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Owens being very careless with the ball again. Gift wrapped an INT and then fumbles.

Should a replay official be allowed to rule something a touchdown if they don't actually see the ball cross the line, but they guess it did? It seems weird to let the replay official guess at the real outcome of a play if it's uncertain. If replay is uncertain, I want them to just go with the call on the field and move on. No, but IMO the standard is too high for the replay official to actually make the right call. Replay is useless for the most part. I don't want the officials on the field guessing either.

No an offense losing the game is when a qb tosses a couple dumb ints like Cato did. The offense was fine, the Montreal D is good. Now the Bombers D on the other hand, that damn near lost them the game if not for a pick 6 and the blocked kick TD. I didn't think that Bellefeuille called the best game last night and his game planning (from week to week) is inconsistent at best but I will say that the offense didn't do anything to lose us the game. They took what was given to them and didn't back down when things got physical .. guys responded when they got "punched in the mouth" so to speak. The offense still has a long way to go. To me, it's not going to be able to play consistently like they did in Regina until that interior OL gets fixed. How many times did Cotton have to fight through contact just to get back to the LOS? That's ridiculous. We know what guys like Willy and Cotton can do when that interior OL plays well, but when they struggle plays are over before they even really begin. It's nice to win games, but clearly not sustainable at 400+ yards against and an offense that can't protect/control the inside gaps. Hopefully we're one of the teams that gets better this year instead of falling off the map after Labour Day. Noeller and I have talked about this a lot, when was the last time this team had a better fall than they did summer? Too often it's been a better summer and then falling apart at the end of the season. Would kill to see the team be one of the hottest teams in the league down the stretch for a change. 2008 and 2009.

My point was that even though it didn't cost us the game it could have. I just wanted other peoples opinions as to whether or not they felt it was in and what other options they can do to get the call right if they were wrong. Even if this wasn't a Bomber game I would have brought it up. Its just odd they didn't say they were reviewing it (even though they usually do) and seemingly just went to the pt after. Maybe they had a perfect camera view we didn't see and it was a quick review. Maybe they just said F it and gave them the TD to move the game along as they just finished burning 20min back and fourth with penalties I'm just pointing out the one angle that we are able to see and even with the skewed camera angle it doesn't look in. Don't get me wrong I'm happy with the outcome and hate to be bringing it up. But would a stationary camera on the goal line help in these situations? I didn't think it was a quick review. There was definitely a break in the action then. The ref saying "the play is under review" is redundant anyways, all turnovers and all scoring plays are reviewed. Some refs make that announcement when the review is not an obvious rubber stamp situation, but it was never necessary to mention it. It only benefited people who don't know the rules anyways. Speaking of things refs do, I don't remember a single time they brought the chains onto the field for a measurement. I know they're trying to speed things up, but there was at least one spot that I thought deserved the chain gang - they just eyeballed it. I hate this too. Could be very impactful on the outcome of a game. Often bringing out the chains helps them get the spot right when they are moving the ball to the hashmark from where the play ended, and that is huge in a game of inches.

Watching that play live and now on replay a few times, the one thing I can guarantee is that the side judge had no idea where the ball was. Sutton was walking into the endzone and the official anticipated it, not that Randle would fly in and drill him out of bounds. I haven't seen an angle where I thought the ball was anywhere near the goal-line. Sutton's right side ends up turned away from the goal-line parallel to it. The purpose of replay should just be to get the call right. Forget the irrefutable evidence crap. Given how often the officials are wrong or flat out lazy in terms of being in position to make the right call, why does their call count for more than the replay official?

