys like Collaros who improvise at times but stay on time in terms of reads and progressions the majority of the time and a guy like Marve who takes one look downfield and panics, either "scrambles" or tosses a ball with his lower body in constant motion killing his accuracy regardless of how big his arm is. Marve is still very far away from being an effective CFL QB, the tools are there, I'll agree with that, but that's about 1/3 of what a good QB needs. Marve would have got killed tonight. There's a difference between running ability and mobility in the pocket, and that difference is an intelligence Marve doesn't have yet. Would have been more exciting for sure, but running away from your blocks when 6-7 guys are coming consistently is not effective.

Brohm is the best backup QB we've had since Pat Barnes. The irrational love affair with Marve is just silly. Just look at what happened when he had a chance to pass, granted it's one play, but it's an option read pass play and he was so indecisive between deciding to run or pass that he just about handed the Tabbies 2 free points. Marve is not ready to play and everyone has the book on him. Just look at how Hamilton played him at the end of the pre-season game, fill the gaps with a delayed rush and make him use his brain and his arm. Marve will be the next guy under the bus if he gets a shot. He's got potential, but if we're looking at him to play this season we are screwed and so is he. Brohm gives us a chance to win, and it was good to see him pull the team out of the stunned stagger it was in after Willy went out. Bellefeuille called a real shitty game both protection wise and in terms of attacking the blitz. No screens in behind the blitz, no draws, only a few flat footed screens to wide receivers in the 2nd half. Really poor gameplan and basically no adjustments until halftime. Should not take that long to make those adjustments in protection, even if it is to go into max protect and leave 7 blockers in. Only took our QB getting killed and Brohm getting rocked about 3 times before the end of the 1st half to make that adjustment. I didn't think Brohm would survive that half either. Would be nice if Picard could make a block when he gets isolated too, but it's been 9 years and he still can't manage that. Cotton is a hell of a player, but featuring him in the downfield passing game is clearly going to lead to turnovers. Sask dropped a gimme INT on a downfield pass to him in Regina, and Stewart got a touchdown off one today that Cotton barely even waved at. Bellefeuille needs to do better than what he did tonight.

I think it'll be Morgan. Lots of his body type on the roster, and they used Cronk quite a bit on offense as a tight end.

Gibson or Johnson. Why would they dress an extra non-import? They need to sit one import and one NI for the 44.

Veltung, Marshall, Shell and one of the DL. Tyler and a NI will sit, probably Brown or Morgan. Both the DL - 8 Canadians means 5 backup Americans One wouldn't be a DI though and could sub in with no restrictions. I'm guessing one of Gibson or D Johnson are it, and I'm guessing the Bombers are only declaring 2 NI starters on D. Wouldn't see an upside to using that extra Canadian, backup American without DI restrictions on offense with Veltung or Marshall.

To me Hurl looked lost .... continously in the wrong place That's how Bass looked to me, continuously letting the ball get past his outside shoulder on the stretch plays to the weak-side for Allen and Messam. They weren't running at Hurl, and when they did the runs went nowhere. They really attacked the weak-side, Anderson, Westerman, Bass for the most part.

Veltung, Marshall, Shell and one of the DL. Tyler and a NI will sit, probably Brown or Morgan.

I agree on Bass. In watching the game again, that's the guy the Riders were really attacking, and Bass did a horrible job of gap control on the stretch/read plays, letting all those runs get outside away from where he has help. Bass is obviously learning to play the width of the field, but he better learn fast or he should be off the field. Hurl was not that bad, he didn't really have a chance to make a lot of plays because of how easy it was to get to the sideline on the weak-side of our defense. The big passing plays were both huge busts off of blitzes that were totally ineffective. Hard to blame the guys in coverage on those, if you're sending 6 or more at the QB and can't even make him change his launch point the guys blitzing have not done their job.

I don't believe we should overrate Bass and toss a guy like Randle under the bus based on what we've seen. Randle is playing a coverage position. Other than one cover zero blitz where our safety and MLB did not do anything to disrupt Durant, Randle had a clean game. The Riders run game primarily attacked the weak-side of our defense with stretch plays, and Bass didn't really stand up to it. The DL also had a lot of trouble holding their gaps which shift on those stretch plays. Once the Riders started trying to run between the tackles, the run game fizzled out.

On Demski's run too, gave him about 20 extra yards.

The Bombers scored a TD on the drive resulting from the called back return, so no impact on the score.

Anderson got destroyed by a down block on the huge run off a stretch play by Messam. If he gets in his gap on that stretch play that run can't happen. That's the kind of stuff that was happening all night. He got close to Glenn once and forced a bad throw, but had a really bad night overall.

The injured Canadians will absolutely gut them. They have no replacements.