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This is probably the best constructed roster they've had all year so let's not complain about things like that too loudly.

Only took 18 games to get some DL depth on the roster.

*better

We're having a conversation? All you're doing is going "LOL old sports are bad"

Never mind that the only and I mean only reason flutie even had to come to the cfl in the first place was because he was "too short" to play in the NFL.

Not every Goalie is JS Giguere wearing mattresses for pads these days... there's a lot of **** goaltending in the nhl on a nightly basis right now. People are overly critical of the older Goalie because they see highlight reels of shitty goals, but you can watch highlight reels of shitty goals now too.

Oliviera should win MOP and MOC pretty easily IMO.

Swear to god if he doesn't play I am holding you personally responsible

I can show you some absolutely god awful goaltending in the current nhl right now.... seriously go have a look at the top point seasons in the NHL... it might open your eyes. It's all Gretzky and lemieux... and then it's a pretty cross generational snapshot. Not everyone was putting up those numbers, 2 guys were. I mean Gretzky as an old man with a crippled back in the height of the dead puck era was putting up over a ppg.... Mario unretired from cancer and clowned the rest od the league in the dead luck era. Has overall depth of talent improved across sports? Yup, has training ans nutrition and probably most importantly medical treatment for injuries improved? Again it sure has.... but the best talents are still the best talents and era doesn't change that. Drop a prime flutie into the cfl today he would still rip the league a new *******.

Nonsense, the reason you don't see guys getting 200 points is because Wayne Gretzky doesn't play hockey anymore, and neither does Mario Lemieux. Seriously, Look at what McDavid did a couple years ago... other than the aforementioned guys that's pretty much right up there with those guys in the 80s who only put up numbers cause everyone else was ****...

So I got a lot of thoughts about thar, however as I said, it's hard mode when your receivers are all gimped.

So how much of the execution problems in last years grey cup go back to dressing the ir receivers for the game? Playing on hard mode when half your guys can't run.

Not to mention the NFL was still stuck in the "qbs below 6'3 need not apply" mindset so qb talent was often overlooked by the NFL for stupid reasons. That doesn't happen anymore.

Completion percentage was way lower back in fluties time, and ints were generally higher too. That's going to skew qb rating stats in a big way as they seem to favour playing a "clean" game. But hey, someone wants to go ahead and say Chad Kelly is comparable to Flutie go ahead and fill your boots.

Montreal is gonna send pressure and try to get after collaros and force bad throws... that's what it comes down to. Bombers keep Zach upright and let him have time to throw it'll be fine. Faj will spin around and run around and who knows what else if he plays. If it's the rookie well... bombers been good this year keeping mobile qbs from being a problem.

The als are not the best there is, the best there was or the best there ever will be so go wash your mouth out with soap.

Opinions... I mean on his best days sure Kelly can be one of the top qbs in the league... the point though is being better than broken down old, blm and collaros or old average at best Harris or faj.... well that's a low ******* bar, especially when you invoke the name of Flutie... He'll what we see now in the cfl ain't even the days of calvillo and Ray and Burris and younger collaros and Harris...

Honestly I couldn't tell you what fluties win/loss record looked like... he is thr best to ever play up here because his impact on the field was ******* obvious. None of the qbs that have come through since have been anywhere near the player Flutie was.

2019 Nichols had a great record and then got hurt... and collaros split time with streveler in the playoffs and honestly the team probably doesn't get past the semi-final without streveler. Then in 2021 collaros was pretty awful in the grey cup... but happened to have good special teams and a top teir defense backing him... so the point is that the Bombers won as a team not because of collaros. In fact I've said for as long as anyone will listen that collaros being the best qb in the league the last few years is a damning indictment of the qb talent across the league. He is good, but he's not best in the league kind of good. When noodle armed morons like fajardo can be among the most consistent starters you know you have a qb talent crisis.

I was just going to respond the same... it's super easy for Montreal to brush off that last game... and the Bombers are a pissed off team after blowing a chance to clinch first and will want to send a message going into the playoffs and ensure the west final is in winnipeg. Toronto is to me the odds on pick to come out of the east. Rising at the correct time.

I'll settle for a 3 game win streak...

Collaros is not gonna retire. He wouldn't have signed the 3 year deal ifnhe wanted to bow out early, especially with the home grey cup. The only thing I could see making him think about it is some sort of major injury that is going to take too long to rehab.

You tell me...

Bombers record coming off a bye is pretty damned good last few years is it not? Throw in something to play for and I like their chances.