No an offense losing the game is when a qb tosses a couple dumb ints like Cato did. The offense was fine, the Montreal D is good. Now the Bombers D on the other hand, that damn near lost them the game if not for a pick 6 and the blocked kick TD. I didn't think that Bellefeuille called the best game last night and his game planning (from week to week) is inconsistent at best but I will say that the offense didn't do anything to lose us the game. They took what was given to them and didn't back down when things got physical .. guys responded when they got "punched in the mouth" so to speak. The offense still has a long way to go. To me, it's not going to be able to play consistently like they did in Regina until that interior OL gets fixed. How many times did Cotton have to fight through contact just to get back to the LOS? That's ridiculous. We know what guys like Willy and Cotton can do when that interior OL plays well, but when they struggle plays are over before they even really begin. It's nice to win games, but clearly not sustainable at 400+ yards against and an offense that can't protect/control the inside gaps. Hopefully we're one of the teams that gets better this year instead of falling off the map after Labour Day.

twice Willy was sacked when the Bombers were in FG range and both times the sacks took them out of FG range. Willy has to get rid of the ball in those cases, those sacks cost us an easy six points. The more I see of Willy the less I am sold on him. He can't read a blitz and his release is so dam slow. I'm more worried about Picard making the line calls. After 3 games I see no upside to having him in there, the amount of guys coming through the inside gaps untouched is embarrassing. Picard can't block anybody so if he can't at least get the protections right he's doing nothing for us that Goossen couldn't do. I don't fault Willy for not throwing a pass when he can't even get his eyes upfield before he's being tackled. Rather take the loss of yards than have the ball going back the other way, even if it takes us out of FG range. It's way too easy to just blame Picard. It may be as simple as the center identifying the middle linebacker so the entire line knows that player must be included as part of their pass protection, or it can be as complex as changing the entire blocking scheme on one side of the line at the point of attack. In any case all the other players need to be smart enough to pick up and execute the new blocking assignments. What I have been seeing is confusion across the line and in the backfield with the both the QB and RB in terms of identifying where the pressure is coming from and either have the RB step up or the QB roll away from it. Picard is the guy calling the OL protections, and those inside gaps which are generally giving them the most problems are the responsibility of the interior OL. I can guarantee you they aren't drawing up protections where the interior OL chase after a blitzing LB and let a DT run free through an inside gap for Paris Cotton or Feoli-Gudino to block. That's a major breakdown and a mistake in Picard's call. My assumption is that Picard is making too many assumptions in terms of setting the strength of the defense at the line of scrimmage when they are stacking rushers and lining up 6 or 7 across the line. In those cases they need to stay in a base protection and block from the inside out, the extra blockers taking outside gaps/extra rushers who come through the outside gaps if they send extra (not DT's). Greaves and Picard are a major achilles heel for our offence. Will be interesting to see if Neufeld gets a shot at left guard when he's healthy, Greaves has been that bad pass and run blocking. Greaves being terrible has nothing to do with Picard calling out the protections for the front 4 and MLB'er. If they are sending more than 5 then it is up to the QB to recognize it and get rid of the ball quickly or roll away from the pressure. Willy is responsible to read the extra guys, and he did a good job of that on Friday. Untouched DT's is horrendous OL play, basically anyone coming through an inside gap untouched right off the snap is bad OL play. That's where the pressure was coming from against Hamilton and Montreal. They need to simplify until they get the basics right to a point where teams are worried more about their coverage than how they can kill our OL by blitzing. Personally I still don't believe they have the players to get to that point this season.

I don't fault Willy for not throwing a pass when he can't even get his eyes upfield before he's being tackled. Rather take the loss of yards than have the ball going back the other way, even if it takes us out of FG range. Yea I dunno if it just takes a bit for Picard to gell with Chungh and Greaves but the interior is getting mauled. I'm impressed that willy hasn't been sacked more already, tbh. Picard getting flagged for holding might become even more common place then before.. Willy has to make a permanent habit of getting the ball away quickly, I believe that's the only way he is going to remain healthy. He needs to sit down and study film on Ricky Ray and Kevin Glenn and transform his QB skills to match the reality of the CFL game. It's not going to be the reality of the CFL game if everyone is playing zone coverage on every down.

twice Willy was sacked when the Bombers were in FG range and both times the sacks took them out of FG range. Willy has to get rid of the ball in those cases, those sacks cost us an easy six points. The more I see of Willy the less I am sold on him. He can't read a blitz and his release is so dam slow. I'm more worried about Picard making the line calls. After 3 games I see no upside to having him in there, the amount of guys coming through the inside gaps untouched is embarrassing. Picard can't block anybody so if he can't at least get the protections right he's doing nothing for us that Goossen couldn't do. I don't fault Willy for not throwing a pass when he can't even get his eyes upfield before he's being tackled. Rather take the loss of yards than have the ball going back the other way, even if it takes us out of FG range. It's way too easy to just blame Picard. It may be as simple as the center identifying the middle linebacker so the entire line knows that player must be included as part of their pass protection, or it can be as complex as changing the entire blocking scheme on one side of the line at the point of attack. In any case all the other players need to be smart enough to pick up and execute the new blocking assignments. What I have been seeing is confusion across the line and in the backfield with the both the QB and RB in terms of identifying where the pressure is coming from and either have the RB step up or the QB roll away from it. Picard is the guy calling the OL protections, and those inside gaps which are generally giving them the most problems are the responsibility of the interior OL. I can guarantee you they aren't drawing up protections where the interior OL chase after a blitzing LB and let a DT run free through an inside gap for Paris Cotton or Feoli-Gudino to block. That's a major breakdown and a mistake in Picard's call. My assumption is that Picard is making too many assumptions in terms of setting the strength of the defense at the line of scrimmage when they are stacking rushers and lining up 6 or 7 across the line. In those cases they need to stay in a base protection and block from the inside out, the extra blockers taking outside gaps/extra rushers who come through the outside gaps if they send extra (not DT's). Greaves and Picard are a major achilles heel for our offence. Will be interesting to see if Neufeld gets a shot at left guard when he's healthy, Greaves has been that bad pass and run blocking.

I wish they'd tell them to have more tolerance for "holding" when the ball is in the air on a punt. Focus more on the illegal blocks when the ball is being returned. They obviously are using discretion unless they are being outright negligent. They aren't calling the new procedure rule on the inside 5 guys on the punt team even though there were several punts where those guys released before the ball was kicked on Friday. Why can't they use that discretion on other penalties that have an extremely limited impact on the outcome of a play, like holding when the ball is in the air on a punt? There was a sequence of a half dozen punts where the umpire called that each time, and it was petty. The entire point of the rule changes as they explained them was to speed up the game and cut the time between plays. There are many simple tweaks they could do to help that.

twice Willy was sacked when the Bombers were in FG range and both times the sacks took them out of FG range. Willy has to get rid of the ball in those cases, those sacks cost us an easy six points. The more I see of Willy the less I am sold on him. He can't read a blitz and his release is so dam slow. I'm more worried about Picard making the line calls. After 3 games I see no upside to having him in there, the amount of guys coming through the inside gaps untouched is embarrassing. Picard can't block anybody so if he can't at least get the protections right he's doing nothing for us that Goossen couldn't do. I don't fault Willy for not throwing a pass when he can't even get his eyes upfield before he's being tackled. Rather take the loss of yards than have the ball going back the other way, even if it takes us out of FG range.

Is this to mean that you don't like the 4 guys on the DL right now or that you're upset that Walters hasn't replaced the three guys left over from Mack? Same with LBs are you not happy with the guys you have? It's a different defense than what they ran when LaPolice was in charge, more of a 4-2 front with a hybrid of Dime defense with Randle playing as a rover at times. I don't mean to single out just you 17to85 but would like to know what parts of the roster folks don't like here. You'd think it'd be happier around here with the Bombers holding down first place in the West, having a 1-0 record in the division and beat Saskatchewan once already this year. Plus you could still have this roster - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Winnipeg_Blue_Bombers_season#Roster It means the DL we have right now is not playing well, as a group and as individuals. Walters regime has not found a productive pass rusher in 2.5 seasons. Our interior guys are also struggling mightily through 3 games. They were running a 5-2 quite often last night and still getting gashed by the Alouettes run game. It was brutal. We were lucky that Montreal didn't stick with the run game, they could have 6 yards whenever they wanted. I guess you're analyzing this in terms of quantity, Mack vs Walters, still apples to oranges given how rosters change, but we're talking quality, what's actually happening on the field.

The media is the weak link, particularly the columnists. They get mad at any coach who doesn't nod and agree with the narrative they've built their column around before they even do the legwork, complete with a quote that fits just right. Same goes for the Jets. They are lazy as all hell. The Coaches Show with O'Shea is among the best we've had. If he gets a good question related to football, not bait for the soap opera, he'll give an honest and solid answer. Even after the cuts he was discussing what they saw in guys they kept, specifics and things they didn't see from guys who were cut. I enjoy listening to him on 1290 as well when he calls in for those interviews, they generally ask good questions.

How many times did Buck even have a concussion with the Bombers? He had multiple different injuries.

You're referring to Gibson or Johnson ? Gibson.

I don't get the point of this post. What does the composition of the current imports on the roster have to do with evaluating Mack's regime vs Walters' regime ability to find impactful imports? Given how quickly imports cycle through the league it's meaningless.

Not a fan of the DL changes. Taking out the only guy who's shown an ability to disrupt the QB, outside of a blitzing halfback, at all after 2 games is disappointing.

When was his "head wrecked" to begin with? If it was there's no chance in hell he would have been on the field at practice on Monday.

Beyond anything he tweets, writes or says, the fact that Friesen has the gall to tweet that he's uninterested and essentially negligent in doing his job (watching sports, watching the Bombers practice) just kind of sums up why I have zero respect for him.

I agree, but it would be very difficult to increase the number of young officials given the way football is scheduled in Manitoba. If you're playing football, it would be very difficult to also officiate it because basically all the games are on the weekend. They've started to get a little more creative with scheduling, but mostly due to lack of fields. I don't think there would be many teenagers who simply wish to officiate a sport and not play it. They should go hard at the guys playing majors (18-22) and push it as a way to make extra money.

About as good as they can do after the fact. IMO they should look at allowing the officials supervisor or the replay official in Toronto to buzz the head ref to make that call and other player safety/rough play calls if he misses it. Otherwise you're creating an atmosphere where all QB's are fair game.

After watching a bit of the hammy game and most of last night I have to agree with you... but it is only week 2... it literally takes half a season before we get a true grasp on every team in the CFLThe number of hot starts turning to crappy falls we've had recently, I'm more than happy to sit and wait for a team to play .500 ball as it grows together and starts to click around Labour Day. People really gotta chill. This site sucks after a loss....Are fans supposed to be happy after a blowout loss at home? Even when this loss is just all more of the same from this team? Just saying...this really is justified though. I really wish it wasn't. When you're 4-15 at home in a new stadium, I think it's fine to criticize. Seems the brass are not too worried about providing a quality product to their fans. Hard to be excited for home games when we're a joke at home. It's not the losses, it's the blowouts where it looks like the team gives up. This is incredibly irrelevant to today. What do you want them to do? Build a time machine and win some of those games? All they can do is work their asses off to win the next one. Bringing that up is meaningless to the team practicing today.

No offence, but that's up there with the 3 point convert among bad rule change ideas IMO. If anything the game needs to be simplified and less complicated to officiate.

Or Cato's game was a fluke. Guess we'll have to see if he threatens Calvillo's records. Cato was in Montreal's training camp so it was more like 5 weeks.

"I'd rather they force teams to go for 2 from the 5 than any other change they've made, but personally I'd just leave it how it always was and let the players decide the games, not the kickers." This whole chain of reasoning sounds frustrated and self contradictoryy Let me simplify: Creating more opportunities for kicking to influence the outcome of a game which is already heavily influenced by the kicking game is the opposite of exciting for me.